Hey psycho Xangdi, just because abianchen exposed your racist act when
you pretended as a black guy using ID "Leroy B Jones" to harass black
people in November 2007 so you wanted revenge against abianchen for
the rest of your life? Get over it! Anyway, don't you think that's
hilarious when you got exposed, one netter said you got caught pants
down! Because of that, you abandoned your infamous ID "Chairman Mao
Says". That's also hilarious. Hehe!

Abianchen, a Filipino whore Meichi? No kidding! Hey, anyone believes
you and Rusty Old Fool’s lies? Haha!

On Oct 9, 3:19 pm, Anti-DabianchenVirus <wuso... at (no spam) rocketmail.com
wrote:



A word of warning about this poster calling herself "abianchen/
report2009". Here's proof that she is a Philippino whore:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/79344239ae34bf8e...

That she is a compulsive pathological liar:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/ca085dc133ad3cae

That she has openly admitted to using other people's IDs to flame and
insult posters on the internet:

http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/40b5974c6e730268...

On Oct 9, 11:23 am, "abianc... at (no spam) my-deja.com" <abianc... at (no spam) my-deja.com
wrote:

So what? Hitler was also one of “the most important persons” in world
history. He murdered 6 million Jews. Today, some clueless people still
worship Hitler like some clueless people still worship Mao.

Chen Yun, one of the top Chinese leaders in the 1980's, second top
leader to DXP said that it might have been best if Mao had died in
1956.

Before Mao died, China was one of the most poor nations in the world,
far behind India. Fortunately, DXP saved China, today's China is ahead
of India but still far behind my Taiwan (Republic of China), another
Chinese nation!!!

On Oct 9, 2:02 pm, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT), "abianc... at (no spam) my-deja.com"

abianc... at (no spam) my-deja.com> wrote:
Once again what? Chinese civil war ended in 1949 but Mao was restless
and brought senseless and brutal political movements like Great Leap
Forward that starved 9 million Chinese people to death in 1959 alone,
then, Cultural Revolution... students were against teachers, children
were against parents... What kind of society is that? Mao was a
MONSTER!!!

In 1979, DXP and his CCP simply abandoned Maoism and adopted market
economy. Finally China had peace and started to make progress. What a
waste for China for first 30 years!

In Taiwan, we did not have those crazy political movements, today, my
Taiwan has GDP per capita 5 times higher than China, we have invested
over USD 100 billion in China. We don’t spit. In China, people spit
everywhere. Now mainland Chinese tourists visited Taiwan and admired
us, they said this is what future China should be.

Those are all facts!!!

More Facts.

He is regarded as one of the most important figures in modern world
history.

He was named by Time Magazine as one of the 100 most influential
people of the 20th century.

He is credited with commanding the Long March and leading the
Communist Party of China (CPC) to victory against Chiang Kai-shek's
*corrupt* Kuomintang (KMT) in the Chinese Civil War, defeating an
assortment of powerful regional warlords, and later helping repel a
Japanese invasion.

He is officially held in high regard in China where he is known as a
great revolutionary, political strategist, military mastermind, and
savior of the nation. Many Chinese also believe that through his
policies, he laid the economic, technological and cultural foundations
of modern China, transforming the country from a backward agrarian
society into a major world power.

Mao is viewed by many in China as a poet, philosopher, and visionary.

His two most famous essays, both from 1937, 'On Contradiction' and 'On
Practice', are concerned with the practical strategies of a
revolutionary movement and stress the importance of practical,
grassroots knowledge, obtained through experience.

In 1944, the Americans sent a special diplomatic envoy, called the
Dixie Mission, to the Communist Party of China. According to Edwin
Moise, in Modern China: A History 2nd Edition:  Most of the Americans
were favorably impressed. The CPC seemed less corrupt, more unified,
and more vigorous in its resistance to Japan than the Kuomintang.
United States fliers shot down over North China...confirmed to their
superiors that the CPC was both strong and popular over a broad area.

Mao was regarded as the undisputed leader of China's working class in
their 100-year struggle against imperialism, feudalism and capitalism,
which were the three-evils in pre-1949 China since the Opium War. Even
today, many Chinese people regard Mao as a God-like figure, who led
the ailing China onto the path of an independent and powerful nation.

Mao also has a presence in China and around the world in popular
culture, where his face adorns everything from t-shirts to coffee
cups. Mao's granddaughter Kong Dongmei, defended the phenomenon,
stating that "it shows his influence, that he exists in people's
consciousness and has influenced several generations of Chinese
people's way of life. Just like Che Guevara's image, his has become a
symbol of revolutionary culture.

Supporters of Mao credit him with advancing the social and economic
development of Chinese society. They point out that before 1949, for
instance, the illiteracy rate in Mainland China was 80%, and life
expectancy was a meager 35 years. At his death, illiteracy had
declined to less than seven percent, and average life expectancy had
increased to more than 70 years .

Now, ceratinly he made plenty of mistakes, but so have other leaders.
The first half of the 20th Century is repleat with political violence,
but this doesn't diminish his contributions to  progress and the
Chinese people.
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27 million Chinese died in vain during Mao’s era, 9 million Chinese
starved to death in 1959 alone thanks to Mao’s senseless and brutal
political movements like Great Leap Forward!!!

Once again,...

Stereo-typical anti-Maoist propaganda. You can't add up all the deaths
that occurred in that area of the world and lay them at the feet of Mao.
There was a revolution and people were going to die. Many said that they
would rather die than go on living as slaves. Look at how far he brought
China in such a short time. The previous powers would not yield their
control lightly. Some of those deaths would be at their feet too, if not
all.

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:50:26 -0300, Fred Williams
fred at (no spam) frewilliams.FFFfca> wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:
snip
OK! Let's go through the tens of millions that Mao killed.

Stereo-typical anti-Maoist propaganda. You can't add up all the deaths
that occurred in that area of the world and lay them at the feet of Mao.
There was a revolution and people were going to die. Many said that they
would rather die than go on living as slaves. Look at how far he brought
China in such a short time. The previous powers would not yield their
control lightly. Some of those deaths would be at their feet too, if not
all.

What??? The cultural revolution and the great leap forward led to the
deaths of millions of people. It's a fact.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:20:05 +0200 (CEST), "Anonymous Remailer
(austria)" <mixmaster at (no spam) remailer.privacy.at> wrote:


On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:50:26 -0300, Fred Williams
fred at (no spam) frewilliams.FFFfca> wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:
snip
OK! Let's go through the tens of millions that Mao killed.

Stereo-typical anti-Maoist propaganda. You can't add up all the deaths
that occurred in that area of the world and lay them at the feet of Mao.
There was a revolution and people were going to die. Many said that they
would rather die than go on living as slaves. Look at how far he brought
China in such a short time. The previous powers would not yield their
control lightly. Some of those deaths would be at their feet too, if not
all.

What??? The cultural revolution and the great leap forward led to the
deaths of millions of people. It's a fact. Purge after purge killed
millions. Take off your rose-colored glasses. Or at least give back the 50
cents.

Most revolutions are nasty pieces of work. Nobody denies that many
died - but that can be said for most,if not all violent revolutions -
including the War of Independence.

Except for India.

What did the Egyptians do to the Jews? Violent revolutions have been
going on for thousands of years, so it's not cricket to single out
*one* as a dreadful example.

Do you know the truth about the Boston Tea Party?

There was plenty of violence in connection with our involvement in
Vietnam; American history is repleat with violence in the name of
"freedom".

Guys such as Stalin and Mao realized that human nature doesn't change,
and the only way to insure success for their causes was to eliminate
the competition.

There's not a lot of comparison between Stalin and Mao either. Very much

I really find no fault in that considering the larger picture.

The poster going with the IDs "abianchen" and "report2009" never went
to college.

Proof: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en

Once again what? Chinese civil war ended in 1949 but Mao was restless
and brought senseless and brutal political movements like Great Leap
Forward that starved 9 million Chinese people to death in 1959 alone,
then, Cultural Revolution... students were against teachers, children
were against parents... What kind of society is that? Mao was a
MONSTER!!!

In 1979, DXP and his CCP simply abandoned Maoism and adopted market
economy. Finally China had peace and started to make progress. What a
waste for China for first 30 years!

In Taiwan, we did not have those crazy political movements, today, my
Taiwan has GDP per capita 5 times higher than China, we have invested
over USD 100 billion in China. We don’t spit. In China, people spit
everywhere. Now mainland Chinese tourists visited Taiwan and admired
us, they said this is what future China should be.

Those are all facts!!!

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:19:37 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
nobody at (no spam) dizum.com> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:03:19 -0700, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbutty at (no spam) hotmail.c=
om
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:14:24 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
termlimits at (no spam) democracy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:37:44 -0700 (PDT), "fyfpoon at (no spam) gmail.com"
fyfpoon at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On 10=D4=C28=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E71=CA=B159=B7=D6, Dank 110100100 <dank.=
. at (no spam) rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:54 pm, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

It's called "realism". The decison was made not to meet with the =
Lama
until *after* Obama visits the Chinese leadership in November beca=
use
of delicate negotiations concerning crucial foreign policy, econom=
ic
and environmental goals that the Lama has absolutely nothing to do
with.

But Barack Obama was elected by U.S. leftists who support the Dalai
Lama, not the Chinese. Obama represents the American people, not th=
e
Chinese leadership.

Look around. Religion is dying.

I always wondered why the left is so enamored of a religious leader
such as the Dalai Lama, the same left that would pelt the Pope with
rotten eggs if given a chance. But while I do not recognize the
authority of an unelected religious leader, the Dalai Lama still has
more authority than the unelected puppet government installed by
Communist China.

I participated in the Olympic Torch protest in San Francisco last
year, and everyone kept assuming that I was there to support the
Tibetan independence movement, but I was just there to protest
communist tyranny - particularly the Tiananmen Square massacre.

"San Francisco Welcomes Political Protesters. Beijing Kills Them."

If you want to protest the T Square suppression, why don't you protest
against Kent State killing of students as well?

To support Tibet independence means more blood shed harvested by a few
international politicians.


Was the tragedy at Kent State ordered by the U.S. government?
Were the demonstrators imprisoned?
Did the U.S. attempt to cover up the killings?
Did the Chinese launch an investigation into the T Square reaction to
the demonstrators?

I think you better come up with a more germane comparison.

Not really.

Agents of the U.S. government shot and killed four students who were
protesting a war. That's all we need to know in the context of this
discussion, which centered on the United States' intolerance of
demonstrators at that time.

It reveals attitudes and itchy fingers.

OK! Let's go through the tens of millions that Mao killed.

How about Atilla the Hun? Or Ghengis Kahn?

Different era; different circumstances.

You'd flunk any college-level test.

Nomen Nescio wrote:
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:03:19 -0700, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail..c> > om
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:14:24 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
termlim... at (no spam) democracy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:37:44 -0700 (PDT), "fyfp... at (no spam) gmail.com"
fyfp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On 10=D4=C28=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E71=CA=B159=B7=D6, Dank 110100100 <dank.> > .... at (no spam) rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:54 pm, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

It's called "realism".  The decison was made not to meet with the > > Lama
until *after* Obama visits the Chinese leadership in November beca> > use
of delicate negotiations concerning crucial foreign policy, econom> > ic
and environmental goals that the Lama has absolutely nothing to do
with.

But Barack Obama was elected by U.S. leftists who support the Dalai
Lama, not the Chinese.  Obama represents the American people, not th> > e
Chinese leadership.

Look around.  Religion is dying.

I always wondered why the left is so enamored of a religious leader
such as the Dalai Lama, the same left that would pelt the Pope with
rotten eggs if given a chance.  But while I do not recognize the
authority of an unelected religious leader, the Dalai Lama still has
more authority than the unelected puppet government installed by
Communist China.

I participated in the Olympic Torch protest in San Francisco last
year, and everyone kept assuming that I was there to support the
Tibetan independence movement, but I was just there to protest
communist tyranny - particularly the Tiananmen Square massacre.

"San Francisco Welcomes Political Protesters.  Beijing Kills Them.."

If you want to protest the T Square suppression, why don't you protest
against Kent State killing of students as well?

To support Tibet independence means more blood shed harvested by a few
international politicians.

Was the tragedy at Kent State ordered by the U.S. government?
Were the demonstrators imprisoned?
Did the U.S. attempt to cover up the killings?
Did the Chinese launch an investigation into the T Square reaction to
the demonstrators?

I think you better come up with a more germane comparison.

Not really.

Agents of the U.S. government shot and killed four students who were
protesting a war.  That's all we need to know in the context of this
discussion, which centered on the United States' intolerance of
demonstrators at that time.

It reveals attitudes and itchy fingers.

OK! Let's go through the tens of millions that Mao killed.

        Stereo-typical anti-Maoist propaganda.  You can't add up all the deaths
that occurred in that area of the world and lay them at the feet of Mao.  
There was a revolution and people were going to die.  Many said that they
would rather die than go on living as slaves.  Look at how far he brought
China in such a short time.  The previous powers would not yield their
control lightly.  Some of those deaths would be at their feet too, if not
all.

What about nuts?

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:47:29 -0700, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbutty at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:19:37 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
nobody at (no spam) dizum.com> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:03:19 -0700, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbutty at (no spam) hotmail.c=
om
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:14:24 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
termlimits at (no spam) democracy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:37:44 -0700 (PDT), "fyfpoon at (no spam) gmail.com"
fyfpoon at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On 10=D4=C28=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E71=CA=B159=B7=D6, Dank 110100100 <dank.=
. at (no spam) rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:54 pm, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

It's called "realism". The decison was made not to meet with the =
Lama
until *after* Obama visits the Chinese leadership in November beca=
use
of delicate negotiations concerning crucial foreign policy, econom=
ic
and environmental goals that the Lama has absolutely nothing to do
with.

But Barack Obama was elected by U.S. leftists who support the Dalai
Lama, not the Chinese. Obama represents the American people, not th=
e
Chinese leadership.

Look around. Religion is dying.

I always wondered why the left is so enamored of a religious leader
such as the Dalai Lama, the same left that would pelt the Pope with
rotten eggs if given a chance. But while I do not recognize the
authority of an unelected religious leader, the Dalai Lama still has
more authority than the unelected puppet government installed by
Communist China.

I participated in the Olympic Torch protest in San Francisco last
year, and everyone kept assuming that I was there to support the
Tibetan independence movement, but I was just there to protest
communist tyranny - particularly the Tiananmen Square massacre.

"San Francisco Welcomes Political Protesters. Beijing Kills Them."

If you want to protest the T Square suppression, why don't you protest
against Kent State killing of students as well?

To support Tibet independence means more blood shed harvested by a few
international politicians.


Was the tragedy at Kent State ordered by the U.S. government?
Were the demonstrators imprisoned?
Did the U.S. attempt to cover up the killings?
Did the Chinese launch an investigation into the T Square reaction to
the demonstrators?

I think you better come up with a more germane comparison.

Not really.

Agents of the U.S. government shot and killed four students who were
protesting a war. That's all we need to know in the context of this
discussion, which centered on the United States' intolerance of
demonstrators at that time.

It reveals attitudes and itchy fingers.

OK! Let's go through the tens of millions that Mao killed.

How about Atilla the Hun? Or Ghengis Kahn?

Different era; different circumstances.

You'd flunk any college-level test.

You're just a nut.

On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 07:47:29 -0700, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbutty at (no spam) hotmail.com
wrote:

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 08:19:37 +0200 (CEST), Nomen Nescio
nobody at (no spam) dizum.com> wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:03:19 -0700, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbutty at (no spam) hotmail.c=
om
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:14:24 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
termlimits at (no spam) democracy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:37:44 -0700 (PDT), "fyfpoon at (no spam) gmail.com"
fyfpoon at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On 10=D4=C28=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E71=CA=B159=B7=D6, Dank 110100100 <dank.=
. at (no spam) rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:54 pm, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

It's called "realism". The decison was made not to meet with the =
Lama
until *after* Obama visits the Chinese leadership in November beca=
use
of delicate negotiations concerning crucial foreign policy, econom=
ic
and environmental goals that the Lama has absolutely nothing to do
with.

But Barack Obama was elected by U.S. leftists who support the Dalai
Lama, not the Chinese. Obama represents the American people, not th=
e
Chinese leadership.

Look around. Religion is dying.

I always wondered why the left is so enamored of a religious leader
such as the Dalai Lama, the same left that would pelt the Pope with
rotten eggs if given a chance. But while I do not recognize the
authority of an unelected religious leader, the Dalai Lama still has
more authority than the unelected puppet government installed by
Communist China.

I participated in the Olympic Torch protest in San Francisco last
year, and everyone kept assuming that I was there to support the
Tibetan independence movement, but I was just there to protest
communist tyranny - particularly the Tiananmen Square massacre.

"San Francisco Welcomes Political Protesters. Beijing Kills Them."

If you want to protest the T Square suppression, why don't you protest
against Kent State killing of students as well?

To support Tibet independence means more blood shed harvested by a few
international politicians.


Was the tragedy at Kent State ordered by the U.S. government?
Were the demonstrators imprisoned?
Did the U.S. attempt to cover up the killings?
Did the Chinese launch an investigation into the T Square reaction to
the demonstrators?

I think you better come up with a more germane comparison.

Not really.

Agents of the U.S. government shot and killed four students who were
protesting a war. That's all we need to know in the context of this
discussion, which centered on the United States' intolerance of
demonstrators at that time.

It reveals attitudes and itchy fingers.

OK! Let's go through the tens of millions that Mao killed.

How about Atilla the Hun? Or Ghengis Kahn?

Different era; different circumstances.

You'd flunk any college-level test.

You're just a nut.

On Oct 9, 5:50 am, Fred Williams <f... at (no spam) frewilliams.FFFfca> wrote:
Nomen Nescio wrote:
On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:03:19 -0700, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail.c=
om
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:14:24 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
termlim... at (no spam) democracy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:37:44 -0700 (PDT), "fyfp... at (no spam) gmail.com"
fyfp... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On 10=D4=C28=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E71=CA=B159=B7=D6, Dank 110100100 <dank.=
.... at (no spam) rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:54 pm, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

It's called "realism".  The decison was made not to meet with the =
Lama
until *after* Obama visits the Chinese leadership in November beca=
use
of delicate negotiations concerning crucial foreign policy, econom=
ic
and environmental goals that the Lama has absolutely nothing to do
with.

But Barack Obama was elected by U.S. leftists who support the Dalai
Lama, not the Chinese.  Obama represents the American people, not th=
e
Chinese leadership.

Look around.  Religion is dying.

I always wondered why the left is so enamored of a religious leader
such as the Dalai Lama, the same left that would pelt the Pope with
rotten eggs if given a chance.  But while I do not recognize the
authority of an unelected religious leader, the Dalai Lama still has
more authority than the unelected puppet government installed by
Communist China.

I participated in the Olympic Torch protest in San Francisco last
year, and everyone kept assuming that I was there to support the
Tibetan independence movement, but I was just there to protest
communist tyranny - particularly the Tiananmen Square massacre.

"San Francisco Welcomes Political Protesters.  Beijing Kills Them."

If you want to protest the T Square suppression, why don't you protest
against Kent State killing of students as well?

To support Tibet independence means more blood shed harvested by a few
international politicians.

Was the tragedy at Kent State ordered by the U.S. government?
Were the demonstrators imprisoned?
Did the U.S. attempt to cover up the killings?
Did the Chinese launch an investigation into the T Square reaction to
the demonstrators?

I think you better come up with a more germane comparison.

Not really.

Agents of the U.S. government shot and killed four students who were
protesting a war.  That's all we need to know in the context of this
discussion, which centered on the United States' intolerance of
demonstrators at that time.

It reveals attitudes and itchy fingers.

OK! Let's go through the tens of millions that Mao killed.

        Stereo-typical anti-Maoist propaganda.  You can't add up all the deaths
that occurred in that area of the world and lay them at the feet of Mao.  
There was a revolution and people were going to die.  Many said that they
would rather die than go on living as slaves.  Look at how far he brought
China in such a short time.  The previous powers would not yield their
control lightly.  Some of those deaths would be at their feet too, if not
all.

Mao really didn't succeed at much except seizing control of the
central government. Almost all of China's progress since then has
been the direct result of trade with the USA, and the only reason low-
quality Chinese goods are competitive is because they are cheap, and
the reason they are cheap is because they use slave and child labor to
produce them.

As for Mao's 'reforms,' he had some rather bizarre ideas, including a
Cultural Revolution that resembled Pol Pot's attempt to purge
bourgeois ideas by killing all those who were educated before the
Revolution. Mao also believed he could reform agriculture by re-
educating crops like wheat to cooperate instead of compete for
nutrients, and even re-educating entire species of crops to become
other species, making farming more efficient because only one crop
needed to be planted.

Today Mao's ideas are considered heretical, and Chinese Communism is
actually capitalism, except that the Party maintains absolute power,
and the successes of capitalist enterprise are attributed to
communism. This is identical to the situation in Vietnam, where the
Communist Party fought a bloody revolution to 'liberate' the
Vietnamese people from the shackles of Western capitalist oppression,
and today most Vietnamese are exploited by capitalist Western
corporations such as Nike, and the Communist Party takes credit for
providing them with jobs.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 15:20:05 +0200 (CEST), "Anonymous Remailer
(austria)" <mixmaster at (no spam) remailer.privacy.at> wrote:


On Fri, 09 Oct 2009 08:50:26 -0300, Fred Williams <fred at (no spam) frewilliams.FFFfca
wrote:

Nomen Nescio wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 20:03:19 -0700, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbutty at (no spam) hotmail.c=
om
wrote:

On Thu, 08 Oct 2009 08:14:24 -0400, E. Barry Bruyea
termlimits at (no spam) democracy.com> wrote:

On Wed, 7 Oct 2009 21:37:44 -0700 (PDT), "fyfpoon at (no spam) gmail.com"
fyfpoon at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On 10=D4=C28=C8=D5, =C9=CF=CE=E71=CA=B159=B7=D6, Dank 110100100 <dank.=
. at (no spam) rocketmail.com> wrote:
On Oct 6, 9:54 pm, Mack A. Damia <mybaconbu... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:

It's called "realism". The decison was made not to meet with the =
Lama
until *after* Obama visits the Chinese leadership in November beca=
use
of delicate negotiations concerning crucial foreign policy, econom=
ic
and environmental goals that the Lama has absolutely nothing to do
with.

But Barack Obama was elected by U.S. leftists who support the Dalai
Lama, not the Chinese. Obama represents the American people, not th=
e
Chinese leadership.

Look around. Religion is dying.

I always wondered why the left is so enamored of a religious leader
such as the Dalai Lama, the same left that would pelt the Pope with
rotten eggs if given a chance. But while I do not recognize the
authority of an unelected religious leader, the Dalai Lama still has
more authority than the unelected puppet government installed by
Communist China.

I participated in the Olympic Torch protest in San Francisco last
year, and everyone kept assuming that I was there to support the
Tibetan independence movement, but I was just there to protest
communist tyranny - particularly the Tiananmen Square massacre.

"San Francisco Welcomes Political Protesters. Beijing Kills Them."

If you want to protest the T Square suppression, why don't you protest
against Kent State killing of students as well?

To support Tibet independence means more blood shed harvested by a few
international politicians.


Was the tragedy at Kent State ordered by the U.S. government?
Were the demonstrators imprisoned?
Did the U.S. attempt to cover up the killings?
Did the Chinese launch an investigation into the T Square reaction to
the demonstrators?

I think you better come up with a more germane comparison.

Not really.

Agents of the U.S. government shot and killed four students who were
protesting a war. That's all we need to know in the context of this
discussion, which centered on the United States' intolerance of
demonstrators at that time.

It reveals attitudes and itchy fingers.

OK! Let's go through the tens of millions that Mao killed.

Stereo-typical anti-Maoist propaganda. You can't add up all the deaths
that occurred in that area of the world and lay them at the feet of Mao.
There was a revolution and people were going to die. Many said that they
would rather die than go on living as slaves. Look at how far he brought
China in such a short time. The previous powers would not yield their
control lightly. Some of those deaths would be at their feet too, if not
all.

What??? The cultural revolution and the great leap forward led to the deaths of
millions of people. It's a fact. Purge after purge killed millions. Take off
your rose-colored glasses. Or at least give back the 50 cents.

Most revolutions are nasty pieces of work. Nobody denies that many
died - but that can be said for most,if not all violent revolutions -
including the War of Independence.

What did the Egyptians do to the Jews? Violent revolutions have been
going on for thousands of years, so it's not cricket to single out
*one* as a dreadful example.

Do you know the truth about the Boston Tea Party?

There was plenty of violence in connection with our involvement in
Vietnam; American history is repleat with violence in the name of
"freedom".

Guys such as Stalin and Mao realized that human nature doesn't change,
and the only way to insure success for their causes was to eliminate
the competition.

I really find no fault in that considering the larger picture.

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 09:24:13 -0700 (PDT), Anti-DabianchenVirus
wusong3 at (no spam) rocketmail.com> wrote:

The poster going with the IDs "abianchen" and "report2009" never went
to college.

Proof: http://groups.google.com/group/soc.culture.china/msg/995a71070728ba0c?hl=en

There is nothing worse than abject ignorance, and in today's world,
there is no excuse for it. I get sick, tired and utterly fed up with
unenlightened opinions gleaned from others. So-called "experts" on
Usenet who know the "truth". I could vomit at times.

I'm a retired professor of political science, and I don't pretend to
know everything. My area of emphasis was political socialization, and
it appears that most folks get there political views from their
parents.

If parents are closed-minded rednecks, you can just about bet with
assurance that their children will turn out the same way.

The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.

Cheers!

On Fri, 9 Oct 2009 10:36:51 -0700 (PDT), "abianchen at (no spam) my-deja.com"
abianchen at (no spam) my-deja.com> wrote:

Once again what? Chinese civil war ended in 1949 but Mao was restless
and brought senseless and brutal political movements like Great Leap
Forward that starved 9 million Chinese people to death in 1959 alone,
then, Cultural Revolution... students were against teachers, children
were against parents... What kind of society is that? Mao was a
MONSTER!!!

In 1979, DXP and his CCP simply abandoned Maoism and adopted market
economy. Finally China had peace and started to make progress. What a
waste for China for first 30 years!

In Taiwan, we did not have those crazy political movements, today, my
Taiwan has GDP per capita 5 times higher than China, we have invested
over USD 100 billion in China. We don=92t spit. In China, people spit
everywhere. Now mainland Chinese tourists visited Taiwan and admired
us, they said this is what future China should be.

Those are all facts!!!

More Facts.

He is regarded as one of the most important figures in modern world
history.

He was named by Time Magazine as one of the 100 most influential
people of the 20th century.

Along with Adolf Hitler, Ayatullah Khomeini, and Lenin.=20