ok you got me there.
i forgot to mention U2.

hes NO 1 on the charts!!! he sellin a lot more units that
THE WHO!!! or PEARL JAM!!  or the ARCADE FIRE!!! maybe even the U2!!!!

 and no live versions
of the GREAT NEW SONGS!!!!!! whats goin on?? they seem to be a bit TOO
GRUMPY!

On Feb 19, 11:40 am, musica... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

hes NO 1 on the charts!!! he sellin a lot more units that
THE WHO!!! or PEARL JAM!!  or the ARCADE FIRE!!! maybe even the U2!!!!

Nah, U2 are still a very big band with a lot of younger fans. I'm
guessing their new album will sell a lot more than WOAD. Their last
one in 2004 went triple platinum in the US.

 and no live versions
of the GREAT NEW SONGS!!!!!! whats goin on?? they seem to be a bit TOO
GRUMPY!

I gotta say, I don't get the conjecture that these songs won't work in
concert simply because they're very "produced" on the album. I'm
looking forward to hearing what Bruce does with most of these tunes in
concert, especially the ones I don't care for on the record.

-Jyqm

I can understand not liking the singing. But I'm very surprised you think
the melodies are boring, especially on Magic. Magic was the first time he'd
had more than couple discernable melodies on an album in years. What was the
last Bruce album to have that many good melodies?

Yet your faves seem to be Last Carnival and Wrestler. Where are the melodies
there?

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On Feb 17, 8:13 pm, musica... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

its CALLED CHARACHTER, back in the day folk used to like mistakes and
imperfections. back in the day nobody wanted to sound too white. like
SHUGGIE OTIS one of the great said, 'back then we made a mistake we
fought to keep it in, it sounded so good. nowadays the put the
computer to it
and clean it right up messin it totally up. dreck.

as for GIRLS IN THE SUMMER CLOTHES its one BRUCE great tracks sung
like
it SUPPOSED to be sung. you caint sing a CHARLEY PATTON song with
a voice from one of them TV people they got now, dont recall the names
but
they all sing the same.

"Yes, that's exactly it. I would greatly prefer it if Bruce sang his
songs without any character in his voice whatsoever, and if he used a
computer to correct all of his vocals so that he could sound like a
bland TV pop singer. That is exactly what I am saying."

I think you missed his point, which is, those songs needed to be sung
that
way. How else you gonna sing em?

"the DIAPHRAGM?? i dont know that RABBIT BROWN sang from
the DIAPHRAGM nor ROBERT JOHNSON or even WEBB PIERCE for that matter."

No, but some songs on this album are more like Frank Sinatra than Robert
Johnson. I don't know it's it's singing from the diaphagm, but it's more
melodic singing, sustaining notes, requiring a stronger voice.

"i belevie what they want over at the BRUCE BOARD is that BRUCE sign
like that fellow from PEARL JAMS or the one from THE WHO> forget it
BRUCE is into the MUSICOLOGY THING>"

Yeah, I think they forgot their pop "roots"!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

"i dont KNOW what goin on amongst your BRUCERS!!  GRUMPY!!
turns out that now everythin is a BIG PROBLEM!!! for many years BRUCE
records have lacked MELODIES and HARMONY, now they got COOL ONES but
they are no good for em, they find them BORIN!!!"

Yeah, that I don't get. These songs are all about melody. I do think the
ones on Magic were better than these, but these are good too!

"the voice is either TOO MELLOW or TOO STRAININ!!!! its one thing or
the other!!! its either WALMART or POLITICS or hes not sellin too many
units!!!! hes NO 1 on the charts!!!"

Well, some folks have agendas ....

" he sellin a lot more units that
THE WHO!!! or PEARL JAM!!  or the ARCADE FIRE!!! maybe even the U2!!!!
so BRUCE is doin PRETTY GOOD on that
front. and musicology wise, BRUCE GOT IT GOIN!! folks seem to question
BRUCE musicology credentials!!!!!!!!!!!!!!  and no live versions
of the GREAT NEW SONGS!!!!!! whats goin on?? they seem to be a bit TOO
GRUMPY!"

I think it's possible many are stuck in the days of yore with the Darkness
and BTR and The River and WIESS. Look at the "5 Bruce lines that struck you"
thread, most chose from those 4 albums.

MAGIC is all the same as opposed to BORN TO RUN??? BORN
to RUN songs are UNIQUELY to each other???

BRUCE aint ENO

That's just singing from the diaphragm (sp?). These songs don't seem to
call
for either the twang, the whisper-breath thing, or the BITUSA yelling; I
think he sung em the way they needed to be sung.
I'm guessing you don't think his singing is "rock & roll" enough?

its GOT BIG PROBLEMS!! strainin croonin!!! like BING CROSBY swining on
one of BIG RUBBER BANDS over a FREEWAY!!

i think that the MOVERS and SHAKERS at the BRUCE boards like
the who
pearl jam
arcade fires
and thats it.
they caint relate to the good musicology

Could it be that this album is more about singing and melody and harmony
than any other Bruce album, and you're just not used to it? That you're
more
used to Bruce albums filled with "meaningful" lyrics and catch-prases with
iconic fist-pumping potential?

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That's just singing from the diaphragm (sp?). These songs don't seem to
call
for either the twang, the whisper-breath thing, or the BITUSA yelling; I
think he sung em the way they needed to be sung.
I'm guessing you don't think his singing is "rock& roll" enough?

"No, I think his singing just sounds vaguely uncomfortable. It sounds
forced to me on some of these songs, as though he's pushing his voice
to hit the notes in whatever key he's in at the expense of a bit more
expression (of course, the painfully boring melodies on a lot of these
songs might make the expression complaint moot -- that's my other
major problem with these last two albums)."

I can understand not liking the singing. But I'm very surprised you think
the melodies are boring, especially on Magic. Magic was the first time he'd
had more than couple discernable melodies on an album in years. What was the
last Bruce album to have that many good melodies?

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On Feb 17, 8:13 pm, musica... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

its CALLED CHARACHTER, back in the day folk used to like mistakes and
imperfections. back in the day nobody wanted to sound too white. like
SHUGGIE OTIS one of the great said, 'back then we made a mistake we
fought to keep it in, it sounded so good. nowadays the put the
computer to it
and clean it right up messin it totally up. dreck.

as for GIRLS IN THE SUMMER CLOTHES its one BRUCE great tracks sung
like
it SUPPOSED to be sung. you caint sing a CHARLEY PATTON song with
a voice from one of them TV people they got now, dont recall the names
but
they all sing the same.

"Yes, that's exactly it. I would greatly prefer it if Bruce sang his
songs without any character in his voice whatsoever, and if he used a
computer to correct all of his vocals so that he could sound like a
bland TV pop singer. That is exactly what I am saying."

I think you missed his point, which is, those songs needed to be sung
that
way. How else you gonna sing em?

"the DIAPHRAGM?? i dont know that RABBIT BROWN sang from
the DIAPHRAGM nor ROBERT JOHNSON or even WEBB PIERCE for that matter."

No, but some songs on this album are more like Frank Sinatra than Robert
Johnson. I don't know it's it's singing from the diaphagm, but it's more
melodic singing, sustaining notes, requiring a stronger voice.

"i belevie what they want over at the BRUCE BOARD is that BRUCE sign
like that fellow from PEARL JAMS or the one from THE WHO> forget it
BRUCE is into the MUSICOLOGY THING>"

Yeah, I think they forgot their pop "roots"!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I'm all about melody and harmony and good singing. I
would love to hear Bruce do an album of songs with interesting, catchy
melodies. But that's not what I hear when I listen to most of the
songs on these last two albums -- the melodies on most of these songs
bore me to tears.

BRUCE music is ABOUT GOOD COOL GROOVES and HOOKS!! it dont matter if
the LINES ASCEND OR DESCEND!!!! its ROCK AND ROLL . LITTLE RICHARD
TYPE MUSIC!!!

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On Feb 17, 8:13 pm, musica... at (no spam) gmail.com wrote:

its CALLED CHARACHTER, back in the day folk used to like mistakes and
imperfections. back in the day nobody wanted to sound too white. like
SHUGGIE OTIS one of the great said, 'back then we made a mistake we
fought to keep it in, it sounded so good. nowadays the put the
computer to it
and clean it right up messin it totally up. dreck.

as for GIRLS IN THE SUMMER CLOTHES its one BRUCE great tracks sung
like
it SUPPOSED to be sung. you caint sing a CHARLEY PATTON song with
a voice from one of them TV people they got now, dont recall the
names
but
they all sing the same.

"Yes, that's exactly it. I would greatly prefer it if Bruce sang his
songs without any character in his voice whatsoever, and if he used a
computer to correct all of his vocals so that he could sound like a
bland TV pop singer. That is exactly what I am saying."

I think you missed his point, which is, those songs needed to be sung
that
way. How else you gonna sing em?

"the DIAPHRAGM?? i dont know that RABBIT BROWN sang from
the DIAPHRAGM nor ROBERT JOHNSON or even WEBB PIERCE for that matter."

No, but some songs on this album are more like Frank Sinatra than Robert
Johnson. I don't know it's it's singing from the diaphagm, but it's more
melodic singing, sustaining notes, requiring a stronger voice.

"i belevie what they want over at the BRUCE BOARD is that BRUCE sign
like that fellow from PEARL JAMS or the one from THE WHO> forget it
BRUCE is into the MUSICOLOGY THING>"

Yeah, I think they forgot their pop "roots"!- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -


"i dont KNOW what goin on amongst your BRUCERS!! GRUMPY!!
turns out that now everythin is a BIG PROBLEM!!! for many years BRUCE
records have lacked MELODIES and HARMONY, now they got COOL ONES but
they are no good for em, they find them BORIN!!!"

Yeah, that I don't get. These songs are all about melody. I do think the
ones on Magic were better than these, but these are good too!

"the voice is either TOO MELLOW or TOO STRAININ!!!! its one thing or
the other!!! its either WALMART or POLITICS or hes not sellin too many
units!!!! hes NO 1 on the charts!!!"

Well, some folks have agendas ....

" he sellin a lot more units that
THE WHO!!! or PEARL JAM!! or the ARCADE FIRE!!! maybe even the U2!!!!
so BRUCE is doin PRETTY GOOD on that
front. and musicology wise, BRUCE GOT IT GOIN!! folks seem to question
BRUCE musicology credentials!!!!!!!!!!!!!! and no live versions
of the GREAT NEW SONGS!!!!!! whats goin on?? they seem to be a bit TOO
GRUMPY!"

I think it's possible many are stuck in the days of yore with the Darkness
and BTR and The River and WIESS. Look at the "5 Bruce lines that struck
you" thread, most chose from those 4 albums.
I saw that also...and tried to come up with at least one line from every