On Tue, 3 Nov 2009 17:59:45 +0000 (UTC), Curly Surmudgeon
CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote:

I never lie however I do occasionally make a mistake. Please do correct
any you find. The difference between us is that I cleanse myself of
errors instead of misdirection and fabrication to avoid an admission of
error.

And seldom you do----most glaring is lumping both parties policies as
"the same".

The goals and end results are clearly miles apart.

You did say that Saddam's WMD's were hidden in Iran however you're lying
again by implication. We are speaking of Iraq and Saddam Hussein's
Weapons of Mass Destruction, not Iran's.

He knows that---he's a troll that tends to literally parse words, or
issues to his benefit---most notably when he's losing

Your claim that Iraq shipped their WMD's anywhere is bullshit that you
have not, will not and can not substantiate.

Every middle school student (by now) knows that Saddam deliberately
misled everyone from UN inspectors to his neighbors as to his
capabilities.

The reasons have been publicly explicated several times--even probably
by you

He tried to "save" his air force by flying them out---they confiscated
them---never gave 'em back

Most of the WMD were destroyed in Gulf 1, later by detonation by various
military means.

His Cat and mouse crap was for "show" to keep his minority in power

Iran wasn't the meticulous record keeper Germany was, Saddam was lied to
(probably) by his own scientists and some military to keep their heads
if they failed. Ended up that Saddam was the LEAST able to prove what he
had or did not have.

But the Alder-0f-Loons hasn't had a cogent argument to defend his lying
sack of inarticulate shit bush for years.

Saddam's WMDs were
indeed smuggled out of Iraq into Iran shortly before or after the US
invasion.

We are speaking of Iraq and Saddam Hussein's Weapons of Mass
Destruction, not Iran's.

Well, *I* am.

Your claim that Iraq shipped their WMD's anywhere is bullshit that you
have not, will not and can not substantiate.

No, it is not bullshit at all. I just can't tell you where I got it.

I have no reason to lie.

Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote in news:hcqq0g$1mr$2
at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:58:11 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com
wrote:

Saddam's WMDs were
indeed smuggled out of Iraq into Iran shortly before or after the US
invasion.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You haven't provided
*any* proof demanding that we accept your word. Given your history
here do not expect such latitude.

What "history" is that. A handful of leftwing hatemongers adding
'loon' to
my name?

Without an iota of evidence such a claim is bullshit.

It is what happened.

Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote in news:hcqq7n$1mr$4
at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:58:11 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com
wrote:

Your claim that Iraq shipped their WMD's anywhere is bullshit that
you have not, will not and can not substantiate.

No, it is not bullshit at all. I just can't tell you where I got
it.

Then it is bullshit.

No, it is not bullshit at all. I just can't tell you where I got
it.

I have no reason to lie.

As a rabid supporter of Bush/Cheney you have every reason to lie.

Bush and Cheney are gone. And while I did not join the
bile-spitting,
hatemongering leftwing lot who hated and despised every move the
administration made, I was not a 'rabid supporter' either. You, of
course, see only those two extremes. If I don't share your hatred, I am
the 'other side.' There is no middle ground.

It
takes at least two lies to cover up one lie. The Bush Administration
is widely known, especially on the issue of Iraq, as pathological
liars.

"Widely known"? Must be the latest variation on "everyone knows"? I
guess
that's YOUR idea of a cite.

You continue to make their case long after every single claim has been
conclusively disproven.

EVERY SINGLE CLAIM HAS BEEN DISPROVEN! I've told you a million times
not
to exaggerate. LOL!!

Do not ask the impossible, your ridiculous claims will not be accepted
without evidence.

No evidence would satisfy you. You believe what your hate insists
that you
believe. Photos of WMDs being smuggled out would be photoshopped.
Testimony of Iraqi officials would be coerced or self-serving lies.

Evidence that you have not, will not, can not provide.

Oh, well.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:58:11 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Saddam's WMDs were
indeed smuggled out of Iraq into Iran shortly before or after the US
invasion.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You haven't provided
*any* proof demanding that we accept your word. Given your history here
do not expect such latitude.

Without an iota of evidence such a claim is bullshit.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:58:11 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Your claim that Iraq shipped their WMD's anywhere is bullshit that you
have not, will not and can not substantiate.

No, it is not bullshit at all. I just can't tell you where I got it.

Then it is bullshit.

I have no reason to lie.

As a rabid supporter of Bush/Cheney you have every reason to lie.

It
takes at least two lies to cover up one lie. The Bush Administration is
widely known, especially on the issue of Iraq, as pathological liars.

You continue to make their case long after every single claim has been
conclusively disproven.

Do not ask the impossible, your ridiculous
claims will not be accepted without evidence.

Evidence that you have not, will not, can not provide.

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 22:32:22 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote in news:hcqq0g$1mr$2
at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org:

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 12:58:11 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com
wrote:

Saddam's WMDs were
indeed smuggled out of Iraq into Iran shortly before or after the US
invasion.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You haven't provided
*any* proof demanding that we accept your word. Given your history
here do not expect such latitude.

What "history" is that. A handful of leftwing hatemongers adding
'loon' to my name?

Without an iota of evidence such a claim is bullshit.

It is what happened.

We've been over this.

Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:
Curly Surmudgeon <> wrote:
Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Your claim that Iraq shipped their WMD's anywhere is bullshit that
you have not, will not and can not substantiate.

No, it is not bullshit at all. I just can't tell you where I got
it.

Then it is bullshit.

No, it is not bullshit at all. I just can't tell you where I got
it.

I have no reason to lie.

As a rabid supporter of Bush/Cheney you have every reason to lie.

Bush and Cheney are gone. And while I did not join the
bile-spitting, hatemongering leftwing lot who hated and despised
every move the
administration made, I was not a 'rabid supporter' either. You, of
course, see only those two extremes. If I don't share your hatred, I am
the 'other side.' There is no middle ground.

It
takes at least two lies to cover up one lie. The Bush Administration
is widely known, especially on the issue of Iraq, as pathological
liars.

"Widely known"? Must be the latest variation on "everyone knows"? I
guess that's YOUR idea of a cite.

You continue to make their case long after every single claim has been
conclusively disproven.

EVERY SINGLE CLAIM HAS BEEN DISPROVEN! I've told you a million times
not to exaggerate. LOL!!

Do not ask the impossible, your ridiculous claims will not be accepted
without evidence.

No evidence would satisfy you. You believe what your hate
insists that you believe. Photos of WMDs being smuggled out
would be photoshopped. Testimony of Iraqi officials
would be coerced or self-serving lies.

Evidence that you have not, will not, can not provide.

Oh, well.

You've spent a lot of time telling me what I believe while evading any
substantiation of your ridiculous claim that Saddam Hussein sent his
WMD's to Iran to hide them from Bush. We are speaking of 2003.

It's ludicrous to expect anyone to believe that Saddam Hussein would send
Weapons of Mass Destruction to a sworn enemy who suffered under Saddam's
nerve gasses.

No, I do not believe you. Especially since you've refused to give any
credible evidence to support your theory.

Cliff <Clhuprichguessw... at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote innews:4823f5pkafiv01580dgcbgg43k7he5daq9 at (no spam) 4ax.com:



On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 23:01:35 -0600, Jim Alder <jimal... at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Do not ask the impossible, your ridiculous  claims will not be accepted
without evidence.

   No evidence would satisfy you. You believe what your hate insists that
you
believe. Photos of WMDs being smuggled out would be photoshopped. Testimony
of
Iraqi officials would be coerced or self-serving lies.

  None of which exist in any case as there were no "WMDs" nor
any way to make any.

   Prove it.

--
 So, how's that whole "hopey - changey"
 thing working out for you so far?

On Tue, 03 Nov 2009 11:36:58 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Curly Surmudgeon <CurlySurmudgeon at (no spam) live.com> wrote in
news:pan.2009.11.03.06.46.57 at (no spam) live.com:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 14:52:45 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com
wrote:

Then these people lied too?
Well.... They ARE Democrats.
What does that have to do with your lie that Iraq hid their Weapons of
Mass Destruction in Syria?
I said Iran. Why do you lie?

I never lie however I do occasionally make a mistake. Please do correct
any you find. The difference between us is that I cleanse myself of
errors instead of misdirection and fabrication to avoid an admission of
error.

You did say that Saddam's WMD's were hidden in Iran however you're lying
again by implication. We are speaking of Iraq and Saddam Hussein's
Weapons of Mass Destruction, not Iran's.

Your claim that Iraq shipped their WMD's anywhere is bullshit that you
have not, will not and can not substantiate.

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:i5u0f5h3hrclbt0e83ksr12j1tgtlsm00q at (no spam) 4ax.com:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:58:55 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:o1oue5h9pd1r1p971qk1odf9jtvb9mc8m2 at (no spam) 4ax.com:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 16:15:01 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com> wrote:

Cliff <Clhuprichguesswhat at (no spam) aoltmovetheperiodc.om> wrote in
news:nmjue5puhe94fhh72giltjkcdg2omv9u0u at (no spam) 4ax.com:

On Mon, 02 Nov 2009 11:30:12 -0600, Jim Alder <jimalder at (no spam) ssnet.com
wrote:

Fuck off, Roselles.

Why do you hate Truth, Beauty & the American Way?

You think Gary Roselles is "Truth and Beauty", Cliffie? Why, aren't
you
the sweetest thing? I had no idea you swung that way. You think that slimy
little asshole Roselles has anything to do with the American Way?

You're sadly deluded.

They were 100% correct.

Who?

I read the post.

Then answer the question.

How stupid are you?

I'm not stupid at all.

Melanie! at fred.com asked no question.

That is yet another alias of Gary Roselles, a racist, hatemongeroing
asshole/pest who remains forever in my killfile.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof. You haven't provided
*any* proof demanding that we accept your word. Given your history here
do not expect such latitude.

What "history" is that. A handful of leftwing hatemongers adding 'loon' to
my name?

Without an iota of evidence such a claim is bullshit.

It is what happened.

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President Reagan created the conditions which made possible the crimes
committed by others by his secret deviations from announced national
policy as to Iran and hostages and by his open determination to keep
the contras together ``body and soul'' despite a statutory ban on
contra aid.1

McFarlane, North Trial Testimony, 3/10/89, p. 3946
..

What "history" is that. A handful of leftwing hatemongers adding
'loon' to my name?

What, no answer? Just a cheap insult without substance? I thought you
didn't believe in that kind of thing.

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leftwing cocksuckers like you are an excellent thermometer on hate and
hatemongering.