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| ZerkonXXXX... |
 Posted: Wed Aug 26, 2009 4:41 am |
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On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 06:46:58 -0700, Clay wrote:
Quote: I don't know of anyone who says that Rush Limbaugh is their "brave &
fearless leader".
Other than Limbaugh, that is. |
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| Josh Rosenbluth... |
| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 4:22 am |
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On Aug 27, 9:53 am, Peter Franks <n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Quote: Phlip wrote:
The caller also mentioned that he recently broke his wrist, and he
couldn't afford the costs to treat it. Rush joked that the caller
shouldn't have broken his wrist if he couldn't afford it.
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead: purchase health insurance, set aside $$ for
a personal health savings account, or not break his wrist.
Under universal health care, the above situation would be: the caller
/doesn't/ plan ahead, breaks his wrist, and *I* help pay for it.
No, under "universal health care", the caller is required to have
health insurance ahead of time.
Josh Rosenbluth |
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| Peter Franks... |
| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:53 am |
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Phlip wrote:
Quote: The caller also mentioned that he recently broke his wrist, and he
couldn't afford the costs to treat it. Rush joked that the caller
shouldn't have broken his wrist if he couldn't afford it.
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead: purchase health insurance, set aside $$ for
a personal health savings account, or not break his wrist.
Under universal health care, the above situation would be: the caller
/doesn't/ plan ahead, breaks his wrist, and *I* help pay for it.
I plan ahead. I buy my own health insurance. |
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| tv... |
| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 7:59 am |
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On Aug 27, 7:22 am, Josh Rosenbluth <jrosenbl... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 27, 9:53 am, Peter Franks <n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Phlip wrote:
The caller also mentioned that he recently broke his wrist, and he
couldn't afford the costs to treat it. Rush joked that the caller
shouldn't have broken his wrist if he couldn't afford it.
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead: purchase health insurance, set aside $$ for
a personal health savings account, or not break his wrist.
Under universal health care, the above situation would be: the caller
/doesn't/ plan ahead, breaks his wrist, and *I* help pay for it.
No, under "universal health care", the caller is required to have
health insurance ahead of time.
Josh Rosenbluth
That's why it costs $6,000 to repair a broken wrist. Insurance. If
everybody paid cash, like they did when I was young, it would cost
$300. |
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| tv... |
| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 8:01 am |
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On Aug 27, 10:52 am, Change... at (no spam) Good.com wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:53:05 -0700, Peter Franks
n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead:
How do you "plan ahead" when nearly 1/4 of Americans
are working poor that have NO (repeat NO) ability to
afford coverage?
Or millions who are excluded from insurance by
Pre-existing conditions
Or Millions who have been left bankrupt by fiscal
policies of a corrupt bunch of greedy assholes that YOU
seem to support?
Should medical services be free? |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:52 am |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:53:05 -0700, Peter Franks
<none at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Quote: If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead:
How do you "plan ahead" when nearly 1/4 of Americans
are working poor that have NO (repeat NO) ability to
afford coverage?
Or millions who are excluded from insurance by
Pre-existing conditions
Or Millions who have been left bankrupt by fiscal
policies of a corrupt bunch of greedy assholes that YOU
seem to support? |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 11:55 am |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 07:25:42 -0700 (PDT), Clay
<clays0nline at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: It's no wonder why many folks (including "pyjamarama") kick your ass
all over USENET:
Pajama--WHO?
Seems he's licking his wounds. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:21 pm |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 10:59:28 -0700 (PDT), tv
<tjwilson6531 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 27, 7:22 am, Josh Rosenbluth <jrosenbl... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
On Aug 27, 9:53 am, Peter Franks <n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
Phlip wrote:
The caller also mentioned that he recently broke his wrist, and he
couldn't afford the costs to treat it. Rush joked that the caller
shouldn't have broken his wrist if he couldn't afford it.
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead: purchase health insurance, set aside $$ for
a personal health savings account, or not break his wrist.
Under universal health care, the above situation would be: the caller
/doesn't/ plan ahead, breaks his wrist, and *I* help pay for it.
No, under "universal health care", the caller is required to have
health insurance ahead of time.
Josh Rosenbluth
That's why it costs $6,000 to repair a broken wrist. Insurance. If
everybody paid cash, like they did when I was young, it would cost
$300.
A car used to cost $4,000 too.
What's yer point?
A car today, as when the Model T came out---cost about
1 to 1 1/2 times a years salary for a working person
average. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 27, 2009 1:25 pm |
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On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 11:01:00 -0700 (PDT), tv
<tjwilson6531 at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 27, 10:52 am, Change... at (no spam) Good.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:53:05 -0700, Peter Franks
n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead:
How do you "plan ahead" when nearly 1/4 of Americans
are working poor that have NO (repeat NO) ability to
afford coverage?
Or millions who are excluded from insurance by
Pre-existing conditions
Or Millions who have been left bankrupt by fiscal
policies of a corrupt bunch of greedy assholes that YOU
seem to support?
Should medical services be free?
Nope
Nor should old age poverty (which isn't)
Nor medicare (which isn't)
We're talking REFORM of the present Health care policy
in the United States----
Lowering administrative costs
Lowering the costs of providing equipment vs Buying
More contribution from the "top 10%"
Lessening the dependency on Emergency care services.
Competition for HMO's and providers
But NOT requring anyone to give up what they have (if
they like it or can afford it) |
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| Info Junkie... |
| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 2:51 am |
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On Aug 27, 1:52 pm, Change... at (no spam) Good.com wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:53:05 -0700, Peter Franks
n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead:
How do you "plan ahead" when nearly 1/4 of Americans
are working poor that have NO (repeat NO) ability to
afford coverage?
The US population is* 307,294,884. That means 1/4 of the US population
would be 76,823,721. So you're claiming nearly 77 million US citizens
"have NO...ability to afford coverage"? Based on....what? Evidence
please
*when I was writing this post
The phrase "working poor" is vague. Please define what this phrase
means to you. |
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| Posted: Fri Aug 28, 2009 9:06 am |
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On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:51:27 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie
<bondrock at (no spam) att.net> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 27, 1:52 pm, Change... at (no spam) Good.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:53:05 -0700, Peter Franks
n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead:
How do you "plan ahead" when nearly 1/4 of Americans
are working poor that have NO (repeat NO) ability to
afford coverage?
The US population is* 307,294,884. That means 1/4 of the US population
would be 76,823,721. So you're claiming nearly 77 million US citizens
"have NO...ability to afford coverage"? Based on....what? Evidence
please
Are all 307, 823, 884 working?
I suspect all those under the age do not "afford"
health care.
The percentage of the indigent class, the lower working
poor, and various subsets of everything else are
contained in the estimate.
Even consider a elder retiree with SS as sole income
trying to pay an $90 a month Medicare fee. |
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| Info Junkie... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 3:21 am |
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On Aug 28, 11:06 am, Change... at (no spam) Good.com wrote:
Quote: On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 05:51:27 -0700 (PDT), Info Junkie
bondr... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:
On Aug 27, 1:52 pm, Change... at (no spam) Good.com wrote:
On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 06:53:05 -0700, Peter Franks
n... at (no spam) none.com> wrote:
If the caller can't afford the treatment, out of pocket, then the caller
should have planned ahead:
How do you "plan ahead" when nearly 1/4 of Americans
are working poor that have NO (repeat NO) ability to
afford coverage?
The US population is* 307,294,884. That means 1/4 of the US population
would be 76,823,721. So you're claiming nearly 77 million US citizens
"have NO...ability to afford coverage"? Based on....what? Evidence
please
Are all 307, 823, 884 working?
I provided you the latest population of US citizens.Since you made the
claim that "nearly 1/4 of Americans are working poor...have
NO...ability to afford coverage", you must have evidence of the number
of US citizens working from that population, eh?
Quote: I suspect all those under the age do not "afford"
health care.
The majority of those under age are the responsibility of their
parents/guardians.
Your statement is vague and undefined and does not show how many you
"suspect" fall under the responsibility of receiving health care from
the federal goverment and why they would no no longer be the
responsibility of their parent/guardian. Being "poor" parents/
guardians does not release them from their responsibilities.
Quote: The percentage of the indigent class, the lower working
poor, and various subsets of everything else are
contained in the estimate.
You've avoided my questioning your first vague comment by posting
another vague comment.
Let's see; based on your claims then:
1. Provide the number of US citizens you claim make up "nearly
1/4...are working poor (that) have NO...ability to afford coverage".
2. What percentage of US citizens do you claim make up the "indigent
class"?
3. What percentage of the "indigent class" of US citizenry do you
claim make up the "lower working poor"?
4a. What is the "working poor" versus the "lower working poor"? b. Is
there group considerd the "higher working poor"?
5. List the "various subsets of everything else" - be specific rather
than the vague undeterminate generalities you've provided to date.
With fallacies and rhetoric aside, please provide your evidence for
each answer.
Quote: Even consider a elder retiree with SS as sole income
trying to pay an $90 a month Medicare fee.-
An "elder retiree" is not considered part of the "working poor" nor
would they be considered "..under the age do not "afford" health
care."
OTOH, you pointed to two more federally mandated government programs,
SS and Medicare. How are those programs doing for the "elder
retiree"? ROTFLMHO |
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| Phlip... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:12 am |
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Change... at (no spam) Good.com wrote:
Quote: That's why it costs $6,000 to repair a broken wrist. Insurance. If
everybody paid cash, like they did when I was young, it would cost
$300.
A car used to cost $4,000 too.
What's yer point?
He is reciting the official HMO lobby spin that medical prices are
high because of trial lawyers and malpractice insurance. Yes they are
high.
But you can't sue an HMO, and HMOs are the first ones who get your HC
money. They get a huge skim off the top _before_ paying claims, and
these claim do indeed pay doctor's malpractice insurance premiums. |
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| Phlip... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 4:54 am |
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On Aug 29, 6:21 am, Info Junkie <bondr... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:
Quote: OTOH, you pointed to two more federally mandated government programs,
SS and Medicare. How are those programs doing for the "elder
retiree"? ROTFLMHO
After 8 years under the GOP? They were probably looted to pay for the
Oil War... |
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| Info Junkie... |
| Posted: Sat Aug 29, 2009 8:22 am |
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On Aug 29, 10:54 am, Phlip <phlip2... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 29, 6:21 am, Info Junkie <bondr... at (no spam) att.net> wrote:
OTOH, you pointed to two more federally mandated government programs,
SS and Medicare. How are those programs doing for the "elder
retiree"? ROTFLMHO
After 8 years under the GOP? They were probably looted to pay for the
Oil War...
Noted is you "snipped" the questions asked, focusing instead on the
previous poster's straw man comment.
Also noted is another liberal...uh, progressive's claim but with no
evidence to back your flawed conclusion. If it's an "Oil War" then we
can also blame the democrats as they initially agreed to it and have
been the majority party in Congress since 2006.
Now try focusing son...answer the questions I've previously
asked....back your answers to my questions with evidence please. |
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