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Zeke...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 9:10 pm
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"colonialacres" <colonialacres at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
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Thanks for taking the time to write that.

Come on man, you'll know I'll use ANY excuse, subject matter, etc....

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and usually in hot weather.

Yup. Kids don't linger in the alleys in the wind & rain. (Or when
it's -11)

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That picture did remind me of Oakland, and the oldest parts of San
Leandro.

I don't know San Leandro (other than it's a shithole) but there are parts of
Oakland that look so much like parts of Avondale it's uncanny. Must be all
those old two & three story wood-frame houses. You could lift up entire
blocks, plop them down in either place and no one would be the wiser.

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Although I'm a child of the 'burbs, I did experience some of that city
nights stuff as a teenager, I had a close friend (and we're still close
now) who lived on 165th Ave in San Leandro, which is very city. I spent
the majority of my high school life at his place.

Similar to my situation. I came from great parents, not collitch edumakated
but sharp as tacks. We were a solid family and our house was on a very nice
street, well-maintained, all the homes looked like mini-farm houses. But
the heterogeneous nature of our neighborhood meant there was shit happening
all around. You were never more than two blocks from trouble.

Plus, in Chicago kids rule. Don't know why it is that way, just know I've
never lived anyplace like it. The nighttime streets are churning with
teenagers doing whatever they please. I suppose it's changed since my day.
The culture has become more coarse. Now it's just good kids inside, bad
kids outside. In our day there was no inside. Everyone was outside all the
time. No way the place is that much fun anymore.

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It was kind of a scarey place to hang out, with junkies, heavy cats and
whores out on the corner half a block away, and such,

We had junkies but we knew them and had grown up with them. It wasn't a
neighborhood where people came to cop junk and nobody was selling it on the
street or in the parks. Our junkies had to go get their junk from the
neighborhoods directly south and southeast of us.

We felt sorry for the junkies. Most were weak people who had succumbed to
life's temptations and had no way out. Several died from ODs. They were
not scary like an unknown junky is scary, they were just pitiful.

We didn't have whores on the streets. Ours was a working-class neighborhood
and people worked hard all day, watched TV and slept at night. It was
mostly kids out after dark. Kids and people coming home from the taverns.
Of course there were taverns everywhere. Chicago: a tavern every 10 feet.

We did have two working girls who kept an apartment on North Troy Street. I
only knew their business because I burned their pimp's garbage and one night
I had to go tell one of them to "get ready" because a client was on the way.
She had been talking on the phone and her pimp couldn't get through to her
so he sent me over with the message. It was before call waiting.

Anyway, I burned this asshole's garbage in exchange for smokes. I was 13
and smokes were still a hassle to buy with regularity. It depended on the
store and who was behind the counter. This guy owned a store where he was
bookie, fence, pusher, pimp, you name it. He needed his garbage burned on a
daily basis and I needed my daily pack of Kool Filter Kings. It was
symbiosis, but the guy was an ultra-violent asshole.

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I can see how that music would be a good soundtrack for that scene.

But the question remains...IS THIS MUSIC RETARDED?

(Either way, we loved it, LOL!)

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Thanks for the links too.

Anything to promote some fucking CONVERSATION. Have you been readin' Over
Yonder? WTF? Has that place gone to frickin' seed or what? The place has
been taken over by a bunch of new logos that I don't recognize and ain't a
man or woman among 'um got a dasm thing to say of any interest a-tall.

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
Mystic...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:33 pm
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Anything to promote some fucking CONVERSATION. Have you been readin' Over
Yonder? WTF? Has that place gone to frickin' seed or what? The place has
been taken over by a bunch of new logos that I don't recognize and ain't a
man or woman among 'um got a dasm thing to say of any interest a-tall.

Good read guys. Enjoy reading about life experiences of others of an
era long gone.
As for over there >>>>>>>> There taste in music is as bad as the
conversational ninny nap poo talk....................
 
Zeke...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 10:57 pm
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"Mystic" <mystic at (no spam) bellsouth.net> wrote:
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Good read guys. Enjoy reading about life experiences of others of an
era long gone.
As for over there >>>>>>>> There taste in music is as bad as the
conversational ninny nap poo talk....................

I don't know that I should compare anybody's taste in music to my own.
After all, I have just posted 25 times about Blue Oyster Cult!

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
burtonlmb...
Posted: Wed Oct 28, 2009 6:26 am
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"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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But the question remains...IS THIS MUSIC RETARDED?

(Either way, we loved it, LOL!)

Nowhere near as retarded as the album I played more than any other in 1970:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yR5XhCIeg
 
Zeke...
Posted: Thu Oct 29, 2009 12:52 am
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"burtonlmb" <burtonlmb at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
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Nowhere near as retarded as the album I played more than any other in
1970:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yR5XhCIeg

LOL!

Yeah...that one was big in the neighborhood too.

I was OK with it - enjoyed it for what it was - but I never understood the
obsession that so many had with that album. We had this one guy who played
that album constantly. He had good recreationals and his 'rents both
worked, so we went to his place a lot and therefore got the brunt of the
obsession he had with that particular record album. Result: the album is
ingrained in my head even though I've never owned it.

Mystic...Steve Balloon, Gumbo...you guys are about the same age...

What were your RETARDED RECORDS from the '70's?

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
burtonlmb...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 8:09 am
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"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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"burtonlmb" <burtonlmb at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Nowhere near as retarded as the album I played more than any other in
1970:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5yR5XhCIeg

LOL!

Yeah...that one was big in the neighborhood too.

I was OK with it - enjoyed it for what it was - but I never understood the
obsession that so many had with that album. We had this one guy who
played
that album constantly. He had good recreationals and his 'rents both
worked, so we went to his place a lot and therefore got the brunt of the
obsession he had with that particular record album. Result: the album is
ingrained in my head even though I've never owned it.

Mystic...Steve Balloon, Gumbo...you guys are about the same age...

What were your RETARDED RECORDS from the '70's?

"In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" definitely rates as one of my goofiest albums. But
everyone had to have it. "The long version", LOL. I think I still know every
beat of that drum solo.

I loved that Black Sabbath debut, then bought their second when it came out,
which was also good. What got me off the Black Sabbath bus was going to see
them in concert, my very first show at Winterland, Oct. 1971. Sabbath played
straight from the albums, nary a note different, except for one short part
where the guitarist did a major wanking solo on one song. I'd seen Led
Zeppelin a month previous, and saw Duane and the Allmans a week later, so it
didn't take me long to see that concerts could, and usually should, be
something more than playing your albums note-for-note. The first two bands
stole the show, Edgar Winter's White Trash and Sweathog.
I remember walking down that one flight of wooden stairs where you exited
Winterland from the balcony (always a great place to hear an instant review
of the show you just saw), and some older hippie saying,
"I don't know, man. Too commercial ...".
That was about it for me and Sabbath. I'm pretty sure I never heard a single
song that they released after the 2nd album.
 
Zeke...
Posted: Fri Oct 30, 2009 10:49 pm
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"burtonlmb" <burtonlmb at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
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"In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" definitely rates as one of my goofiest albums.

No way! First: it was the '60's, so a little excess was fine. Second: That
was the first "extended jam" song that I remember. Sky Pilot by the Animals
came earlier but it was only about 7 or 8 minutes IIRC. In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
was 17, IIRC. I don't consider that record retarded, I consider it
groundbreaking. It lead the way for many extended jams.

Quote:
I loved that Black Sabbath debut, then bought their second when it came
out, which was also good. What got me off the Black Sabbath bus was going
to see them in concert, my very first show at Winterland, Oct. 1971.
Sabbath played straight from the albums, nary a note different, except for
one short part where the guitarist did a major wanking solo on one song.
I'd seen Led Zeppelin a month previous, and saw Duane and the Allmans a
week later, so it didn't take me long to see that concerts could, and
usually should, be something more than playing your albums note-for-note.
The first two bands stole the show, Edgar Winter's White Trash and
Sweathog.
I remember walking down that one flight of wooden stairs where you exited
Winterland from the balcony (always a great place to hear an instant
review of the show you just saw), and some older hippie saying,
"I don't know, man. Too commercial ...".
That was about it for me and Sabbath. I'm pretty sure I never heard a
single song that they released after the 2nd album.

I suspect you'd have lost interest after the second album even if you hadn't
seen them live. I remember both albums, it seemed that everyone but me
owned them. But nobody owned any of their albums after those first two. So
it seems to me that everyone lost interest at around the same time.

That actually brings up a new discussion: Bands you loved but lost interest
in.

I'll start:

Led Zeppelin
Jethro Tull
Genesis
Uriah Heep
Moody Blues
Gentle Giant
Pink Floyd

I still listen to Led Zeppelin's first 5 albums (from LZ #1 through Houses
of the Holy) and enjoy them greatly. I still listen to Jethro Tull's first
3 albums (This Was, Stand Up and Benefit) enjoy them. I still listen to
Genesis first album (with the girl and the croquet ball heads) but never
bought any others. I still listen to Uriah Heep's second album (Salisbury)
but never listen to any others. I still listen to the first or seven (7)
Moody Blues albums and enjoy the hell out of them. I still listen to every
Gentle Giant album that I ever owned. I rarely listen to Pink Floyd. The
only album I occasionaly spin is Meddle.

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
rawbylaw...
Posted: Sat Oct 31, 2009 7:56 pm
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On Oct 31, 12:49 am, "Zeke" <kedzieav... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:
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"burtonlmb" <burton... at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
"In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" definitely rates as one of my goofiest albums.

No way!  First: it was the '60's, so a little excess was fine.  Second: That
was the first "extended jam" song that I remember.  Sky Pilot by the Animals
came earlier but it was only about 7 or 8 minutes IIRC.  In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida
was 17, IIRC.  I don't consider that record retarded, I consider it
groundbreaking.  It lead the way for many extended jams.





I loved that Black Sabbath debut, then bought their second when it came
out, which was also good. What got me off the Black Sabbath bus was going
to see them in concert, my very first show at Winterland, Oct. 1971.
Sabbath played straight from the albums, nary a note different, except for
one short part where the guitarist did a major wanking solo on one song..
I'd seen Led Zeppelin a month previous, and saw Duane and the Allmans a
week later, so it didn't take me long to see that concerts could, and
usually should, be something more than playing your albums note-for-note.
The first two bands stole the show, Edgar Winter's White Trash and
Sweathog.
I remember walking down that one flight of wooden stairs where you exited
Winterland from the balcony (always a great place to hear an instant
review of the show you just saw), and some older hippie saying,
"I don't know, man. Too commercial ...".
That was about it for me and Sabbath. I'm pretty sure I never heard a
single song that they released after the 2nd album.

I suspect you'd have lost interest after the second album even if you hadn't
seen them live.  I remember both albums, it seemed that everyone but me
owned them.  But nobody owned any of their albums after those first two..  So
it seems to me that everyone lost interest at around the same time.

That actually brings up a new discussion: Bands you loved but lost interest
in.

I'll start:

    Led Zeppelin
    Jethro Tull
    Genesis
    Uriah Heep
    Moody Blues
    Gentle Giant
    Pink Floyd

I still listen to Led Zeppelin's first 5 albums (from LZ #1 through Houses
of the Holy) and enjoy them greatly.  I still listen to Jethro Tull's first
3 albums (This Was, Stand Up and Benefit) enjoy them.  I still listen to
Genesis first album (with the girl and the croquet ball heads) but never
bought any others.  I still listen to Uriah Heep's second album (Salisbury)
but never listen to any others.  I still listen to the first or seven (7)
Moody Blues albums and enjoy the hell out of them.  I still listen to every
Gentle Giant album that I ever owned.  I rarely listen to Pink Floyd.  The
only album I occasionaly spin is Meddle.


Cheap Trick - Rick Nielsen was *the* power pop guitar Sensi. just
lost track of em
haven't checked any of the thier stuff since their re-emergence in 98.
being meaning to check out "Rockford" since Rolling Drone called it
best of 2006.

-jim

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burtonlmb...
Posted: Sun Nov 01, 2009 8:32 am
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"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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"burtonlmb" <burtonlmb at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
"In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida" definitely rates as one of my goofiest albums.

No way! First: it was the '60's, so a little excess was fine. Second:
That was the first "extended jam" song that I remember. Sky Pilot by the
Animals came earlier but it was only about 7 or 8 minutes IIRC.
In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida was 17, IIRC. I don't consider that record retarded, I
consider it groundbreaking. It lead the way for many extended jams.

I suppose you're right, it was probably the first studio record where one
song took up the whole side, paving the way for more long jams. Cream had
released long jams on "Wheels Of Fire" previously, but those were live
recordings. IB doesn't hold up as well as Cream does, but one can't argue
with its influence.

Quote:
That actually brings up a new discussion: Bands you loved but lost
interest in.

I'll start:

Led Zeppelin
Jethro Tull
Genesis
Uriah Heep
Moody Blues
Gentle Giant
Pink Floyd

I still listen to Led Zeppelin's first 5 albums (from LZ #1 through Houses
of the Holy) and enjoy them greatly. I still listen to Jethro Tull's
first 3 albums (This Was, Stand Up and Benefit) enjoy them. I still
listen to Genesis first album (with the girl and the croquet ball heads)
but never bought any others. I still listen to Uriah Heep's second album
(Salisbury) but never listen to any others. I still listen to the first
or seven (7) Moody Blues albums and enjoy the hell out of them. I still
listen to every Gentle Giant album that I ever owned. I rarely listen to
Pink Floyd. The only album I occasionaly spin is Meddle.

I still listen to Pink Floyd, the Moodies, and occasionally Zep.
I loved Joe Jackson's first 2 or 3, but haven't listened much since.
Marshall Tucker, The Outlaws, Charlie Daniels, loved em all, but haven't
listened in years. I rarely play Bowie records anymore. Carole King. The
Scorpions. Emerson, Lake, & Palmer; Yes. The Ramones.
 
 
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