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| Ariadne... |
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On 11 Oct, 16:31, "The Todal" <deadmail... at (no spam) beeb.net> wrote:
Helping to curb Israel's self-defence. That's very ignoble. |
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| Francis Burton... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 1:37 pm |
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In article <lrKIUavEze0KFw0K at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk>,
Robert Henderson <philip at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
As a matter of interest, Robert, who do you think ought to have
won the Peace Prize?
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| Blue... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:09 pm |
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The Todal wrote:
Quote: Obama richly deserved to be given the Nobel Peace Prize.
Nonsense, the nominations closed a few days after his inauguration.
It was probably sent off before he was inaugurated.
So he got the Peace Prize for doing what, applying for a Job without killing anyone ? |
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| Robert Henderson... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:32 pm |
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In message <1255289833.432629 at (no spam) irys.nyx.net>, Francis Burton
<fburton at (no spam) nyx.net> writes
Quote: 09/10/2009
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0070jd4
There's a surprise. I was the first caller of the night as well. RH
As a matter of interest, Robert, who do you think ought to have won the
Peace Prize?
No one. It is an absurd concept. RH
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Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
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| The Todal... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:15 am |
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"Farmer Giles" <Giles at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote in message
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"The Todal" <deadmailbox at (no spam) beeb.net> wrote in message
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In message <7je2nqF3503ihU1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net>, Blue <blue at (no spam) there.com
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They must have cut you out.
09/10/2009
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0070jd4
There's a surprise. I was the first caller of the night as well. RH
They didn't cut you out, Robert - well not entirely anyway. You come on
just after 10 minutes into the programme.
It is clear, though, from your comments, and what is actually broadcast
on iplayer, that they have severely edited your contribution. But what
do you expect from the BBC - honesty and free speech!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00n2vv7
"Risen without any talent or achievement" was Robert's description of
Obama. I greatly admire the American lady, Bonny, for keeping her cool
despite Robert's ignorance and stupidity. I don't think he deserved a
second more of airtime, and I find it surprising that he should bring
this rather humiliating exchange to our attention.
The Nobel citation is at
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html
It makes good sense, unless you measure contribution towards peace only
in terms of how many troops are withdrawn from a conflict.
Or you measure it on the basis of something actually achieved!
Perhaps you could tell us precisely what he has actually achieved -
particularly in the *preceding* year?
All we've heard so far is rhetoric and platitudes. If that is to be the
criteria, then every politician in the world should get a prize!
The citation made it pretty clear that he was given the award on the basis
of his "vision" which must presumably include all the policy statements he
has made.
It makes more sense than giving the peace prize to Kissinger, shortly after
he had increased the ferocity of the bombing in Vietnam. |
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| Farmer Giles... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:34 am |
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"The Todal" <deadmailbox at (no spam) beeb.net> wrote in message
news:7jg6sfF35bbmdU1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net...
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"Farmer Giles" <Giles at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote in message
news:FvGdnQOcza_mhU_XnZ2dnUVZ8lidnZ2d at (no spam) brightview.com...
"The Todal" <deadmailbox at (no spam) beeb.net> wrote in message
news:7jei2bF35cfv9U1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net...
"Farmer Giles" <Giles at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote in message
news:QK6dndGURIBekE_XnZ2dnUVZ8kWdnZ2d at (no spam) brightview.com...
"Robert Henderson" <philip at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:lrKIUavEze0KFw0K at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk...
In message <7je2nqF3503ihU1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net>, Blue <blue at (no spam) there.com
writes
They must have cut you out.
09/10/2009
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0070jd4
There's a surprise. I was the first caller of the night as well. RH
They didn't cut you out, Robert - well not entirely anyway. You come on
just after 10 minutes into the programme.
It is clear, though, from your comments, and what is actually broadcast
on iplayer, that they have severely edited your contribution. But what
do you expect from the BBC - honesty and free speech!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00n2vv7
"Risen without any talent or achievement" was Robert's description of
Obama. I greatly admire the American lady, Bonny, for keeping her cool
despite Robert's ignorance and stupidity. I don't think he deserved a
second more of airtime, and I find it surprising that he should bring
this rather humiliating exchange to our attention.
The Nobel citation is at
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html
It makes good sense, unless you measure contribution towards peace only
in terms of how many troops are withdrawn from a conflict.
Or you measure it on the basis of something actually achieved!
Perhaps you could tell us precisely what he has actually achieved -
particularly in the *preceding* year?
All we've heard so far is rhetoric and platitudes. If that is to be the
criteria, then every politician in the world should get a prize!
The citation made it pretty clear that he was given the award on the basis
of his "vision" which must presumably include all the policy statements
he has made.
Oh, I see, so you can't tell us of anything that he's actually achieved?
And these 'policy statements', what position was he in to make any policy in
the 'preceding year'?
Quote:
It makes more sense than giving the peace prize to Kissinger, shortly
after he had increased the ferocity of the bombing in Vietnam.
Little more, but doesn't it tell you something of the absurdity of it all? |
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| Blue... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:35 am |
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The Todal wrote:
Quote: The citation made it pretty clear that he was given the award on the basis
of his "vision"
ALL Western politicians espouse peace, claim a vision. How many walk round
ranting they want to bomb the world? Give it to Nick Clegg, he won't do anything. |
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| Francis Burton... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 2:36 am |
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In article <rHmLf5I1Fr0KFwmH at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk>,
Robert Henderson <philip at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: As a matter of interest, Robert, who do you think ought to have won the
Peace Prize?
No one. It is an absurd concept. RH
Then why the fuss about nothing?
Francis |
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| IanAl... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 4:33 am |
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On Mon, 12 Oct 2009 05:32:53 +0100, Robert Henderson
<philip at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: In message <1255289833.432629 at (no spam) irys.nyx.net>, Francis Burton
fburton at (no spam) nyx.net> writes
09/10/2009
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0070jd4
There's a surprise. I was the first caller of the night as well. RH
As a matter of interest, Robert, who do you think ought to have won the
Peace Prize?
No one. It is an absurd concept. RH
I don't see why it should be an absurd *concept*, just one hard to
realise in practice due to the lack of suitable candidates.
Perhaps the Nobel committee should leave it uncollected for a few
years, to make the point. If they 'rolled over' the money there might
even be a bit of incentive to politicians lol. |
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| The Todal... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:29 am |
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"Farmer Giles" <Giles at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote in message
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"The Todal" <deadmailbox at (no spam) beeb.net> wrote in message
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"Farmer Giles" <Giles at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote in message
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"The Todal" <deadmailbox at (no spam) beeb.net> wrote in message
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"Farmer Giles" <Giles at (no spam) nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Robert Henderson" <philip at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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In message <7je2nqF3503ihU1 at (no spam) mid.individual.net>, Blue
blue at (no spam) there.com> writes
They must have cut you out.
09/10/2009
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b0070jd4
There's a surprise. I was the first caller of the night as well. RH
They didn't cut you out, Robert - well not entirely anyway. You come
on just after 10 minutes into the programme.
It is clear, though, from your comments, and what is actually
broadcast on iplayer, that they have severely edited your
contribution. But what do you expect from the BBC - honesty and free
speech!
http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/b00n2vv7
"Risen without any talent or achievement" was Robert's description of
Obama. I greatly admire the American lady, Bonny, for keeping her cool
despite Robert's ignorance and stupidity. I don't think he deserved a
second more of airtime, and I find it surprising that he should bring
this rather humiliating exchange to our attention.
The Nobel citation is at
http://nobelprize.org/nobel_prizes/peace/laureates/2009/press.html
It makes good sense, unless you measure contribution towards peace only
in terms of how many troops are withdrawn from a conflict.
Or you measure it on the basis of something actually achieved!
Perhaps you could tell us precisely what he has actually achieved -
particularly in the *preceding* year?
All we've heard so far is rhetoric and platitudes. If that is to be the
criteria, then every politician in the world should get a prize!
The citation made it pretty clear that he was given the award on the
basis of his "vision" which must presumably include all the policy
statements he has made.
Oh, I see, so you can't tell us of anything that he's actually achieved?
And these 'policy statements', what position was he in to make any policy
in the 'preceding year'?
It makes more sense than giving the peace prize to Kissinger, shortly
after he had increased the ferocity of the bombing in Vietnam.
Little more, but doesn't it tell you something of the absurdity of it all?
There is, in truth, no way of measuring one person's contribution to peace
against another person's.
There are plenty of people who give speeches about peace. Bruce Kent, George
Galloway, any number of people who are involved in pressure groups aimed at
getting troops out or achieving disarmament. And it would be pointless to
give awards for that sort of campaigning. Anyone can do it. Ban the Bomb.
Hold marches, make speeches, print leaflets.
There are a very few people who have the power to influence world peace, and
they are at the very top. Presidents, prime ministers, foreign secretaries.
Very few to choose from because in the UK our leader and his cabinet members
are all warmongers, every last one of them. They are in favour of bombing
and shelling our enemies rather than negotiating, providing we are strong
enough to win.
Obama is the only world leader to repudiate that strategy, so either he
deserves the prize or nobody does. Ever. It would have to be abolished.
Instead, you could award the Nobel Prize for Fuckwit Warmongering, and there
would be plenty of worthy candidates for that sort of award. |
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| Robert Henderson... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:47 am |
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In message <1255336576.846705 at (no spam) irys.nyx.net>, Francis Burton
<fburton at (no spam) nyx.net> writes
Quote: In article <rHmLf5I1Fr0KFwmH at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk>,
Robert Henderson <philip at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
As a matter of interest, Robert, who do you think ought to have won the
Peace Prize?
No one. It is an absurd concept. RH
Then why the fuss about nothing?
Because it is treated seriously by many and because it is a prime
example of political correctness. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
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| Robert Henderson... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 6:48 am |
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In message <6b16d55hqtgv59s56nvbsg2uns5f957ehr at (no spam) 4ax.com>, IanAl
<me at (no spam) privacy.net> writes
Quote:
As a matter of interest, Robert, who do you think ought to have won the
Peace Prize?
No one. It is an absurd concept. RH
I don't see why it should be an absurd *concept*, just one hard to
realise in practice due to the lack of suitable candidates.
It is absurd because it will always be politically contentious. RH
Quote: Perhaps the Nobel committee should leave it uncollected for a few
years, to make the point. If they 'rolled over' the money there might
even be a bit of incentive to politicians lol.
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
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| Francis Burton... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:53 am |
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In article <sNUq9lF8Vy0KFw3q at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk>,
Robert Henderson <philip at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: As a matter of interest, Robert, who do you think ought to have won the
Peace Prize?
No one. It is an absurd concept. RH
Then why the fuss about nothing?
Because it is treated seriously by many and because it is a prime
example of political correctness. RH
Obviously you think it is harmful enough to be worth bothering
about. I'm not convinced it is. FWIW, I thought it an odd choice
of the Nobel committee because I had assumed the prize is awarded
for deeds done. Apparently that is not the case. That doesn't
disturb me unduly though - "it's just a game" after all. If it
encourages Obama to stick to his promises then I will be pleased.
However, I wouldn't be surprised if it turned out he was unable
to do so.
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| Francis Burton... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 11:55 am |
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In article <UNSkdIGkWy0KFwQh at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk>,
Robert Henderson <philip at (no spam) anywhere.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: No one. It is an absurd concept. RH
I don't see why it should be an absurd *concept*, just one hard to
realise in practice due to the lack of suitable candidates.
It is absurd because it will always be politically contentious. RH
One man's peacemaker is another man's warmonger, eh?
Francis |
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| Robert Henderson... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 12:39 pm |
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In message <1255370108.299994 at (no spam) irys.nyx.net>, Francis Burton
<fburton at (no spam) nyx.net> writes
Quote: ealise in practice due to the lack of suitable candidates.
It is absurd because it will always be politically contentious. RH
One man's peacemaker is another man's warmonger, eh?
Francis
Quite. RH
--
Robert Henderson
Blair Scandal website: http://www.geocities.com/ blairscandal/
Personal website: http://www.anywhere.demon.co.uk |
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