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| Christopher Culver... |
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 2:37 am |
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Ruud Harmsen <realemailseesite13 at (no spam) rudhar.com.invalid> writes:
Quote: Interesting thesis. The development is too recent to really say. Hope
someone will google this up in the year 2500, and comment.
What a dystopian view of the future. For me, the ideal would be that
in 500 years Esperanto is long dead, English has ceased being the
international language with nothing replacing it, and a perfect and
enjoyable Babel willl have descended upon the world.
Christopher Culver
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| dmitri mosier/iowa city ia... |
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 8:56 pm |
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If you can contribute nothing to the discussion other than lame,
immature ad homina, you may considering not "contributing" at all, |
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| dmitri mosier/iowa city, Iowa... |
Posted: Fri Mar 31, 2006 9:12 pm |
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dmitri mosier/iowa city ia wrote:
Quote: If you can contribute nothing to the discussion other than lame,
immature ad hominems, you may considering not "contributing" at all, |
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| mb... |
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 12:55 am |
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dmitri mosier/iowa city ia wrote:
Quote: If you can contribute nothing to the discussion other than lame,
immature ad homina, you may considering not "contributing" at all,
The American plural is "add hominy" |
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:31 am |
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Christopher Culver wrote:
Quote: Ruud Harmsen <realemailseesite13 at (no spam) rudhar.com.invalid> writes:
Interesting thesis. The development is too recent to really say. Hope
someone will google this up in the year 2500, and comment.
What a dystopian view of the future. For me, the ideal would be that
in 500 years Esperanto is long dead, English has ceased being the
international language with nothing replacing it, and a perfect and
enjoyable Babel willl have descended upon the world.
I guess it will go on much like it used to. Esperanto will probably be
spoken among a band of followers, English will give way to some other
major language - Spanish, Portuguese, Hindi, Japanese, Chinese, or a
descendant of some of these. Your guess is as good as mine. In Africa,
minor languages will probably give way to regional lingua francas such
as Swahili and Sango. Out there, new languages will evolve as koinés
of mutually related dialects and languages (much in the way Swahili
evolved). Artistic conlangs comparable with Klingon and Quenya might
for idealistic reasons acquire communities of habitual, even native
speakers. It is not ruled out that some or one of these will acquire
significant importance in international communication, if it comes with
an attractive ideological package. It is also not ruled out that
Esperanto will become more important.
I do not share your antipathy towards Esperanto, but I am not an
Esperanto enthusiast either. I am rather neutral about it as a
language. I think it is a nice conlang, and as good a candidate for an
international auxlang as any. I have learnt its basics, but am usually
too busy with natural languages to take the trouble of becoming fluent. |
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Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 8:35 am |
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Alexei A. Frounze wrote:
Quote: phoglund at (no spam) abo.fi wrote:
Alexei A. Frounze kirjoitti:
Yeah, just find a guy or a gal who's a little bit nuts to marry
someone like you. Crazy enough to do that.
I gather you are the native speaker of the language of some jackbooted
imperialist conqueror nation who never took the trouble of learning
any minor languages and who finds the idea of revitalizing endangered
languages ridiculous.
The three mentioned languages were invented,
FYI, Coptic is not an invented language. It is an Afro-Asiatic
language, the daughter language of ancient Egyptian, written in a
Greek-based alphabet rather reminiscent of Cyrillic, and including a
heavy admixture of Greek loanwords. |
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| Alexei A. Frounze... |
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 1:44 pm |
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phoglund at (no spam) abo.fi wrote:
Quote: Alexei A. Frounze wrote:
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The three mentioned languages were invented,
FYI, Coptic is not an invented language.
I know, I was referring to Esperanto, Lojban and Klingon.
Alex |
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| Herman Rubin... |
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 4:34 pm |
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In article <1143686852.191007.308440 at (no spam) e56g2000cwe.googlegroups.com>,
<news13102005 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Alexei A. Frounze wrote:
phoglund at (no spam) abo.fi wrote:
Alexei A. Frounze kirjoitti:
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Quote: 25-member European Union is set towards becoming one country like the
50-member United States of America. Language diversity is the
foundation of both the EU and the US.
Language diversity has been allowed in the US, but has
not been encouraged at all until recently. There were
schools which used other languages, but even ESL was
largely for older immigrants in the past.
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are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
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hrubin at (no spam) stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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| Alexei A. Frounze... |
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:09 pm |
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Herman Rubin wrote:
Quote: Language diversity has been allowed in the US, but has
not been encouraged at all until recently. There were
schools which used other languages, but even ESL was
largely for older immigrants in the past.
I know a number of Russians here in the US, who had been born in the US or
came to the country at a very little age and they don't speak Russian well.
A few months back I saw a little boy and his dad at a supermarket. The dad
would speak Russian to the kid but the kid would always speak English back.
IMO, it sucks when you can't speak the same language with your family
members. I guess the language problem is still pretty much the problem of
immigrants. They're not prohibited to speak either language where
appropriate but they're not supported in learning the new language or the
language of parents.
Alex |
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| Herman Rubin... |
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 5:48 pm |
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In article <4988g0FnfsbqU1 at (no spam) individual.net>,
Alexei A. Frounze <alexfru at (no spam) chat.ru> wrote:
Quote: Herman Rubin wrote:
Language diversity has been allowed in the US, but has
not been encouraged at all until recently. There were
schools which used other languages, but even ESL was
largely for older immigrants in the past.
I know a number of Russians here in the US, who had been born in the US or
came to the country at a very little age and they don't speak Russian well.
A few months back I saw a little boy and his dad at a supermarket. The dad
would speak Russian to the kid but the kid would always speak English back.
IMO, it sucks when you can't speak the same language with your family
members. I guess the language problem is still pretty much the problem of
immigrants. They're not prohibited to speak either language where
appropriate but they're not supported in learning the new language or the
language of parents.
Alex
It is more than that. Until recently, most immigrants
decided that they should be American, not hyphenated
American, and this meant that their children should
grow up linguistically as American, but retaining those
aspects of their culture which they thought worthwhile.
My parents would not use any language other than English
at home unless they had guests who had difficulty with
English. Not all did this, but large numbers, and the
idea that the children should not be adept in English
was not at all common.
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This address is for information only. I do not claim that these views
are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin at (no spam) stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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| mb... |
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:38 pm |
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Herman Rubin wrote:
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Quote: My parents would not use any language other than English
at home unless they had guests who had difficulty with
English. Not all did this, but large numbers, and the
idea that the children should not be adept in English
was not at all common.
What exactly does that last sentence mean? |
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| mb... |
Posted: Sat Apr 01, 2006 7:38 pm |
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Herman Rubin wrote:
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Quote: My parents would not use any language other than English
at home unless they had guests who had difficulty with
English. Not all did this, but large numbers, and the
idea that the children should not be adept in English
was not at all common.
What exactly does that last sentence mean? |
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| Bob LeChevalier... |
Posted: Sun Apr 02, 2006 3:02 am |
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hrubin at (no spam) odds.stat.purdue.edu (Herman Rubin) wrote:
Quote: Language diversity has been allowed in the US, but has
not been encouraged at all until recently. There were
schools which used other languages,
There were public schools that were taught ENTIRELY in other
languages, especially German, up until around WWI. If that isn't
"encouraging diversity", I don't know what is.
lojbab |
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| Herman Rubin... |
Posted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 9:56 am |
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In article <1143934705.500291.78290 at (no spam) v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
mb <azythos2 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Herman Rubin wrote:
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My parents would not use any language other than English
at home unless they had guests who had difficulty with
English. Not all did this, but large numbers, and the
idea that the children should not be adept in English
was not at all common.
What exactly does that last sentence mean?
Not all immigrants did this, but large numbers did, ...
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are those of the Statistics Department or of Purdue University.
Herman Rubin, Department of Statistics, Purdue University
hrubin at (no spam) stat.purdue.edu Phone: (765)494-6054 FAX: (765)494-0558 |
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Posted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 11:39 pm |
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Herman Rubin wrote:
Quote: In article <1143934705.500291.78290 at (no spam) v46g2000cwv.googlegroups.com>,
mb <azythos2 at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
My parents would not use any language other than English
at home unless they had guests who had difficulty with
English. Not all did this, but large numbers, and the
idea that the children should not be adept in English
was not at all common.
What exactly does that last sentence mean?
Not all immigrants did this, but large numbers did, ...
Continue, please. |
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