All gun sales should go through local law enforcement before it's
approved and yes all gun owners WILL be licensed (to include a safety
course) and all guns WILL be registered.

In talk.politics.guns Lookout <mrLookout at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:


All gun sales should go through local law enforcement before it's
approved and yes all gun owners WILL be licensed (to include a safety
course) and all guns WILL be registered.

Never happen. [chuckle]

There will never be national gun registration. You'll never know who's
carrying and who isn't. You'll never know if your neighbor has a cache
of guns and ammo or not.

You'll just never know.

And that is just as it should be. Just like I don't need to know

On Sep 25, 4:13 pm, "Devil's Advocate" <Devil's_Advoc... at (no spam) devil.xxx
wrote:
Lookout <mrLook... at (no spam) yahoo.com>  wrote :





On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:45:23 -0500, "Devil's Advocate"
Devil's_Advoc... at (no spam) devil.xxx> wrote:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/22/guns-toronto-seize
d- police523.html

You lying ignorant stupid bastard.
"Toronto police have seized almost 400 firearms with lapsed
registrations in a six-month push aimed at reducing the number of
guns on the city's streets."

Stupid gun owners WHO LET THEIR REGISTRATION LAPSE lost their guns.

Did you really think that would get by me?

You're all a bunch of punk ass liars.

You're all a bunch of punk ass tyrants who dont recognize human
rights!-
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Do you think that potential gun buyers should show photo-ID proof of
passing a safe gun-handling course (Military, NRA, police, etc)
before the gun can be sold?

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:23:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
klausschadenfreude at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

In talk.politics.guns Lookout <mrLookout at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:


All gun sales should go through local law enforcement before it's
approved and yes all gun owners WILL be licensed (to include a safety
course) and all guns WILL be registered.

Never happen. [chuckle]

There will never be national gun registration. You'll never know who's
carrying and who isn't. You'll never know if your neighbor has a cache
of guns and ammo or not.

You'll just never know.

And that is just as it should be. Just like I don't need to know
about his Porno stash, he doesn't need to know what I may or may not
own.

Primary tenant of Security, need to know and he don't need to know!

Do you think that potential gun buyers should show photo-ID proof of
passing a safe gun-handling course (Military, NRA, police, etc)
before the gun can be sold?


No, although I think that all gunowners should do that. I don't like the
state being involved in anything like that since it is the state that
many guns are bought to protect the owner from. In essense, mandating
anything like that becomes de facto registration.

In talk.politics.guns Zombywoof <Zomby-Woof at (no spam) cox.net> wrote:

On Sat, 26 Sep 2009 06:23:54 -0700, Klaus Schadenfreude
klausschadenfreude at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:

In talk.politics.guns Lookout <mrLookout at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:


All gun sales should go through local law enforcement before it's
approved and yes all gun owners WILL be licensed (to include a safety
course) and all guns WILL be registered.

Never happen. [chuckle]

There will never be national gun registration. You'll never know who's
carrying and who isn't. You'll never know if your neighbor has a cache
of guns and ammo or not.

You'll just never know.

And that is just as it should be. Just like I don't need to know
about his Porno stash, he doesn't need to know what I may or may not
own.

Primary tenant of Security, need to know and he don't need to know!

And judging by some of his posts, he's incapable of learning, so he'll
never know!

Lookout <mrLookout at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote :
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:45:23 -0500, "Devil's Advocate"
Devil's_Advocate at (no spam) devil.xxx> wrote:

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/22/guns-toronto-seized-
police523.html

You lying ignorant stupid bastard.
"Toronto police have seized almost 400 firearms with lapsed
registrations in a six-month push aimed at reducing the number of guns
on the city's streets."

Stupid gun owners WHO LET THEIR REGISTRATION LAPSE lost their guns.

Did you really think that would get by me?

You're all a bunch of punk ass liars.

You're all a bunch of punk ass tyrants who dont recognize human rights!

RD (The Sandman) wrote:

Do you think that potential gun buyers should show photo-ID proof of
passing a safe gun-handling course (Military, NRA, police, etc)
before the gun can be sold?


No, although I think that all gunowners should do that. I don't like
the state being involved in anything like that since it is the state
that many guns are bought to protect the owner from. In essense,
mandating anything like that becomes de facto registration.

Need I remind everyone that WE are the state?

positions are nothing more than administrators. They really hold no
authority to demand anything of the sort of us. They are *servants*
and should be kept painfully, if respectfully, aware of that tidbit of
truth.

|>To have the most effective means of defending oneself is. Today
|>that is a firearm.

I might suggest that if you need anything more powerful than
50AE
handgun, your probably doing something wrong as far as self defense
is concerned.

Once upon at time a commander warrior showed up with a flintlock
handgun, everybody looked at it, laughed, and said *What are you
gonna do with that little thing"....well, they were right, the
handgun was more of status symbol for prestige, in cold/hot wartimes.

On Sat, 03 Oct 2009 20:13:50 -0600, RichTravsky <traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com
wrote:

|>> I call it North America myself, at least that's what it says on the
|>> Geography Maps. There ain't no real friggin wall there, although the armed
|
|>There is a legal wall, tho. The American Constitution ends at it.

Laws "legal" are made to be broken, so break the wall down. In China
they have Concrete Walls to enforce laws and segregation, I don't think
paper walls can hold up that long.

Laws are rules, to be personally enforced by the "fuzz" for their
enrichment and prosperity.

THEY pass laws like I pass wind, I doesn't "smell" too long, just
the value of the paper laws are written on.

Some laws make sense like "road intersection signs and lights", but
a hell of a lot of those 20,000+ gun laws really stink as far as common
sense is concerned.

Bob

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Devil's Advocate wrote:
Lookout <mrLookout at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote :
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:45:23 -0500, "Devil's Advocate"
Devil's_Advocate at (no spam) devil.xxx> wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/22/guns-toronto
-
seized-
police523.html

You lying ignorant stupid bastard.
"Toronto police have seized almost 400 firearms with lapsed
registrations in a six-month push aimed at reducing the
number of
guns
on the city's streets."

Stupid gun owners WHO LET THEIR REGISTRATION LAPSE lost their
guns.

Did you really think that would get by me?

You're all a bunch of punk ass liars.

You're all a bunch of punk ass tyrants who dont recognize human
rights!

Gun ownership is a human right?

To have the most effective means of defending oneself is. Today
that
is
a firearm.

Then a bazooka would qualify. Good luck with that.

Nope....a bazooka is too heavy to carry around all the time and it is
a

So what. A musket can weight 8 to 10 pounds. A bazooka comes in at
around 13.

My P9 weighs 25 ounces. My .357 weighs 28 ounces and my .327 weighs the
same.

bitch to conceal. Additionally, a bazooka is not considered a
firearm, it

Try concealing a musket. ANd what does concealment have to do with
anything? Where in the Constitution does it say anything about that?

Don't have to. The Supreme Court in Miller stated:

"....provided by themselves and of a type in common use at the time."
That is no longer muskets. That is modern handguns, rifles and shotguns.

Additionally, Heller stated that firearms used in self defense were fine
and the best firearm for that self defense was a handgun.

is ordnance. The Second Amendment is about what a normal infantryman

So what. What do you call an M16 with an underbarrel grenade launcher?

An M16 with a grenade launcher. Perfectly legal both from my point of
view and that of the federal government.

would carry......see rifles, shotguns and sidearms. Try again.

Infantry carry grenade launchers.

Not all of them, but even if they did, grenade launchers are perfectly
legal per federal law.

How hard is that to conceal? How do
you conceal an M16? And what does the American Constitution have to do
with TORONTO?

Who said it had anything to do with Toronto? Perhaps you should take
that up with the poster who made the comment.

"RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
RichTravsky <traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
"RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
RichTravsky <traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
"RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
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Devil's Advocate wrote:
Lookout <mrLookout at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote :
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:45:23 -0500, "Devil's Advocate"
Devil's_Advocate at (no spam) devil.xxx> wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/22/guns-toro
nto -
seized-
police523.html

You lying ignorant stupid bastard.
"Toronto police have seized almost 400 firearms with
lapsed registrations in a six-month push aimed at reducing
the number of
guns
on the city's streets."

Stupid gun owners WHO LET THEIR REGISTRATION LAPSE lost
their
guns.

Did you really think that would get by me?

You're all a bunch of punk ass liars.

You're all a bunch of punk ass tyrants who dont recognize
human
rights!

Gun ownership is a human right?

To have the most effective means of defending oneself is.
Today that
is
a firearm.

Then a bazooka would qualify. Good luck with that.

Nope....a bazooka is too heavy to carry around all the time and it
is a

So what. A musket can weight 8 to 10 pounds. A bazooka comes in at
around 13.

My P9 weighs 25 ounces. My .357 weighs 28 ounces and my .327 weighs
the same.

How nice. "The Second Amendment is about what a normal infantryman
would carry" - your words.

bitch to conceal. Additionally, a bazooka is not considered a
firearm, it

Try concealing a musket. ANd what does concealment have to do with
anything? Where in the Constitution does it say anything about
that?

Don't have to. The Supreme Court in Miller stated:

"....provided by themselves and of a type in common use at the time."
That is no longer muskets. That is modern handguns, rifles and
shotguns.

The *correct* quote is (with expanded text)

These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males
physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A
body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that
ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear
bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at
the time.

So, the military shops at Walmart?

Additionally, Heller stated that firearms used in self defense were
fine and the best firearm for that self defense was a handgun.

Uh, no, for purposes "such as self-defense"...

is ordnance. The Second Amendment is about what a normal
infantryman

So what. What do you call an M16 with an underbarrel grenade
launcher?

An M16 with a grenade launcher. Perfectly legal both from my point
of view and that of the federal government.

Your point of view doesn't count.

would carry......see rifles, shotguns and sidearms. Try again.

Infantry carry grenade launchers.

Not all of them, but even if they did, grenade launchers are
perfectly legal per federal law.

They don't ALL have to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_grenade#Legal_issues

Now, where do you buy grenades?

How hard is that to conceal? How do
you conceal an M16? And what does the American Constitution have to
do with TORONTO?

Who said it had anything to do with Toronto? Perhaps you should take
that up with the poster who made the comment.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/22/guns-toronto

DUH...

And the subject line that accompanied it? Double DUH?

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"RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
RichTravsky <traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
"RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
RichTravsky <traRvEsky at (no spam) hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in
"RD (The Sandman)" wrote:
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Devil's Advocate wrote:
Lookout <mrLookout at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote :
On Fri, 25 Sep 2009 14:45:23 -0500, "Devil's Advocate"
Devil's_Advocate at (no spam) devil.xxx> wrote:
http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/22/guns-toro
nto -
seized-
police523.html

You lying ignorant stupid bastard.
"Toronto police have seized almost 400 firearms with
lapsed registrations in a six-month push aimed at reducing
the number of
guns
on the city's streets."

Stupid gun owners WHO LET THEIR REGISTRATION LAPSE lost
their
guns.

Did you really think that would get by me?

You're all a bunch of punk ass liars.

You're all a bunch of punk ass tyrants who dont recognize
human
rights!

Gun ownership is a human right?

To have the most effective means of defending oneself is.
Today that
is
a firearm.

Then a bazooka would qualify. Good luck with that.

Nope....a bazooka is too heavy to carry around all the time and it
is a

So what. A musket can weight 8 to 10 pounds. A bazooka comes in at
around 13.

My P9 weighs 25 ounces. My .357 weighs 28 ounces and my .327 weighs
the same.

How nice. "The Second Amendment is about what a normal infantryman
would carry" - your words.

Yep.......long arms (rifles, shotguns) and sidearms (handguns). Which of
those do you think doesn't fit one of those two categories. Take all the
screens you need.

bitch to conceal. Additionally, a bazooka is not considered a
firearm, it

Try concealing a musket. ANd what does concealment have to do with
anything? Where in the Constitution does it say anything about
that?

Don't have to. The Supreme Court in Miller stated:

"....provided by themselves and of a type in common use at the time."
That is no longer muskets. That is modern handguns, rifles and
shotguns.

The *correct* quote is (with expanded text)

These show plainly enough that the Militia comprised all males
physically capable of acting in concert for the common defense. 'A
body of citizens enrolled for military discipline.' And further, that
ordinarily when called for service these men were expected to appear
bearing arms supplied by themselves and of the kind in common use at
the time.

yep and what part of "..were expected to appear bearing arms supplied by
themselves and of the king in common use at the time." do you think
belies what I said?

So, the military shops at Walmart?

What part of "...bearing arms supplied by themselves..." are you having
trouble with?

Additionally, Heller stated that firearms used in self defense were
fine and the best firearm for that self defense was a handgun.

Uh, no, for purposes "such as self-defense"...

Yep......that means that firearm used in self defense was fine. The case
was about a handgun, you moron, or did you forget that?

is ordnance. The Second Amendment is about what a normal
infantryman

So what. What do you call an M16 with an underbarrel grenade
launcher?

An M16 with a grenade launcher. Perfectly legal both from my point
of view and that of the federal government.

Your point of view doesn't count.

The feds do and they agree with me.

would carry......see rifles, shotguns and sidearms. Try again.

Infantry carry grenade launchers.

Not all of them, but even if they did, grenade launchers are
perfectly legal per federal law.

They don't ALL have to.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rifle_grenade#Legal_issues

Now, where do you buy grenades?

No need. You always get off on tangents? Or is that just a reaction
when you come across stuff in posts you can't handle?

How hard is that to conceal? How do
you conceal an M16? And what does the American Constitution have to
do with TORONTO?

Who said it had anything to do with Toronto? Perhaps you should take
that up with the poster who made the comment.

http://www.cbc.ca/canada/toronto/story/2009/09/22/guns-toronto

DUH...

And the subject line that accompanied it? Double DUH?

That's where it started but by the time I came in it had changed to
simply registration.