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| \"Jack\"-:)... |
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AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Republican HOODLUMS Dispatched to !
Intimidate Elected Officials!!!
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system being designed to save their lives, the lives of their
children, YOU, your children, familym, and friends.
Don't let them get away with it. Don't let them frighten you, with
LIES, as has been the practice of the Republican party for too long.
They've all but totally destroyed this once greater nation by
bankrupting it mentally, morally and financially.
Don't let them get away with it!!! Make sure to contact your
senators and congress persons to demand that they install a single
payer health plan to reign in the pharmaceutical, hospital, and
insurance providers who are more interested in their ill gotten
profits than they are the health and well being of you and ALL the
citizens of this once greater nation. If there is anything to fear,
it's the system which now is designed to take your money FIRST and
then your life when/if you go broike.
Don't let them get away with it!!! Stop the Swiftboaters in their
tracks!!! |
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| Stevie Nichts... |
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On Aug 3, 6:35�pm, "\"Jack\"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: �AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Republican HOODLUMS Dispatched to !
Intimidate Elected Officials!!!
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system
Yeah, we can't have those damn voters actually, you
know, confronting their elected representatives and
asking, you know, inconvenient questions. Who do
those rabble think they are -- Americans? |
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| \"Jack\"-:)... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:53 am |
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On Aug 4, 1:22�pm, "Jerry Okamura" <okamuraj... at (no spam) hawaii.rr.com> wrote:
Quote: You cannot possibly get the results you want, when someone else pays for
your needs. �The reason is simple. �When someone else pays for what you
need, you do not care how much it cost, you WILL take advantantage of that
"free care". �When they do not care how much it cost, and use the system,
you have lost the most effective means to control costs, and that is when
the user of the service is the one paying for the service. �As the cost of
the service rises, the organization that is paying for that service, has to
try to pay for the increase in cost. �But like taxes, people like to get the
service, they just don't like to pay for the service. �So, organizations and
government do not like to increase the fees they collect to pay for that
increase in cost. �So, their fallback position is to resort to some form of
rationing. �But there is a difference when someone else makes the rationing
decision for you and when you make that rationing decision. �When you make
the rationing decision, that was your choice. �When someone else makes that
rationing decision for you, you have not say in the matter, you won't get
the care you think you want or need. �And the fundamental problem is medical
inflation.
""Jack"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Republican HOODLUMS Dispatched to !
Intimidate Elected Officials!!!
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system being designed to save their lives, the lives of their
children, YOU, your children, familym, and friends.
Don't let them get away with it. �Don't let them frighten you, with
LIES, as has been the practice of the Republican party for too long.
They've all but totally destroyed this once greater nation by
bankrupting it mentally, morally and financially.
Don't let them get away with it!!! � Make sure to contact your
senators and congress persons to demand that they install a single
payer health plan to reign in the pharmaceutical, hospital, and
insurance providers who are more interested in their ill gotten
profits than they are the health and well being of you and ALL the
citizens of this once greater nation. � If there is anything to fear,
it's the system which now is designed to take your money FIRST and
then your life when/if you go broike.
Don't let them get away with it!!! �Stop the Swiftboaters in their
tracks!!!- Hide quoted text -
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THE RAATIONING DECISION IS NOW BEING MADE FOR YOU BY THE INSURANCE
COMPANIES. (excuse the caps)))- Emergency rooms now take in those
who might not otherwise be able to pay. What makes you think that
those, now covered by insurance, do not take advantage of the system.
No matter what the system, there are those who are inclined to defeat
it or take advantage of it to the fullest. We, the taxpayers, are
already saddled with the costs. BTW, when it comes to sharing, the
risk is being shared already That's what insurance is all about
People pool their resources. The smaller the pool, the greater the
expense. When everyone is covered (no free ride) a better system, at
lesser expense, will be the result.
Medicare is already a single payer entity. I don't know of anyone who
abuses that system. Are you aware of anyone who does??? The same
with veterans who are covered under another single payer plan. I know
of no one who misuses that system. Are you aware of anyone who
does???
Those who are against a single payer program are also against Social
Security, veterans benefits, and any/every government funded program.
Face it, Oki, we live in a semi-socialistic state as it is. When you
threaten to take away a benefit, people scream bloody murder When a
benefit presents a threat to those who capitaize/gouge to the point
where an expense is no longer possible to be met by the consumer, we
have a real problem. The system, as it exists, is bankrupting
indivduals and threatens to bankrupt the entire nation. Something has
to be done, my friend, and imnsho, single payer coverage is the only
way to go.
Sadly, the current legislation doesn't go all the way in setting up
the system I would seek. The hundreds of millions of dollars being
spent to propagandize to the benefit of the insurers, hopefully, will
not work. Under a single payer plan, those hundreds of millions woud
be going towards better healh care for all of us. They're taking
those millions out of the premiums we now pay. Using our own money to
defeat us is not uncommon for industries which gouge us into
brankruptcy (your money or your life) as they cry all the way to the
bank. 50,000 people a month are now losing their health care
benefits. YOU may end up in that group. There are no real guarantees
that you won't!!! |
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| fargo116... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:00 am |
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On Aug 4, 12:34 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 3, 6:35 pm, "\"Jack\"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Republican HOODLUMS Dispatched to !
Intimidate Elected Officials!!!
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system
Yeah, we can't have those damn voters actually, you
know, confronting their elected representatives and
asking, you know, inconvenient questions. Who do
those rabble think they are -- Americans?
Aren't we supposed to have a chance to answer those questions?
S. Olson |
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| Stevie Nichts... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:04 am |
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On Aug 4, 2:53�pm, "\"Jack\"-" <TaxServ... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: THE RAATIONING DECISION IS NOW BEING MADE FOR YOU BY THE INSURANCE
COMPANIES. (excuse the caps)))- �
Um, "rationing" is part of the free-market economy (and if
I need to explain that to you, you flunk Econ 101). In a
free market, people can choose for themselves whether to
pursue cost-effective strategies based on their own resources.
IOW, if you don't like the insuror's decisions, you're free to
get care elsewhere -- an alternative that simply doesn't exist
under the kind of single-payer system that Obama envisions.
Quote: Medicare is already a single payer entity. �I don't know of anyone who
abuses that system. �Are you aware of anyone who does??? �The same
with veterans who are covered under another single payer plan. �I know
of no one who misuses that system. �Are you aware of anyone who
does???
Are you serious? I mean, really? Medicare fraud is *rampant.*
Google "Medicare fraud." Go ahead; I'll wait. .... Did you see the
estimates? $60 billion a year for Medicare fraud alone?
Quote: Those who are against a single payer program are also against Social
Security, veterans benefits, and any/every government funded program.
Bzzt: piss-poor strawman. |
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| Stevie Nichts... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:06 am |
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On Aug 4, 3:00�pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 12:34�pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:35 pm, "\"Jack\"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system
Yeah, we can't have those damn voters actually, you
know, confronting their elected representatives and
asking, you know, inconvenient questions. Who do
those rabble think they are -- Americans?
Aren't we supposed to have a chance to answer those questions?
Why, yes. Yes, we are. Why, then, is Obama demanding
that Congress pass it! Pass it today! Don't read it, just vote on it! |
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| fargo116... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:10 am |
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On Aug 4, 1:06 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 3:00 pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:34 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:35 pm, "\"Jack\"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system
Yeah, we can't have those damn voters actually, you
know, confronting their elected representatives and
asking, you know, inconvenient questions. Who do
those rabble think they are -- Americans?
Aren't we supposed to have a chance to answer those questions?
Why, yes. Yes, we are. Why, then, is Obama demanding
that Congress pass it! Pass it today! Don't read it, just vote on it!
So why don't these dudes give people a chance to answer the questions
that they scream at them at the town halls? Is it because they aren't
really interested in an answer so much as they are in a chance to
scream at congresspeople?
S. Olson |
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| \"Jack\"-:)... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:12 am |
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On Aug 4, 3:06�pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 3:00 pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:34 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:35 pm, "\"Jack\"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system
Yeah, we can't have those damn voters actually, you
know, confronting their elected representatives and
asking, you know, inconvenient questions. Who do
those rabble think they are -- Americans?
Aren't we supposed to have a chance to answer those questions?
Why, yes. Yes, we are. Why, then, is Obama demanding
that Congress pass it! Pass it today! Don't read it, just vote on it!
We DID vote for Obama!!!- Many of us did so with the goal of having
a single payer OPTION!!! If you don't like the plan, go you own
way!!! Do your own thing!!!- The progam doesn't deny you that
right. |
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| Stevie Nichts... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:41 am |
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On Aug 4, 3:10�pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 1:06�pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:00 pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:34 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:35 pm, "\"Jack\"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system
Yeah, we can't have those damn voters actually, you
know, confronting their elected representatives and
asking, you know, inconvenient questions. Who do
those rabble think they are -- Americans?
Aren't we supposed to have a chance to answer those questions?
Why, yes. Yes, we are. Why, then, is Obama demanding
that Congress pass it! Pass it today! Don't read it, just vote on it!
So why don't these dudes give people a chance to answer the questions
that they scream at them at the town halls? Is it because they aren't
really interested in an answer so much as they are in a chance to
scream at congresspeople?
Who says they do? Besides single-payer proponents and
Obamabots, that is. |
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| Stevie Nichts... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 9:44 am |
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On Aug 4, 3:12�pm, "\"Jack\"-" <TaxServ... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 3:06 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:00 pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:34 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:35 pm, "\"Jack\"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system
Yeah, we can't have those damn voters actually, you
know, confronting their elected representatives and
asking, you know, inconvenient questions. Who do
those rabble think they are -- Americans?
Aren't we supposed to have a chance to answer those questions?
Why, yes. Yes, we are. Why, then, is Obama demanding
that Congress pass it! Pass it today! Don't read it, just vote on it!
We DID vote for Obama!!!- �Many of us did so with the goal of having
a single payer OPTION!!! �If you don't like the plan, go you own
way!!! �Do your own thing!!!- �The progam doesn't deny you that
right.
Obama boasted that that's exactly his goal:
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http://www.breitbart.tv/uncovered-video-obama-explains-how-his-health-care-plan-will-eliminate-private-insurance/
"I would hope that we could set up a system that
allows those who can go through their employer
to access a federal system or a state pool of
some sort. But I don't think we're going to be
able to eliminate employer coverage immediately.
There's going to be potentially some transition
process. I can envision a decade out or fifteen
years out or twenty years out."
Senator Obama speaking at the SEIU's New
Leadership Health Care Forum on March 24, 2007
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| Stevie Nichts... |
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On Aug 4, 3:41�pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 3:10 pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
So why don't these dudes give people a chance to answer the questions
that they scream at them at the town halls? Is it because they aren't
really interested in an answer so much as they are in a chance to
scream at congresspeople?
Who says they do? Besides single-payer proponents and
Obamabots, that is.
Oh, here's the answer:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/03/durbin-townhalls-gone-wild/
Carry on. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:43 am |
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On Aug 4, 1:41 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 3:10 pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 1:06 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:00 pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 12:34 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 3, 6:35 pm, "\"Jack\"- " <taxservice.fis... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system
Yeah, we can't have those damn voters actually, you
know, confronting their elected representatives and
asking, you know, inconvenient questions. Who do
those rabble think they are -- Americans?
Aren't we supposed to have a chance to answer those questions?
Why, yes. Yes, we are. Why, then, is Obama demanding
that Congress pass it! Pass it today! Don't read it, just vote on it!
So why don't these dudes give people a chance to answer the questions
that they scream at them at the town halls? Is it because they aren't
really interested in an answer so much as they are in a chance to
scream at congresspeople?
Who says they do? Besides single-payer proponents and
Obamabots, that is.
AGAIN, why don't these dudes give people a chance to answer the
questions that they scream at them at the town halls? Is it because
they aren't really interested in an answer so much as they are in a
chance to scream at congresspeople?
S. Olson |
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| fargo116... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 10:47 am |
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On Aug 4, 1:48 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 3:41 pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
On Aug 4, 3:10 pm, fargo116 <fargo... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
So why don't these dudes give people a chance to answer the questions
that they scream at them at the town halls? Is it because they aren't
really interested in an answer so much as they are in a chance to
scream at congresspeople?
Who says they do? Besides single-payer proponents and
Obamabots, that is.
Oh, here's the answer:
http://thinkprogress.org/2009/08/03/durbin-townhalls-gone-wild/
Carry on.
I wish you would answer the question you've been asked. What's wrong?
Are you afraid you got pegged? For the THIRD time now: Why don't these
dudes give people a chance to answer the questions that they scream at
them at the town halls? Is it because they aren't really interested in
an answer so much as they are in a chance to scream at congresspeople? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:12 am |
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On Aug 4, 3:04�pm, Stevie Nichts <nix2nic... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Aug 4, 2:53 pm, "\"Jack\"- " <TaxServ... at (no spam) aol.com> wrote:
THE RAATIONING DECISION IS NOW BEING MADE FOR YOU BY THE INSURANCE
COMPANIES. (excuse the caps)))-:)
Um, "rationing" is part of the free-market economy (and if
I need to explain that to you, you flunk Econ 101). In a
free market, people can choose for themselves whether to
pursue cost-effective strategies based on their own resources.
IOW, if you don't like the insuror's decisions, you're free to
get care elsewhere -- an alternative that simply doesn't exist
under the kind of single-payer system that Obama envisions.
Medicare is already a single payer entity. I don't know of anyone who
abuses that system. Are you aware of anyone who does??? The same
with veterans who are covered under another single payer plan. I know
of no one who misuses that system. Are you aware of anyone who
does???
Are you serious? �I mean, really? Medicare fraud is *rampant.*
Google "Medicare fraud." Go ahead; I'll wait. .... Did you see the
estimates? $60 billion a year for Medicare fraud alone?
Those who are against a single payer program are also against Social
Security, veterans benefits, and any/every government funded program.
Bzzt: piss-poor strawman.
Yo, Stevie!!! When you speak of Medicare fraud, the fraud is not
committed by the recipients It is fraud committed by doctors,
insurance companies, and those in the industry of gouging innocent
recipients |
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| Jerry Okamura... |
| Posted: Tue Aug 04, 2009 11:22 am |
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You cannot possibly get the results you want, when someone else pays for
your needs. The reason is simple. When someone else pays for what you
need, you do not care how much it cost, you WILL take advantantage of that
"free care". When they do not care how much it cost, and use the system,
you have lost the most effective means to control costs, and that is when
the user of the service is the one paying for the service. As the cost of
the service rises, the organization that is paying for that service, has to
try to pay for the increase in cost. But like taxes, people like to get the
service, they just don't like to pay for the service. So, organizations and
government do not like to increase the fees they collect to pay for that
increase in cost. So, their fallback position is to resort to some form of
rationing. But there is a difference when someone else makes the rationing
decision for you and when you make that rationing decision. When you make
the rationing decision, that was your choice. When someone else makes that
rationing decision for you, you have not say in the matter, you won't get
the care you think you want or need. And the fundamental problem is medical
inflation.
""Jack"-" <taxservice.fisher at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:4d1088ee-fccb-45fd-8088-cb42eb58b4e5 at (no spam) k6g2000yqn.googlegroups.com...
Quote: AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Republican HOODLUMS Dispatched to !
Intimidate Elected Officials!!!
AFRAID OF THE TRUTH - Gangs of Right Wing Republican HOODLUMS are
being dispatched to disrupt truthful discussions about the health care
system being designed to save their lives, the lives of their
children, YOU, your children, familym, and friends.
Don't let them get away with it. Don't let them frighten you, with
LIES, as has been the practice of the Republican party for too long.
They've all but totally destroyed this once greater nation by
bankrupting it mentally, morally and financially.
Don't let them get away with it!!! Make sure to contact your
senators and congress persons to demand that they install a single
payer health plan to reign in the pharmaceutical, hospital, and
insurance providers who are more interested in their ill gotten
profits than they are the health and well being of you and ALL the
citizens of this once greater nation. If there is anything to fear,
it's the system which now is designed to take your money FIRST and
then your life when/if you go broike.
Don't let them get away with it!!! Stop the Swiftboaters in their
tracks!!! |
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