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| *Anarcissie*... |
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| James A. Donald... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:39 pm |
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
<anarcissie at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
Where is the leftist view of the Arafat peace prize?
No enemies to the left, no friends to the right. |
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| Joseph K.... |
| Posted: Sat Oct 10, 2009 10:42 pm |
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On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
<anarcissie at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
The 'Nobel' Peace Prize is a prize for policitians. The peace part is
euphemism. |
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| *Anarcissie*... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 3:27 pm |
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On Oct 11, 12:39 am, James A. Donald <jam... at (no spam) echeque.com> wrote:
Yet another travesty, but not a very recent one.
Doesn't beat Kissinger, though. I think that was
their high-water mark so far.
Quote: No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.
Arafat's a "leftist", is he? I thought he was dead,
which I would say puts him in the "moderate" or
"middle of the road" category. |
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| Phlip... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:23 pm |
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On Oct 10, 9:42 pm, Joseph K. <ni... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Were you aware when you wrote that of the back-story behind Alfred
Nobel and his wonderous invention? |
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| Michael Price... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:28 pm |
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On Oct 12, 12:27 pm, "*Anarcissie*" <anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 11, 12:39 am, James A. Donald <jam... at (no spam) echeque.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
Where is the leftist view of the Arafat peace prize?
Yet another travesty, but not a very recent one.
Doesn't beat Kissinger, though. I think that was
their high-water mark so far.
Nope, that was Woodrow Wilson, got his country into a world war.
Of course Kissinger deserves an honourable mention. Well a mention,
maybe "honourable" isn't the word I'm looking for.
Quote: No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.
Arafat's a "leftist", is he? I thought he was dead,
which I would say puts him in the "moderate" or
"middle of the road" category. |
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| Michael Price... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 5:43 pm |
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| Michael Price... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 6:18 pm |
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On Oct 12, 2:38 pm, "5213 Dead, 346 since 1/20/09"
<ze... at (no spam) finestplanet.com> wrote:
Quote: On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:28:58 -0700, Michael Price wrote:
On Oct 12, 12:27 pm, "*Anarcissie*" <anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:39 am, James A. Donald <jam... at (no spam) echeque.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/
item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
Where is the leftist view of the Arafat peace prize?
Yet another travesty, but not a very recent one. Doesn't beat
Kissinger, though. I think that was their high-water mark so far.
Nope, that was Woodrow Wilson, got his country into a world war.
Not exactly. The war was over by 1919. He got the prize for his work in
establishing the League of Nations.
Yeah, he still got his country into a world war. You'd think that
might disqualify
him. And of course the League was for peace what Elvis Presley was to
quantum
physics.
Quote:
Of course Kissinger deserves an honourable mention. Well a mention,
maybe "honourable" isn't the word I'm looking for.
No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.
Arafat's a "leftist", is he? I thought he was dead, which I would say
puts him in the "moderate" or "middle of the road" category. |
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| Mack A. Damia... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 7:49 pm |
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 18:27:20 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
<anarcissie at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 11, 12:39 am, James A. Donald <jam... at (no spam) echeque.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
Where is the leftist view of the Arafat peace prize?
Yet another travesty, but not a very recent one.
Doesn't beat Kissinger, though. I think that was
their high-water mark so far.
No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.
Arafat's a "leftist", is he? I thought he was dead,
which I would say puts him in the "moderate" or
"middle of the road" category.
If he's dead, then he's in the "under the road" category.
HTH.
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| James A. Donald... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:15 pm |
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James A. Donald:
Quote: Where is the leftist view of the Arafat peace prize?
"*Anarcissie*"
Quote: Yet another travesty, but not a very recent one.
At the time leftists were disinclined to complain, and
now they say it is too late to complain.
Quote: Doesn't beat Kissinger,
Kissinger made peace and surrendered his allies to his
enemies. What has Obama done?
Quote: No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.
Arafat's a "leftist", is he?
Back in the day, calling him a terrorist, etc, caused
one to be instantly identified as a racist, right
winger, etc.
The Nobel committee is notoriously apt to give peace
prizes to Jewish leaders whose peace offers are not all
that peaceable, but even though the final offer that
Peres and Rabin made really stank, it did not stink
anything like as badly as the final offer Arafat made,
so although the 1994 peace prize was bad all around, the
fact that Arafat was one of the beneficiaries was the
worst part of it. The Israelis were serious about
making peace, even though their offer was a bit tight
fisted. Arafat was not serious. Maybe if he had made
an offer that was a little bit reasonable, the Israelis
would have come up with a counter offer that was a bit
more generous. |
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| 5213 Dead, 346 since 1/20/09... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 9:38 pm |
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:28:58 -0700, Michael Price wrote:
Quote: On Oct 12, 12:27Â pm, "*Anarcissie*" <anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:39Â am, James A. Donald <jam... at (no spam) echeque.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/
item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
Where is the leftist view of the Arafat peace prize?
Yet another travesty, but not a very recent one. Doesn't beat
Kissinger, though. Â I think that was their high-water mark so far.
Nope, that was Woodrow Wilson, got his country into a world war.
Not exactly. The war was over by 1919. He got the prize for his work in
establishing the League of Nations.
Quote: Of course Kissinger deserves an honourable mention. Well a mention,
maybe "honourable" isn't the word I'm looking for.
No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.
Arafat's a "leftist", is he? Â I thought he was dead, which I would say
puts him in the "moderate" or "middle of the road" category. |
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| 5213 Dead, 346 since 1/20/09... |
| Posted: Sun Oct 11, 2009 10:30 pm |
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 21:18:02 -0700, Michael Price wrote:
Quote: On Oct 12, 2:38Â pm, "5213 Dead, 346 since 1/20/09"
ze... at (no spam) finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:28:58 -0700, Michael Price wrote:
On Oct 12, 12:27Â pm, "*Anarcissie*" <anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:39Â am, James A. Donald <jam... at (no spam) echeque.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/
item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
Where is the leftist view of the Arafat peace prize?
Yet another travesty, but not a very recent one. Doesn't beat
Kissinger, though. Â I think that was their high-water mark so far.
 Nope, that was Woodrow Wilson, got his country into a world war.
Not exactly. Â The war was over by 1919. Â He got the prize for his work
in establishing the League of Nations.
Yeah, he still got his country into a world war. You'd think that
might disqualify
him. And of course the League was for peace what Elvis Presley was to
quantum
physics.
Well, Americans like to crow that they came in and ended the war. And it
is true that the American soldiers who survived the flu and made it onto
the battlefield did do a top-notch job of stopping German bullets meant
for Tommies or the French.
And in 1919, the League of Nations still looked like a good idea.
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Of course Kissinger deserves an honourable mention. Â Well a mention,
maybe "honourable" isn't the word I'm looking for.
No enemies to the left, no friends to the right.
Arafat's a "leftist", is he? Â I thought he was dead, which I would
say puts him in the "moderate" or "middle of the road" category. |
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| Joseph K.... |
| Posted: Mon Oct 12, 2009 8:45 am |
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On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:23:36 -0700 (PDT), Phlip <phlip2005 at (no spam) gmail.com>
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Quote: On Oct 10, 9:42 pm, Joseph K. <ni... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
The 'Nobel' Peace Prize is a prize for policitians. The peace part is
euphemism.
Were you aware when you wrote that of the back-story behind Alfred
Nobel and his wonderous invention?
Of course. According to legend after reading an advanced obituary,
written too soon by mistake, he felt guilty about the thing that he
invented and made him rich so he created these prices for those whose
work benefited humanity significantly.
Btw, he created only four prizes, the real Nobel prizes, but statemen
felt that they too benefited humanity greatly so out of jealousy they
introduced two phony Nobel prizes especially designed for leaders of
the State ideology and praxis, the economy and peace prizes. |
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| *Anarcissie*... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 9:14 am |
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On Oct 12, 12:18 am, Michael Price <nini_... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Oct 12, 2:38 pm, "5213 Dead, 346 since 1/20/09"
ze... at (no spam) finestplanet.com> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Oct 2009 20:28:58 -0700, Michael Price wrote:
On Oct 12, 12:27 pm, "*Anarcissie*" <anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 11, 12:39 am, James A. Donald <jam... at (no spam) echeque.com> wrote:
On Sat, 10 Oct 2009 07:18:00 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
anarcis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
http://www.truthdig.com/cartoon/
item/20091009_obamas_nobel_peace_prize/
Where is the leftist view of the Arafat peace prize?
Yet another travesty, but not a very recent one. Doesn't beat
Kissinger, though. I think that was their high-water mark so far.
Nope, that was Woodrow Wilson, got his country into a world war.
Not exactly. The war was over by 1919. He got the prize for his work in
establishing the League of Nations.
Yeah, he still got his country into a world war. You'd think that
might disqualify
him. And of course the League was for peace what Elvis Presley was to
quantum
physics.
A general supranational body was a logic next step
for the development of capitalism, which had already
jumped national boundaries by the beginning of the
20th century. Capitalism needed a superstate.
Wilson wasn't the only person who saw this. In a
way, the League was a continuation of World War 1,
just as the United Nations was set up as a
continuation of World War 2, with the really powerful
allies running the show (permanent members of the
Security Council). What Wilson and company
didn't anticipate was the collapse of capitalism in
much of Europe, which Wilson, being a racist,
thought would be the guiding light of the world. |
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| Constantinople... |
| Posted: Tue Oct 13, 2009 4:05 pm |
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On Oct 13, 7:09 pm, "5219 Dead, 352 since 1/20/09"
<ze... at (no spam) finestplanet.com> wrote:
Quote: On Wed, 14 Oct 2009 08:40:05 +1000, James A. Donald
jam... at (no spam) echeque.com> wrote:
On Tue, 13 Oct 2009 12:14:10 -0700 (PDT), "*Anarcissie*"
A general supranational body was a logic next step
for the development of capitalism,
A supernational body is necessarily the enemy of capitalism, and the
people who advocated such a body were attempting to destroy capitalism
both at home and abroad.
But Jimmy...aren't multinational corporations supernational bodies?
No, because "supra" means transcending. A supranational body is one
which engulfs multiple nations - the nations are in a sense its parts
or members. Examples are the UN and the EU. We commonly talk about the
"member states" of the UN or EU. Multinational corporations merely
straddle multiple nations. The US is not a "member state" of Coca
Cola. If you have multiple citizenship and own property in multiple
nations, that makes you international in an obvious sense, but it does
not make you supranational.
See Wikipedia:
"Supranationalism is a method of decision-making in multi-national
political communities, wherein power is transferred to an authority
broader than governments of member states. Because decisions in some
supranational structures are taken by majority votes, it is possible
for a member-state in those unions to be forced by the other member-
states to implement a decision. Unlike in a federal supra-state,
member states retain nominal sovereignty, although some sovereignty is
shared with, or ceded to, the supranational body. Full sovereignty can
be reclaimed by withdrawing from the supranational arrangements. A
supranational authority, by definition, can have some independence
from member state governments, although not as much independence as
with federal governments. Supranational institutions, like federal
governments, imply the possibility of pursuing agendas in ways that
the delegating states did not initially envision."
This obviously applies to the EU and the UN. It obviously does not
apply to Coca Cola. |
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