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| Greg |
 Posted: Thu Dec 20, 2007 9:37 pm |
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I wonder what the album might have sounded like had Duran let Andy
assume a larger role. We all know that Liberty was an album that - at
the time was considered "Duran's most guitar-heavy record", but
unfortunately that idea was wasted with Warren-era DD...not that there
weren't decent songs from that album; like "Serious", and a few
others...
But, I would have loved to hear what could have been - had Andy been
the guitar player rather than Warren at that time, OR, had Duran Duran
tried that idea again, now, only with Andy free to assume the lead/
heavy influence in the songwriting.
Thoughts/ opinions?
I know I'd have liked that idea better than the club-music influence
(Timbaland-'Lake) of the current album, but thats just my opinion.
Imagine, instead of getting T & T to produce the album, DD instead would
have gotten someone with rock/ guitar influence (but of their punk/ new
wave roots) to produce it - along with Andy still there, obviously. |
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| Freddy Cellophane |
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 8:42 pm |
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On Dec 20, 8:37 pm, brunel...@webtv.net (Greg) wrote:
Quote: Imagine, instead of getting T & T to produce the album, DD instead would
have gotten someone with rock/ guitar influence (but of their punk/ new
wave roots) to produce it - along with Andy still there, obviously.
Nick would never let that happen to "his" band. |
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| Milt |
| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 12:21 pm |
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Greg wrote:
Quote: Imagine, instead of getting T & T to produce the album, DD instead would
have gotten someone with rock/ guitar influence (but of their punk/ new
wave roots) to produce it - along with Andy still there, obviously.
Imagine what would have happened if Andy would have been open to new
ideas and let the 3 Timbaland produced tracks on the album and stuck
around instead of bailing as soon as something was going to happen he
didn't like? We would have heard that album you wanted. Instead, he
bailed, just like in '86 and so that album was scrapped and a whole new
album recorded without his input or playing.
We would have Reportage with Nite Runner, Skin Divers and Zoom In.
Compromise is a wonderful thing and necessary when in a band. |
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| Cool Barn |
| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:23 pm |
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Actually Andy's leaving had nothing to do with not being open to new ideas
and working with different producers. If you check out Part 2 of the
interview at
http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/frontpageshowbiz/2007/12/18/duran-exclusive-pt-2-89520-20259401/
you will hear Simon say that Andy was actually very excited about working
with Timberlake and Timbaland. Simon states that he doesn't really know why
Andy left, but does say the other four wanted to give it one real last shot
but Andy probably had different things in mind for the band.
Anyway it's an interesting interview. I get the feeling Simon would have
loved to spill more beans, but apparently the band are "in negotiations"
with Andy and he didn't want to say anything which would prejudice that.
Hmmm....
"Milt" <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com> wrote in message
news:476d3902$0$16144$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Quote: Imagine what would have happened if Andy would have been open to new ideas
and let the 3 Timbaland produced tracks on the album and stuck around
instead of bailing as soon as something was going to happen he didn't
like? We would have heard that album you wanted. Instead, he bailed, just
like in '86 and so that album was scrapped and a whole new album recorded
without his input or playing.
We would have Reportage with Nite Runner, Skin Divers and Zoom In.
Compromise is a wonderful thing and necessary when in a band. |
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| PP |
| Posted: Sun Dec 23, 2007 7:04 pm |
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Wow...people are still talking about Andy just a few weeks after the album
is out? Proof positive that it sucks!
"Cool Barn" <NOSPAMcoolbarn@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:476d6425$0$4007$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Quote: Actually Andy's leaving had nothing to do with not being open to new ideas
and working with different producers. If you check out Part 2 of the
interview at
http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/frontpageshowbiz/2007/12/18/duran-exclusive-pt-2-89520-20259401/
you will hear Simon say that Andy was actually very excited about working
with Timberlake and Timbaland. Simon states that he doesn't really know
why Andy left, but does say the other four wanted to give it one real last
shot but Andy probably had different things in mind for the band.
Anyway it's an interesting interview. I get the feeling Simon would have
loved to spill more beans, but apparently the band are "in negotiations"
with Andy and he didn't want to say anything which would prejudice that.
Hmmm....
"Milt" <netrage@nospammiltsweb.com> wrote in message
news:476d3902$0$16144$4c368faf@roadrunner.com...
Imagine what would have happened if Andy would have been open to new
ideas and let the 3 Timbaland produced tracks on the album and stuck
around instead of bailing as soon as something was going to happen he
didn't like? We would have heard that album you wanted. Instead, he
bailed, just like in '86 and so that album was scrapped and a whole new
album recorded without his input or playing.
We would have Reportage with Nite Runner, Skin Divers and Zoom In.
Compromise is a wonderful thing and necessary when in a band.
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| WJB... |
| Posted: Wed May 07, 2008 1:48 am |
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How come DD play around with TimberLake/Land and get a fairly ordinary (and
not well received by the old fans) album yet Madonna does the same thing
which is widely hailed as her big American comeback?
"Hard Candy" is actually prety good. Takes on board the new style US muzak
yet retains her trademark commercialness. And the remixes sound more
dancefloor friendly. Maybe DD didn't push the new as hard as they
could/should...
Just some thoughts.
Cheers!
Wayne
"PP" <ppppp at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:nJBbj.142$Jm2.6 at (no spam) newsfe02.lga...
Quote:
Wow...people are still talking about Andy just a few weeks after the album
is out? Proof positive that it sucks!
"Cool Barn" <NOSPAMcoolbarn at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:476d6425$0$4007$afc38c87 at (no spam) news.optusnet.com.au...
Actually Andy's leaving had nothing to do with not being open to new
ideas and working with different producers. If you check out Part 2 of
the interview at
http://www.mirror.co.uk/showbiz/frontpageshowbiz/2007/12/18/duran-exclusive-pt-2-89520-20259401/
you will hear Simon say that Andy was actually very excited about working
with Timberlake and Timbaland. Simon states that he doesn't really know
why Andy left, but does say the other four wanted to give it one real
last shot but Andy probably had different things in mind for the band.
Anyway it's an interesting interview. I get the feeling Simon would have
loved to spill more beans, but apparently the band are "in negotiations"
with Andy and he didn't want to say anything which would prejudice that.
Hmmm....
"Milt" <netrage at (no spam) nospammiltsweb.com> wrote in message
news:476d3902$0$16144$4c368faf at (no spam) roadrunner.com...
Imagine what would have happened if Andy would have been open to new
ideas and let the 3 Timbaland produced tracks on the album and stuck
around instead of bailing as soon as something was going to happen he
didn't like? We would have heard that album you wanted. Instead, he
bailed, just like in '86 and so that album was scrapped and a whole new
album recorded without his input or playing.
We would have Reportage with Nite Runner, Skin Divers and Zoom In.
Compromise is a wonderful thing and necessary when in a band.
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| John McCabe... |
| Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:46 am |
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"WJB" <a at (no spam) b.c> wrote:
Quote: How come DD play around with TimberLake/Land and get a fairly ordinary
That's a matter of opinion - I like it a lot!
Quote: (and not well received by the old fans) album
That's true, but...
Quote: yet Madonna does the same thing
which is widely hailed as her big American comeback?
.... it would appear that the fans of Duran Duran who don't like the
new album just want them to re-create Rio or Seven & The Ragged Tiger
over and over again. Many of them seem to have disappeared in the
"lean" years and only come back at Astronaut because it was the "fab
five" back together and it was, in a way, reminiscent of their earlier
stuff.
Madonna on the other hand has never really gone away. Her profile has
remained constantly high, and her output is as diverse as ever. It
seems to me that Madonna fans are much more tolerant of her
ever-changing style than Duran Duran fans ever were, and working with
Timberlake/Timbaland is just another evolution of her work.
Quote: "Hard Candy" is actually prety good. Takes on board the new style US muzak
yet retains her trademark commercialness. And the remixes sound more
dancefloor friendly. Maybe DD didn't push the new as hard as they
could/should...
I haven't heard the album, and probably won't, mainly as the singles
don't appeal to me but the thing with Madonna is that, even when she
puts out rubbish (which, I think, is pretty often!) her fans just lap
it up and she picks up a few more on the way.
I think Duran Duran fans just aren't that tolerant/flexible! |
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| Cool Barn... |
| Posted: Sun May 18, 2008 1:42 am |
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Good points John.
I also don't think it's fair to compare Duran Duran with Madonna for one
important reason - Duran are a group while Madonna is a solo artist.
Let's take Duran's last effort. Personally I hate Red Carpet Massacre and
feel it is easily the band's worst album, but a lot of Durannies love it and
that's cool. I have two main gripes with the album - firstly a distinct
lack of catchy hooks and melodies (especially in the choruses, some of the
verses are okay) that just stay in your head and mesmerize you. The second
complaint is the awful sound of the rhythm section (drums/bass). In my
opinion John's predominantly synth bass sounds so weak in most of the songs
(and is pretty much non-existent in others), while Roger does not show any
skill whatsoever on the album (no cool fills, hi-hat work etc, it's all just
boring programmed beats which considering I took up the drums because of
Roger Taylor disappoints me as both a fan and "student" of his).
I'm not the first to comment on this. That means that Durannies who are
fans of John and Roger as musicians might be disappointed with the album,
whereas Madonna fans wouldn't have such a complaint. Provided she sings on
the songs that is what her fans want, they don't care if the session musos
she works with use synth bass or programmed drum beats or whatever. As long
as they like the groove of the song that is all they care about, they don't
care about the instrumentation as such.
But SOME Duran Duran fans do care about the instrumentation because they
happen to enjoy their favourite member's ability and contribution to the
songs. If this is considered lacklustre or disappointing they will complain
while the Madonna fans couldn't care less.
My thoughts anyway :-)
"John McCabe" <john at (no spam) nospam.assen.demon.co.uk.nospam> wrote in message
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Quote: "WJB" <a at (no spam) b.c> wrote:
How come DD play around with TimberLake/Land and get a fairly ordinary
That's a matter of opinion - I like it a lot!
(and not well received by the old fans) album
That's true, but...
yet Madonna does the same thing
which is widely hailed as her big American comeback?
... it would appear that the fans of Duran Duran who don't like the
new album just want them to re-create Rio or Seven & The Ragged Tiger
over and over again. Many of them seem to have disappeared in the
"lean" years and only come back at Astronaut because it was the "fab
five" back together and it was, in a way, reminiscent of their earlier
stuff.
Madonna on the other hand has never really gone away. Her profile has
remained constantly high, and her output is as diverse as ever. It
seems to me that Madonna fans are much more tolerant of her
ever-changing style than Duran Duran fans ever were, and working with
Timberlake/Timbaland is just another evolution of her work.
"Hard Candy" is actually prety good. Takes on board the new style US muzak
yet retains her trademark commercialness. And the remixes sound more
dancefloor friendly. Maybe DD didn't push the new as hard as they
could/should...
I haven't heard the album, and probably won't, mainly as the singles
don't appeal to me but the thing with Madonna is that, even when she
puts out rubbish (which, I think, is pretty often!) her fans just lap
it up and she picks up a few more on the way.
I think Duran Duran fans just aren't that tolerant/flexible!
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