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| ansermetniac... |
 Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:02 pm |
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Years ago, Dave and I were invited to visit Dave Liebman at his house
in Peconic. He played us a DAT of his new album. I told Lieb that it
sounded great and I never heard a sax sound so real on a recording.
Lieb said that I did not understand, it is the pre equalized tape,
before mastering. I asked why they could not leave it just as it is.
Lieb said, "Are you kidding, it will never sell"
So, if you think any CD or lp or cassette sounds "Real" you are sadly
mistaken. But you did not need this story to tell you that. Just
listen. You do not need to be the wind playing and Musical sound
expert at the Dave Guardala companies to hear the lumpy gravy they
pour on top of the Music due to incompetence and pandering to the
masses and the nitwit critics
People are so accsutomed to Psuedo-Music on recordings they would
freak if they werr given real Music and the asshole dial twiddlers
have been juicing for so long they don't klow what real sound sounds
like
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| Iain Churches... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 1:39 pm |
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"ansermetniac" <ansermetniac at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:n739f518vfdkh2q5sbe1q6l5020n3lvrj7 at (no spam) 4ax.com...
Quote: Years ago, Dave and I were invited to visit Dave Liebman at his house
in Peconic. He played us a DAT of his new album. I told Lieb that it
sounded great and I never heard a sax sound so real on a recording.
Lieb said that I did not understand, it is the pre equalized tape,
before mastering. I asked why they could not leave it just as it is.
Lieb said, "Are you kidding, it will never sell"
So, if you think any CD or lp or cassette sounds "Real" you are sadly
mistaken. But you did not need this story to tell you that. Just
listen. You do not need to be the wind playing and Musical sound
expert at the Dave Guardala companies to hear the lumpy gravy they
pour on top of the Music due to incompetence and pandering to the
masses and the nitwit critics
People are so accsutomed to Psuedo-Music on recordings they would
freak if they werr given real Music and the asshole dial twiddlers
have been juicing for so long they don't klow what real sound sounds
like
You are right as far as CDs go, there are many people who
are concerned about decisions made in the "mastering session"
that have an adverse effect upon the fidelity of the recording.
The concept of LP mastering was totally different. The goal
was always to try to transfer the contents of the master faithfully
to the lacquer master disk, which given the restrictions imposed
by the medium was a difficult but by no means impossible task.
Regarding CD's. This "mastering/post production" phase has
been discussed a million times at all levels.
The record companies are convinced that they are giving the public
what they (the public) want. Most pop CDs are made to sound as
loud as possible, to compete with rival product on radio, and to come
over well against high backgroung noise in the car. The mastering/
post production phase often includes heavy compression (even as far
as clipping) and smiley EQ. This treatment is rarely if ever given to
classical productions and one would have thought not usual on
jazz recordings either.
Terchnical returns of CDs are exceptionally low. This indicates that
generally speaking the public are happy with the product,. or too
lethargic to complain.
Your post here will do nothing to improve the situation..
You should be lobbying the technical quality control managers of
the record labels, who are convinced as the result of market research,
that they are providing acceptable product. 100,000 returns of
one specific CD might make them think again. |
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| ansermetniac... |
| Posted: Sat Nov 07, 2009 3:18 pm |
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On Sat, 7 Nov 2009 20:39:14 +0200, "Iain Churches"
<IainNG at (no spam) kolumbus.fi> wrote:
Quote: This treatment is rarely if ever given to
classical productions and one would have thought not usual on
jazz recordings either.
Wrong.- Unfortunately.
the problem is thus:
LPs were defensively mastered. One did not know if the user had a $100
cartridge a thousand dollar one or a one piece ceramic. The mids and
hiighs were boosted badly
People are now so accustomed to this sound, the manufacturers continue
the practice not realizing how bad it sounds within the lucidity of
CDs. Also dial twiddlers don't know what real sound is anymore. The
darling of the rock fans , Steve Hoffman, did a Stan Getz/Gerry
Mulligan and a Peggy Lee CD that was embarrasing in its lack of
understanding of the physics of Musical sound. And His Sax Colossus
made Sonny sound like Freddy Martin with hi boost of the bottom of his
sound. I guess he did not know that Sonny was one of those who bridged
Freddy Martin to Michael Brecker in the shape and color of his sound.
Classical is the worst. They record in reverberant halls instead of a
concert hall and add a wicked presence boost to compensate. This
covers all the Musical nuances of the blending of the instruments.
THIS is what the masses want. In the classical newsgroup, they have
denied my credentials and assassinated my character to justify their
approval of pseudo-Music on recordings. But they judge all
performances on one emotion only-excitement. Classical music has at
least one more emotion than that:-)
CDs brought the consumer closer than ever to parity when it comes to
equipment. This is when the industry had its chance to present Music
as Music. Instead they chose profits and pandered to the ignorant
masses.
The two new Beatle boxes of last month? Embarrassing
You are British? tell me why B&W 802's with their incredibly
unbalanced mids and hihgs that would deafen my dog and kill my plants
are regarded so highly in the U.K.?
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