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| ansermetniac... |
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Has Berklee produced a Saxophonist of Importance Since Branford?
And who is their current Sax Faculty?
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| Bolivar... |
| Posted: Mon Nov 02, 2009 1:36 pm |
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Bill Pierce?
On 2 Nov., 19:36, ansermetniac <ansermetn... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: Has Berklee produced a Saxophonist of Importance Since Branford?
And who is their current Sax Faculty?
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| Posted: Tue Nov 03, 2009 7:18 am |
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I don't want to put words in to Abedd's mouth, but I think I know why
he has asked the first question and I would like to try to answer
both, although given his awesome internet chops I am certain he knows
the answer to the second.
To answer the second question first, Fred Lipsus, George Garzone, Bill
Pierce are all on the faculty. Andy McGhee, one of Branford's
teachers, is emeritus and may or may not be teaching.
As to the first question, I must say I think the question is one that
reflects a false view of any school, usually provoked by someone
saying something like "Player x is at Berklee (or NE Conservatory,
Oberlin, Peabody) so they are great." Berklee, and a lot of other
places, including but not limited to Miami, University of North Texas,
Eastman, Indiana, Northwestern, Eastman, Julliard, Curtis -insert the
name of a good school here- provide training. All of them provide
excellent training and opportunities, and they produce many, good,
professional musicians. Asking "Has Berklee produced a Saxophonist of
Importance Since Branford?" is the same as asking "Has Julliard
produced a Violinist of Importance Itzhak Perlman?" Perlmans and
Marsalises aren't made, they are born and nurtured.
In interest of full disclosure, I was at Berklee at the same time as
Branford and I benefitted from the school and make my living playing
and teaching music. I am a competent, professional musician. I am not
a Branford, Ralph Moore, Eric Marienthal, or Scott Robinson, all of
whom were there at the same time as I. The school was, and I believe
is now, an excellent place to study music. It is not, and never was,
a magic genius-making machine.
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| tom mahnken... |
| Posted: Wed Nov 04, 2009 4:37 am |
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And frankly, if you are a good music educator, and/or a musician who
is spreading both the joy of music and the love of the sax, then you
are a "Saxophonist of Importance" as far as I am concerned.
On Nov 3, 12:18 pm, anonrob <hughesr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: I don't want to put words in to Abedd's mouth, but I think I know why
he has asked the first question and I would like to try to answer
both, although given his awesome internet chops I am certain he knows
the answer to the second.
To answer the second question first, Fred Lipsus, George Garzone, Bill
Pierce are all on the faculty. Andy McGhee, one of Branford's
teachers, is emeritus and may or may not be teaching.
As to the first question, I must say I think the question is one that
reflects a false view of any school, usually provoked by someone
saying something like "Player x is at Berklee (or NE Conservatory,
Oberlin, Peabody) so they are great." Berklee, and a lot of other
places, including but not limited to Miami, University of North Texas,
Eastman, Indiana, Northwestern, Eastman, Julliard, Curtis -insert the
name of a good school here- provide training. All of them provide
excellent training and opportunities, and they produce many, good,
professional musicians. Asking "Has Berklee produced a Saxophonist of
Importance Since Branford?" is the same as asking "Has Julliard
produced a Violinist of Importance Itzhak Perlman?" Perlmans and
Marsalises aren't made, they are born and nurtured.
In interest of full disclosure, I was at Berklee at the same time as
Branford and I benefitted from the school and make my living playing
and teaching music. I am a competent, professional musician. I am not
a Branford, Ralph Moore, Eric Marienthal, or Scott Robinson, all of
whom were there at the same time as I. The school was, and I believe
is now, an excellent place to study music. It is not, and never was,
a magic genius-making machine.
Rob |
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| saxxsymbol... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 3:45 am |
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On Nov 4, 9:37 am, tom mahnken <tommahn... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
Quote: And frankly, if you are a good music educator, and/or a musician who
is spreading both the joy of music and the love of the sax, then you
are a "Saxophonist of Importance" as far as I am concerned.
On Nov 3, 12:18 pm, anonrob <hughesr... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
I don't want to put words in to Abedd's mouth, but I think I know why
he has asked the first question and I would like to try to answer
both, although given his awesome internet chops I am certain he knows
the answer to the second.
To answer the second question first, Fred Lipsus, George Garzone, Bill
Pierce are all on the faculty. Andy McGhee, one of Branford's
teachers, is emeritus and may or may not be teaching.
As to the first question, I must say I think the question is one that
reflects a false view of any school, usually provoked by someone
saying something like "Player x is at Berklee (or NE Conservatory,
Oberlin, Peabody) so they are great." Berklee, and a lot of other
places, including but not limited to Miami, University of North Texas,
Eastman, Indiana, Northwestern, Eastman, Julliard, Curtis -insert the
name of a good school here- provide training. All of them provide
excellent training and opportunities, and they produce many, good,
professional musicians. Asking "Has Berklee produced a Saxophonist of
Importance Since Branford?" is the same as asking "Has Julliard
produced a Violinist of Importance Itzhak Perlman?" Perlmans and
Marsalises aren't made, they are born and nurtured.
In interest of full disclosure, I was at Berklee at the same time as
Branford and I benefitted from the school and make my living playing
and teaching music. I am a competent, professional musician. I am not
a Branford, Ralph Moore, Eric Marienthal, or Scott Robinson, all of
whom were there at the same time as I. The school was, and I believe
is now, an excellent place to study music. It is not, and never was,
a magic genius-making machine.
Rob
I agree 100%. To imply that only great, famous players are of
importance is absurd. Without guys like Rob and the rest of the
teachers out there there would be far, far fewer great sax players.
Hailey received a full scholarship at Berklee, that says something.
Now, will she be as big a Bradford? Like I said, the music world is
different now. I don't see anybody making it huge playing old school
jazz. The market base is too small.
That said, I have her new CD Confeddie and it is a good one.
So many sax snobs complain that nobody plays "real jazz" anymore. Yet,
when a young player comes out with a " real jazz " CD the player is
met with complaints from those same people that they are no Bradford
or Parker, or Cannonball and they could never be as good as them, or
any number of other criticisms aimed to shoot down the younger player
and somehow protect the antagonists view of their particular sax hero
as the greatest ever. Well, their hero was a young player once too.
Probably even played a bad note or two while learning their craft.
Just saying.............
Why don't we encourage and support a good young player when they play
"real jazz" ?
Look her up on You Tube, Check out Adam Carrillo too. Both play "real
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| ansermetniac... |
| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 9:04 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:45:56 -0800 (PST), saxxsymbol
<saxxsymbol at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: To imply that only great, famous players are of
importance is absurd.
If you use paranoia to misinterpret my meaning, yes
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| Posted: Thu Nov 05, 2009 7:08 pm |
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On Nov 5, 8:04 am, ansermetniac <ansermetn... at (no spam) hotmail.com> wrote:
Quote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 05:45:56 -0800 (PST), saxxsymbol
saxxsym... at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
To imply that only great, famous players are of
importance is absurd.
If you use paranoia to misinterpret my meaning, yes
Abbedd
I think you have to look at Branford as a historical phenomenon, i.e.
take into account his appearance at a moment ripe for the sort of
nostalgic & intellectual review of jazz history that the Marsalis
Brothers inspired. The music was just at that point, ripe for that
look backward and historicizing, and this has everything to do with
society at that time. Remember, Spike Lee's prominence, the "multi-
cultural" '80s and all that.
I love Branford's playing, personally, but musically I don't find him
that exciting from the point of view of innovation or beauty of sound
(I realize this could be that I just don't get his recent turn toward
an aggressive, perhaps somewhat more bitterly cool, more brittle sort
of sound.
I would think it would make more sense to talk about Steve Coleman
being an innovator, from a purely aesthetic point of view, but society
hasn't really been ready to deal with him, nor is it at a place where
anybody on Charlie Rose, for example, knows what to make of him.
"Important" implies so many things without acknowledging that it
does. I'm referring to the language, & common parlance, not the user.
Good comment by Rob above, by the way. |
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| ansermetniac... |
| Posted: Fri Nov 06, 2009 4:48 am |
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On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 21:08:56 -0800 (PST), inquiries at (no spam) justsaxes.com
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Quote: I just don't get his recent turn toward
an aggressive, perhaps somewhat more bitterly cool, more brittle sort
of sound.
He does not play Guardala Mouthpieces anymore
The Fatboy Soprano I designed for him was anything but brittle
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eRWUsAxZF50
Guadrala Mouthpiece and Sax-Tenor
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