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At my homepage www.rolf-martens.com I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Wednesday, 09 April 2008 (NWBC 363) Suggesting an Internet petition for kicking
the USA out of the UN
2008-04-09, 19:00 GMT:
I've earlier today sent three (replying) e-mails, as follows - except for the
quoted text in the first and third of them being abbreviated considerably here.
Replying e-mail 1 of 3 today,
[QUOTE:]
From:
Rolf Martens <rolf.martens at (no spam) comhem.se>
Date:
Wed, 09 April 2008 08:45 GMT
To:
Romi Elnagar <bluesapphire48 at (no spam) yahoo.com>
Cc:
modern marxism <modern_marxism at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; marxist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com
<marxist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; mot krig <mot_krig at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>;
USQuagmire at (no spam) yahoogroups.com <USQuagmire at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>;
MaoZeDong at (no spam) yahoogroups.com <MaoZeDong at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; maoist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com
<maoist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>
Subject:
Re: ["Iran attack" +] A ridiculous attack on the pro-workers activist Waistline
by small-time reactionary "MLL" mob member Charles F. Moreira
Thank you for your kind words about my article, Hajja - and yes, you're quite
right in saying that all that talk, by the US imperialists, of a "possible" war
of aggression of theirs against Iran, already in itself is dangerous.
In fact it's even more than that, isn't it. Those threats that they have been
uttering, publicly - helped and supported in this too by some phony"left"
purported adversaries of theirs, - are also directly ILLEGAL, according to the
UN Charter, which does not allow any state to behave like that.
One idea, a suggestion, of mine I'd like to put to you now, Hajja - after first
some lines of arguing for it:
I on my part already earlier have suggested - as of course only one grain of
sand in the desert, but why not gather international support for this among
ordinary people, above all? - KICK THE USA OUT OF THE UN!
That was the title of a "UNITE! Info" of mine, the #173en of that series, sent
out on 06.07.2002, and now at my homepage, at:
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23173en/U%21%20%23173en.tx
t.
Already then there were ample grounds for such an action, by the international
community.
I noted, back in 2002, some things which were publicly well-known and infamous,
and some which were not all that openly visible but which it was possible to
conclude with great certainty were serious crimes by the leadership of that
state too - these 13 or so crimes (summarized by me then in only 4 points but
there were many more):
01. That state's flagrant aggression against Afghanistan
02. Its leaders' criminally orchestrating the infamous terror attacks in the
USA itself on 11.09.2001, killing some 3,000 people, which they, further, not
only turned into an excuse - in the infamous "tradition" of the Nazi's
Reichstag fire in 1993 (etc) - for the abovementioned aggression against a
far-away and poor country, but turned into excuses for oppressing and
terrorizing, firstly, "their own" people even more, and, secondly, the people
in all other countries too.
(I didn't mention, in that Info, their likewise vile terror attack, in the same
immediate context, also against the AZF factory in Touloun, France, on
21.09.2001, which killed some 40 people, injured 2,400 more and devastated not
only that fertilizer-producing plant itself but large parts of the entire
Touloun too - this after the then French president, Chiraq, had made clear that
France was *not* going to support arbitrary aggressions by the US imperialists
and thus was "not with us; therefore against us", as those war criminals with
already a quite long record at that time were characterizing such standpoints.
I did write about this in my Infos ##154en-156en, in September-October 2001,
however. You didn't have to be a "Sherlock" to figure out that this event was
not "an accident", and who in fact were the guilty terrorists in that case
too.)
03. Openly-uttered war threats, already then (in mid-2002), against Iraq, and a
genocidal blockade against that country since several years back
04. Openly-uttered war threats, already then, against Iran
05. Openly-uttered war threats, already then, against the Democratic People's
Republic of Korea
06. The instigation and support, by the government of the USA, of the
largescale and genocidal war of aggression against the DR Congo from August
1998 on - a war which had already then killed over 4 million people
07. The instigation and support of the war against Palestine and the occupation
of that country from 1948 on, with massive bloodshed continuing each year.
Also a number of smaller wars of aggression, of a similar type.
08. The flagrant aggression against and the bombing of Yugoslavia in 1999
09. The sabotaging and sinking of the passenger ship "Estonia" in the Baltic on
28.09.1994, killing 856 people, among whom some 500 from Sweden. (This I in
that Info only charcterized as "most likely" another act of terrorism by the
government of the USA, but there really is certainty about the culprits in this
case too. One lawyer of a number of survivors, for instance, H. Witte, openly
and quite independently of me - who happen to know about a certain thing which
no doubt was an important part of the motive behind this (massively covered-up)
crime - has pointed to them as such, in a book of his. Another thing which I
noted in that Info, and in my #008en [part 1/5 etc] too, as "most likely" a
crime by the same people, was a "strange" fire, in a certain political
situation, at the airport of Düsseldorf, Germany, on 11.04.1996, which killed
11 people. That one I'm letting stand now as "only" a "most likely".)
Today, almost 6 years after that Info, there are some further things to add, of
course:
10. The flagrant aggression against Iraq from March 2003 on (a particularly
infamous, big and clearly visible thing)
And there are some no less important cases of *sneak* warfare against the
masses of people in the world:
11. The entire "green" (anti-industrial) warfare, engaged in above all by the
government of the USA (since the early 1970s, and more and more intensive for
each year that passes - this has killed many more people and caused much more
material destruction than all its openly-violent aggressions in that same time
taken together)
12. The terror campaign with non-existing "HIV" and "AIDS", orchestrated since
the early/mid-1980s above all by the US military's "EIS" ("Epidemic
Intelligence Service"), a "CIA within medicine", and also co-organized by the
better-known CIA itself, which so far likewise has killed millions and maimed
further millions
13. The attempted terror campaign (likewise "EIS"-directed), parallel to the
abovementioned, with "bird flu" and a non-existing "virus H5N1", in 2005-2006,
which did cause considerable damage and the death of some 100-200 people before
it was more or less totally exposed as a "War of the USA against Humanity" - as
was part of the title of one important book published in Germany - in the
spring of 2006.
In the 1930s, the then fascist-ruled Italy was expelled from the League of
Nations (the predecessor of the UN), on account of its aggression against
Ethiopia from 1935 on.
The crimes of the present-day regime in the USA of course are incomparably
bigger than that.of the Italian one in the 1930s.
Why should a country, under such a regime, be allowed to stay in the UN? Making
a total mockery, then, of the entire UN Charter, which does contain, on paper
at least, some not unimportant principles of international democracy and peace?
It should be KICKED OUT, I say. And of course everybody knows that the rather
similar (though much smaller-time) reactionary governments in the so-called
"rich", likewise internationally-exploiting, countries, would raise some rather
loud howls and yells against such a suggestion, if it were advanced by a larger
number of people. But that would not change the fact, I think, that one should
seek such support. Perhaps even some governments of the poorer countries might
be willing to give it some direct or indirect support. And probably many people
in the USA itself.
Which leads me to something which I'm proposing to you now, Hajji: Let's you
and me set up an *Internet petition,* directed to the UN General Assembly and
saying:
"KICK THE USA OUT OF THE UN!"
I have a little experience with such petitions - two in Swedish and one in
English I've been in on before, which in all those cases, true enough,
collected only few signatures, but were not quite insignificant anyway. They're
from 2003, 2004 respectively earlier this year, 2008, and can all still be seen
on the Net, here:
http://www.petitiononline.com/RelMSeek/petition.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/SaveBbNP/petition.html
http://www.petitiononline.com/CraDoPak/petition.html
A petition created by the two of us, say - you don't have to be many people
just to start such a thing - and continuing to be open for signing for several
years, with a rather short argumentation for it included as an explaining text
(for which signatories would not be responsible) - wouldn't that have good
chances of collecting quite a lot of signatures, by people in many countries,
and wouldn't it have a good propaganda effect too?
So what do you say, Hajja? If you're interested, we could discuss privately
what more concretely to write and how to organize this thing - it needn't take
all that much effort, and there's no hurry to set up such a thing up either. (I
on my part shall be relatively busy now in April, will have more time in May).
And if you have some friends who're (also) interested, all the better, of
course. But two people, that's really sufficient for organizing such things,
when you know that many will like an idea that you have - this is one of the
big advantages with the Internet.
Hereby this suggestion, thus! And I'm sending this reply of mine to several
mailing lists too, of course.
Rolf
(Malmö, Sweden
www.rolf-martens.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: Romi Elnagar
To: Rolf Martens
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 11:30 PM
Subject: Re: ["Iran attack" +] A ridiculous attack on the pro-workers activist
Waistline by small-time reactionary "MLL" mob member Charles F. Moreira
Rolf,
Your article is excellent, and I agree with most of it.
I have two concerns, though, about the war-mongering against Iran. First, is
that by beating the drums of war too loudly, the war-mongering class in
AmeriKKKa may find it almost impossible to back down. Is it possible that it
might become politically NECESSARY to wage war on Iran simply because the
war-mongerers have been talking about it for so long? I really don't know.
The other danger in war talk is, of course, what I call the Dr. Strangelove"
option, the possibility that some "loose cannon" lower down on the chain of
command will take all this talk seriously and start a nuclear exchange all by
himself. I do not think that this is at all impossible. Several months ago,
there was quite a flap here in the US when it was revealed that nuclear weapons
were sent from Barksdale Air Force Base in Louisiana without (apparently)
proper controls being exercised.
So, while we may safely assume that the rulers of Iran and the rulers of
AmeriKKKa are coordinating their public dance of sabre-rattling, there are
simply too many possibilities for something to go wrong.
That, IMHO, is why all this war talk is so dangerous.
Peace,
Hajja Romi
Rolf Martens <rolf.martens at (no spam) comhem.se> wrote:
I still think, Romi, that that particular "wolf", of an attack by US
imperialism on Iran, will *not* come. On why, see my "UNITE! Info #257en: Why
the talk of 'nuclear strikes against Iran'", from as far back as 16.04.2006, at
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/webstyle1/unite_info_257en.html.
Rolf M.
Malmö, Sweden
----- Original Message -----
From: Romi Elnagar
To: Rolf Martens
Sent: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 7:27 AM
Subject: Re: A ridiculous attack on the pro-workers activist Waistline by
small-time reactionary "MLL" mob member Charles F. Moreira
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article19684.htm
Petraeus Testimony Next Week Will Signal Iran Attack
By Paul Craig Roberts
06/04/08 "ICH' -- - April 5, 2008. Today the London Telegraph reported that
“British officials gave warning yesterday that America’s commander in Iraq will
declare that Iran is waging war against the US-backed Baghdad government. A
strong statement from General David Petraeus about Iran’s intervention in Iraq
could set the stage for a US attack on Iranian militiary facilities, according
to a Whitehall assessment.”
[A large piece of text snipped in this NWBC item]
Rolf Martens <rolf.martens at (no spam) comhem.se> wrote:
At my homepage www.rolf-martens.com I've added today, under "News with brief
comments":
Sunday, 06 April 2008 (NWBC 361) A ridiculous attack on the pro-workers
activist Waistline by small-time reactionary "MLL" mob member Charles F.
Moreira
2008-04-06, 21:33 GMT:
[A large piece of text snipped in this NWBC item. It was brought in full in
NWBC 361, of 06.04.2008.]
[END OF QUOTE]
Replying e-mail 2 of 3 today,
[QUOTE:]
From:
Rolf Martens <rolf.martens at (no spam) comhem.se>
Date:
Wed, 09 April 2008 10:16 GMT
To:
Romi Elnagar <bluesapphire48 at (no spam) yahoo.com>
Cc:
modern marxism <modern_marxism at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; marxist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com
<marxist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; mot krig <mot_krig at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>;
USQuagmire at (no spam) yahoogroups.com <USQuagmire at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>;
MaoZeDong at (no spam) yahoogroups.com <MaoZeDong at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; maoist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com
<maoist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>
Subject:
Re: ["Iran attack" +] A ridiculous attack on the pro-workers activist Waistline
by small-time reactionary "MLL" mob member Charles F. Moreira
I forgot to mention, Hajja, one more reason why the USA should be kicked out of
the UN:
14. Its government's organizing the assassination of Swedish Foreign Minister
Anna Lindh on 10.09.2003. See several "UNITE! Infos" at my homepage from late
2003 and from 2004, and the mailing list "Mordet på Anna Lindh", with some
texts also in English, at http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mordetpalindh/, plus
the already mentioned Internet petition at
http://www.petitiononline.com/RelMSeek/petition.html.
Rolf
(Malmö, Sweden
www.rolf-martens.com)
----- Original Message -----
From: Rolf Martens
To: Romi Elnagar
Cc: modern marxism ; marxist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com ; mot krig ;
USQuagmire at (no spam) yahoogroups.com ; MaoZeDong at (no spam) yahoogroups.com ; maoist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 10:45 AM
Subject: Re: ["Iran attack" +] A ridiculous attack on the pro-workers activist
Waistline by small-time reactionary "MLL" mob member Charles F. Moreira
Thank you for your kind words about my article, Hajja - and yes, you're quite
right in saying that all that talk, by the US imperialists, of a "possible" war
of aggression of theirs against Iran, already in itself is dangerous.
In fact it's even more than that, isn't it. Those threats that they have been
uttering, publicly - helped and supported in this too by some phony"left"
purported adversaries of theirs, - are also directly ILLEGAL, according to the
UN Charter, which does not allow any state to behave like that.
One idea, a suggestion, of mine I'd like to put to you now, Hajja - after first
some lines of arguing for it:
I on my part already earlier have suggested - as of course only one grain of
sand in the desert, but why not gather international support for this among
ordinary people, above all? - KICK THE USA OUT OF THE UN!
That was the title of a "UNITE! Info" of mine, the #173en of that series, sent
out on 06.07.2002, and now at my homepage, at:
http://www.rolf-martens.com/UNITE%21%20Infos/U%21%20%23173en/U%21%20%23173en.tx
t.
Already then there were ample grounds for such an action, by the international
community.
[END OF QUOTE]
Replying e-mail 3 of 3 today,
[QUOTE:]
From:
Rolf Martens <rolf.martens at (no spam) comhem.se>
Date:
Wed, 09 april 2008 18:13 GMT
To:
Romi Elnagar <bluesapphire48 at (no spam) yahoo.com>
Cc:
modern marxism <modern_marxism at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; marxist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com
<marxist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; mot krig <mot_krig at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>;
USQuagmire at (no spam) yahoogroups.com <USQuagmire at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>;
MaoZeDong at (no spam) yahoogroups.com <MaoZeDong at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>; maoist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com
<maoist at (no spam) yahoogroups.com>
Subject:
Re: ["Iran attack" +] A ridiculous attack on the pro-workers activist Waistline
by small-time reactionary "MLL" mob member Charles F. Moreira
Fair enough, Hajja. (And it was I who wrote that the "depleted uranium" issue
was a "red herring".) I shall probably return on this at some point or other
later, then, and pester you some more!
(I've trimmed away most of the earlier quoted text here, and once more it also
goes to some mailing lists.)
All the best,
Rolf
----- Original Message -----
From: Romi Elnagar
To: Rolf Martens
Sent: Wednesday, April 09, 2008 6:44 PM
Subject: Re: ["Iran attack" +] A ridiculous attack on the pro-workers activist
Waistline by small-time reactionary "MLL" mob member Charles F. Moreira
Dear Rolf,
Thanks for your offer of a petition about the US and the UN.
I have to be honest with you, though. Right now I am a little busy with spring
planting in my garden. It is really important to me because, first of all, I
think this economy is not in recession, it's beginning a depression, and
yes--it's all about greed on Wall Street.
More importantly, this garden project is getting me away from the computer. I
have been increasinly unwilling to face the mass of emails about US/Israeli
atrocities, etc. etc. and in fact I can hardly bear to think about it any more.
I need a break.
So, for right now, I am going to decline your offer. Actually, I already work
on petitions on that website, because a friend and I have been posting
petitions on behalf of individual prisoners at Guantanamo. Her name is Linda
Richard and she has a blog at freedetainees.org, if you are interested.
I also have a small Yahoo! group called American Conscience. I would have
invited you, but I figured you were busy. Also, I started it after putting
together a group about depleted uranium. If I recall correctly (and I have to
confess that after my stroke, my memory isn't that good), you told me that the
DU issue was a red herring. If this isn't right, maybe I have mixed you up
with someone else.
At any rate, American Conscience keeps me pretty busy when I am online. It is
meant to be a meeting place for people concerned about American abuses of
power, whatever their religious or political persuasion. The only restriction
is that we are nonviolent. Here in the US, I believe that is the ONLY way that
capitalism can be confronted, at least for the foreseeable future. Any idea
thatt blowing up bridges or kidnapping corporate executives will convince the
American people that our leaders are the most evil, corrupt, insane rulers in
history is crazy.
I do think your petition has merit, so perhaps when I feel a little more
enthused about confronting the monster, I will join you.
Best,
Hajja Romi
Rolf Martens <rolf.martens at (no spam) comhem.se> wrote:
Thank you for your kind words about my article, Hajja - and yes, you're quite
right in saying that all that talk, by the US imperialists, of a "possible" war
of aggression of theirs against Iran, already in itself is dangerous.
In fact it's even more than that, isn't it. Those threats that they have been
uttering, publicly - helped and supported in this too by some phony"left"
purported adversaries of theirs, - are also directly ILLEGAL, according to the
UN Charter, which does not allow any state to behave like that.
One idea, a suggestion, of mine I'd like to put to you now, Hajja - after first
some lines of arguing for it:
I on my part already earlier have suggested - as of course only one grain of
sand in the desert, but why not gather international support for this among
ordinary people, above all? - KICK THE USA OUT OF THE UN!
[A large piece of text snipped in this NWBC item]
[END OF QUOTE]
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Malmö, Sweden
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