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Zeke...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:16 am
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Anybody seen this documentary on Showtime?

Some of you would love it, as it chronicles our generation.

It's somewhat similar to how I grew up, except our housing was different and
these kids were a LOT nicer than we were. Also, they didn't have whole
"greasers vs. doopers" thing, nor the white street gang thang like we did.
(I bet they had that in the Italian sections of Brooklyn, but this
documentary isn't about Brooklyn, I'm not sure what borough it is?).

Still, I could relate. Lots of similarities and a GREAT chronicle of our
times.

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Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
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Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:23 am
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On Sat, 17 Oct 2009 10:16:06 -0700, "Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com>
wrote:

Quote:
Anybody seen this documentary on Showtime?

Some of you would love it, as it chronicles our generation.

It's somewhat similar to how I grew up, except our housing was different and
these kids were a LOT nicer than we were. Also, they didn't have whole
"greasers vs. doopers" thing, nor the white street gang thang like we did.
(I bet they had that in the Italian sections of Brooklyn, but this
documentary isn't about Brooklyn, I'm not sure what borough it is?).

Still, I could relate. Lots of similarities and a GREAT chronicle of our
times.


http://www.moviecitynews.com/voices/2003/030929_gronvall.html
 
Zeke...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 11:37 am
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<smballoon at (no spam) aol.comnospam> wrote:

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http://www.moviecitynews.com/voices/2003/030929_gronvall.html

Thanks for the link! Great review too.

I highly recommend this documentary, it's an A+.

And so it was Brooklyn...shows ya what I know!

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
doerz...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 2:46 pm
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a generation prior to me, but i love the film 'cause one of the binding ties
was/is hoops -- a well told story...

"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Anybody seen this documentary on Showtime?

Some of you would love it, as it chronicles our generation.

It's somewhat similar to how I grew up, except our housing was different
and these kids were a LOT nicer than we were. Also, they didn't have
whole "greasers vs. doopers" thing, nor the white street gang thang like
we did. (I bet they had that in the Italian sections of Brooklyn, but this
documentary isn't about Brooklyn, I'm not sure what borough it is?).

Still, I could relate. Lots of similarities and a GREAT chronicle of our
times.

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne


 
Zeke...
Posted: Sat Oct 17, 2009 7:07 pm
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"doerz" <jmNOdoerzSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
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a generation prior to me, but i love the film 'cause one of the binding
ties was/is hoops -- a well told story...

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One thing though...when they told the story of the kid found in the car they
should have incorporated this song into the narrative. This band screams
"Brooklyn" to me, and the whole time they were telling that story I couldn't
help but think of this particlular song, which to me is the quintessential
tune about that type of scenario, especially if it involves kids from NYC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pCDMGBGym4&feature=related

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
Zeke...
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 7:15 am
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LMAO.

I guess nobody shares me love of Blue Oyster's debut...

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Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne


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"doerz" <jmNOdoerzSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
a generation prior to me, but i love the film 'cause one of the binding
ties was/is hoops -- a well told story...

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One thing though...when they told the story of the kid found in the car
they should have incorporated this song into the narrative. This band
screams "Brooklyn" to me, and the whole time they were telling that story
I couldn't help but think of this particlular song, which to me is the
quintessential tune about that type of scenario, especially if it involves
kids from NYC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pCDMGBGym4&feature=related

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne


 
doerz...
Posted: Fri Oct 23, 2009 9:44 pm
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i actually listened and liked it a lot....sent me to the BOC homepage and i
read the band's history as well :)


"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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LMAO.

I guess nobody shares me love of Blue Oyster's debut...

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne


"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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"doerz" <jmNOdoerzSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
a generation prior to me, but i love the film 'cause one of the binding
ties was/is hoops -- a well told story...

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One thing though...when they told the story of the kid found in the car
they should have incorporated this song into the narrative. This band
screams "Brooklyn" to me, and the whole time they were telling that story
I couldn't help but think of this particlular song, which to me is the
quintessential tune about that type of scenario, especially if it
involves kids from NYC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pCDMGBGym4&feature=related

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne




 
burtonlmb...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 8:18 am
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"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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LMAO.

I guess nobody shares me love of Blue Oyster's debut...

I've never heard it. That track may be the first one I've ever heard from
the album. Good song, I liked it.

When it came out, I was in high school. The cover art always intrigued me,
kinda M.C. Escher Goes To Outer Space. I've no idea why I didn't buy it;
probably $, as funds were limited, and albums were about 4 bucks. And there
were so many great albums to buy. Maybe Rolling Stone gave it a bad review
or something too, I wouldn't be surprised. I used to stick pretty strongly
to their recommendations in those days.

None of my buddies had it either. The local radio stations didn't play it.
Really the only BOC I've heard still are their hits, and a couple live
boots, which I liked.

Their whole catalog is available now on emusic; I think I'll buy that first
album finally, next month when my downloads renew.
 
Zeke...
Posted: Sat Oct 24, 2009 2:03 pm
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"doerz" <jmNOdoerzSPAM at (no spam) yahoo.com> wrote:
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i actually listened and liked it a lot....sent me to the BOC homepage and i
read the band's history as well Smile

I went to that site last night after reading your post. Tried to read up on
the band's history but that portion of the site was having a technical
problem and the data was unavailable. Bummer, as I don't know much about
them as a band. I know their guitarist was Buck Dharma. Burt once
mentioned that was a great name for a guitarist. Dude could play.

I remember driving all the way out to some (north) suburban high school
gymnasium to catch them on their first tour. I'd gone with just my GF, but
ended up running into about 25 people from the neighborhood that night. Not
neccesarily people I hung out with every day (some yes, others just peeps I
knew from the 'hood). I guess we were all a little crazy for that 1st BOC
album. I think because it fit our little corner of the universe so well.

I've written before, either here or over yonder, how in the '60's the city
replaced our street & alley lamps with these super-intense sodium-vapor
lights. I suppose it was an anti-crime measure. But the new lamps threw a
sickly, yellow-green pall over everything. Our alleys were already
intimidating at night; kids ruled them, adults stayed away. Now, with the
yellow-green pall over everything they took on an almost Martian quality.
That 1st BOC album captured it perfectly, and there were many nights when
we'd pull up stakes in some grimy Avondale alley and blast BOC from the boom
box. Kids would come out of the woodwork - from down other streets, out of
gangways, garages etc., just to hear that music. Moths to fire.

Bruce content: I always saw a Bruce connection. Bruce & BOC were label
mates (Columbia). BOC was from NYC. Their 1st album dropped about a year
or two before Bruce's 1st, I think, and many of the themes were there. For
example, Before The Kiss, A Redcap (great tune) always seeemd like as a
fore-runner to Born to Run.

"Outside on the turnpike they got this new hit tune.
Thrills become as cheap as gas and gas as cheap as thrills."

I always associate this tune with BTR. Not as good as BTR, not by a long
shot, but not a bad tune either. And in 1971 (or whatever year it was) this
song - and the entire album - was pretty much our BTR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vSkXNM1XUQ&feature=related

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
burtonlmb...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 8:21 am
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"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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I always associate this tune with BTR. Not as good as BTR, not by a long
shot, but not a bad tune either. And in 1971 (or whatever year it was)
this song - and the entire album - was pretty much our BTR.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9vSkXNM1XUQ&feature=related

Good tune! Allmusic.com says that song sounds like "a mutant Savoy Brown
meets Canned Heat at Altamont". How can you not love it.

Emusic has the 2001 remastered version of the 1st album, with 4 extra tracks
which are demos from 1969 when they were called Soft White Underbelly (a
name they would later use again in the 80's and 90's when they wanted to
appear fairly incognito at small nightclubs. They played so much in clubs
around here, I always wondered if they lived here for a while).

Actually the 1st album was 1972. I was trying to think of what our "Born To
Run" album was then (that'd be a great thread, Zeke --- "What was your BTR
in high school or college?"). Ours was probably "Live At Leeds" by The Who,
what with "Young Man Blues", "Summertime Blues" and "My Generation", loud
divine power chords, and .... Keith F-ing Moon!
 
Zeke...
Posted: Sun Oct 25, 2009 1:38 pm
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"burtonlmb" <burtonlmb at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
Good tune! Allmusic.com says that song sounds like "a mutant Savoy Brown
meets Canned Heat at Altamont". How can you not love it.

I'll have what they're smokin'!

Quote:
Emusic has the 2001 remastered version of the 1st album, with 4 extra
tracks

The remaster is better than the original but the 4 extra tracks are crap.

Quote:
Actually the 1st album was 1972. I was trying to think of what our "Born
To Run" album was then (that'd be a great thread, Zeke --- "What was your
BTR in high school or college?"). Ours was probably "Live At Leeds" by The
Who, what with "Young Man Blues", "Summertime Blues" and "My Generation",
loud divine power chords, and .... Keith F-ing Moon!

Live at Leeds!!! Definitely one of our BTRs!

If we're talking early high school (1st two years) I'd say our BTR was "Are
You Experienced," by Jimi. We overplayed that record constantly. And when
"Electric Ladyland" came out we overplayed that one.

If we're talking the last two years of high school I'd say "Band of Gypsies"
(which I think Jimi spelled Gypsys on the record, can't remember and too
lazy to check). Also: Led Zeppelin's first two albums, Blind Faith & Abbey
Road.

To be objective about it, I ain't sure that BOC's debut was all that good.
I guess I'll leave it to you guys to listen to a few songs and tell me. I
have posted 3 links at the very bottom of this post. I tend to think that
1st BOC album just happened to "match" the brain cells of a bunch of city
kids whose lifestyle was hanging out in the alleys all night long causing as
much trouble as possible. Like I said, our alleys looked hellish under
those sodium vapor lights, and this record had a hellish sorta sound. So to
us it was a stunner. But I really can't say what the record might sound
like without the treasured memories?

Plus, I never liked their other stuff. A song here & there, sure (Don't
Fear The Reaper comes to mind, that's a great song); but the albums didn't
appeal to me and I never bought any of them.

Yet that 1st BOC album...dasm...that one hit the spot.

I went surfing the interweb, trying to find some photos of Avondale's alleys
at night. There used to be this guy who took a lot of photos of Avondale,
he had some nighttime alley shots with a bunch of kids hanging out (under
the sodium vapor lamps) in the pictures on his blog, but I can't find his
blog anymore. The closest thing I found is a daytime photo on the blog of
some gal transplant from Grand Rapids.

http://tinyurl.com/yf7wghx

Scroll down to the bottom of the blog for the photo. You can increase the
photo to full size and then click on it to magnify.

Funny how she does what everyone from Avondale does and claims Logan Square.
She's only lived there a few years and has already learned that no one has
ever heard of Avondale, LOL. Even the newspapers & TV new screw it up all
the time, reporting stories from Avondale as having occurred in Logan
Square.

It's just faster & easier to say "Logan Square" than to explain Avondale
while getting blank stares. Logan Square - even if the person has never
been there - is an historic district; everyone has heard of. Avondale is
nondescript. People drive through and forget they were there.

Anyway, if I remember the album's sequence, I'm pretty sure these 3 songs
went together in the order that the links are posted. The sound is pretty
crappy on these links (especially compared to the original vinyl) but you
still get the general idea. Give them a listen in the order they are posted
and tell me (honestly) if you think they're good, OK, or crapola.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hNT0fvNgc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCB-0d42-g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OBs6S1lW_Q&feature=related

Dasm...Brad Childress just made a smart challenge, talk about your
rareities!

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
colonialacres...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 12:25 pm
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"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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"burtonlmb" <burtonlmb at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Good tune! Allmusic.com says that song sounds like "a mutant Savoy Brown
meets Canned Heat at Altamont". How can you not love it.

I'll have what they're smokin'!

Emusic has the 2001 remastered version of the 1st album, with 4 extra
tracks

The remaster is better than the original but the 4 extra tracks are crap.

They usually are. But if I get, I'll get that one anyway, it's a better
deal.

Quote:
Actually the 1st album was 1972. I was trying to think of what our "Born
To Run" album was then (that'd be a great thread, Zeke --- "What was your
BTR in high school or college?"). Ours was probably "Live At Leeds" by
The
Who, what with "Young Man Blues", "Summertime Blues" and "My Generation",
loud divine power chords, and .... Keith F-ing Moon!

Live at Leeds!!! Definitely one of our BTRs!

If we're talking early high school (1st two years) I'd say our BTR was
"Are You Experienced," by Jimi. We overplayed that record constantly.
And when "Electric Ladyland" came out we overplayed that one.

For some reason, I had a deeper connection to "Axis: Bold As Love" than
Jimi's others.

But I mentioned Live At Leeds because it had lots of that young man angst
that BTR had.

Quote:
If we're talking the last two years of high school I'd say "Band of
Gypsies" (which I think Jimi spelled Gypsys on the record, can't remember
and too lazy to check). Also: Led Zeppelin's first two albums, Blind
Faith & Abbey Road.

To be objective about it, I ain't sure that BOC's debut was all that good.
I guess I'll leave it to you guys to listen to a few songs and tell me. I
have posted 3 links at the very bottom of this post. I tend to think that
1st BOC album just happened to "match" the brain cells of a bunch of city
kids whose lifestyle was hanging out in the alleys all night long causing
as much trouble as possible. Like I said, our alleys looked hellish under
those sodium vapor lights, and this record had a hellish sorta sound. So
to us it was a stunner. But I really can't say what the record might
sound like without the treasured memories?

Plus, I never liked their other stuff. A song here & there, sure (Don't
Fear The Reaper comes to mind, that's a great song); but the albums didn't
appeal to me and I never bought any of them.

Yet that 1st BOC album...dasm...that one hit the spot.

I went surfing the interweb, trying to find some photos of Avondale's
alleys at night. There used to be this guy who took a lot of photos of
Avondale, he had some nighttime alley shots with a bunch of kids hanging
out (under the sodium vapor lamps) in the pictures on his blog, but I
can't find his blog anymore. The closest thing I found is a daytime photo
on the blog of some gal transplant from Grand Rapids.

http://tinyurl.com/yf7wghx

That looks hellish enough in the daytime!

Quote:
Scroll down to the bottom of the blog for the photo. You can increase the
photo to full size and then click on it to magnify.

Funny how she does what everyone from Avondale does and claims Logan
Square. She's only lived there a few years and has already learned that no
one has ever heard of Avondale, LOL. Even the newspapers & TV new screw
it up all
the time, reporting stories from Avondale as having occurred in Logan
Square.

It's just faster & easier to say "Logan Square" than to explain Avondale
while getting blank stares. Logan Square - even if the person has never
been there - is an historic district; everyone has heard of. Avondale is
nondescript. People drive through and forget they were there.

Anyway, if I remember the album's sequence, I'm pretty sure these 3 songs
went together in the order that the links are posted. The sound is pretty
crappy on these links (especially compared to the original vinyl) but you
still get the general idea. Give them a listen in the order they are
posted and tell me (honestly) if you think they're good, OK, or crapola.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hNT0fvNgc&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCB-0d42-g&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OBs6S1lW_Q&feature=related

The first two I'd call just okay; they sound dated, kinda remind me of old
Amboy Dukes or something.
The third one is outstanding and doesn't sound dated at all.
 
Zeke...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:13 pm
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"colonialacres" <colonialacres at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
Quote:
The remaster is better than the original but the 4 extra tracks are crap.
They usually are. But if I get, I'll get that one anyway, it's a better
deal.

True dat.

Who's Next is another remaster with a bunch of garbage added-on.


Quote:
If we're talking early high school (1st two years) I'd say our BTR was
"Are You Experienced," by Jimi. We overplayed that record constantly.
And when "Electric Ladyland" came out we overplayed that one.
For some reason, I had a deeper connection to "Axis: Bold As Love" than
Jimi's others.

I never knew "Axis Bold as Love" existed.

For me the sequence was: 1. Are You Experienced, 2. Electric Ladyland, 3.
Band of Gyspsys. I don't think I ever saw Axis Bold As Love on the store
shelves, although I did hear "If Six Was Nine" when I saw Easy Rider.

We bought our albums at R&S Records, on Armitage & Kedzie. That was (still
is) a very rough part of Logan Square. There were about 15 major gangs in
the area, half white, the other half PR. The entire neighborhood was a war
zone. The gangs used to firebomb each other houses and there were West
Side Story style rumbles (that ended in murders) all the time.

Sometimes we got a ride to R&S, sometimes we walked. When walking, as soon
as you crossed Fullerton Avenue you were on the look out for other white
kids. The key was to find somebody that you knew from high school. If you
ran into a bunch of other whites you were probably going to be safe. If you
didn't, then you just wanted to get in & out of the neighborhood without
calling attention to yourselves. Not easily done when there's several of
you, all dressed greaser.

But R&S was worth it! Prices were dirt cheap. As late as the mid '70's
album prices were still only $2.75 per lp.

R&S didn't have everything, but because of the prices it was the only place
we bought records. Bottom line: we bought what they had on the shelves. I
don't remember ever seeing Axis Bold As Love. I think the first time I saw
that album was 5 years after it came out.


Quote:
But I mentioned Live At Leeds because it had lots of that young man angst
that BTR had.

Ah...now I see...

I was thinking purely in terms of what we played most often. In sophomore
year it was Are You Experienced. We wore that sucker out. In senior year
it was Blind Faith, Led Zeppelin #1, and Abbey Road.

Lotta young man angst on Led Zeppelin #1. "Good Times Bad Times" is every
bit the statement on teenage years as BTR; especially when followed by "Babe
I'm Gonna Leave You". Hell, the entire LZ #1 album is male angst.

Not much young man angst on Blind Faith or Abbey Road. But those two were
definitely tied with Led Zeppelin #1 for most played.


Quote:
Like I said, our alleys looked hellish under those sodium vapor lights,
and this record had a hellish sorta sound. So to us it was a stunner.
http://tinyurl.com/yf7wghx
That looks hellish enough in the daytime!

Actually, I bet you can see why I have always said that - in places -
Chicago looks a little like Oakland. Keep in mind that you are seeing the
backs of buildings. The fronts are what people driving through the
neighborhood see, so the fronts are what people tend to keep up. The backs
are seen only by your neighbors, so you can put a little less work there.

It's kinda like nobody cares if your ass needs a scrubbing, so long as your
face is clean. (Emoticon here).

There were and are lots of alleys like this in Avondale. There were and are
also lots of alleys that are a lot nicer. And of course there were some
that were worse.

Most of the "centrally-located" (between Ashland and Pulaski) north side
neighborhoods have sections that are a hodge-podge of housing styles. On
some streets you have a bunch of houses all built at the same time and in
the same style, they look uniform. On other streets you have a bunch of
houses that went up at various times and in various styles, they look
"thrown together". The result is that some streets, like the one I grew up
on, were quite nice and others, like the ones a lot of my friends grew up
on, looked like shit under shingles.

But it was precisely this heterogeneous quality that made our neighborhood
so diverse, and so much fun.

Every pair of streets in Chicago are separated by an alley. It's where you
keep your garbage cans, where cars go in & out garages, where kids rule.

Kids use the alleys for everything, legal & illegal. They cut through them
on their way to other places. They also cut through people's yards, making
sure not to choose a yard with a German Shepard or a Doberman (today's
equivalent, Pit-bull or Rotweiller). They use the alleys to sneak smokes,
cut school, cause trouble. Later in life when they're with their girls they
use the alleys to locate an abandoned building or unlocked garage, so they
can get a little private time.

And of course the alleys were where the gangs fought. Alleys, schoolyards,
parks and RR tracks, those were the places. I used the past-tense "fought".
Today's gangs are pussies, they can't fight. Have you ever seen them try to
fight? Or throw a baseball? No wonder they have to shoot sideways at each
other...they are fucking embarrassments to the male gender.

But the BIGGEST use of the alleys is for sport.

From your back upper windows you can look down over the alley and see who's
out playing ball. In the summertime when the windows are open you can shout
over to your friend's open window. As soon as you connect with someone you
grab your shoes and peel out the house like a train. No need to tell your
parents where you're going; if it's daylight you're playing sports or
causing trouble. If it's nighttime you're wreaking some type of major
havoc just like they did when they were kids. They don't wanna know.

Since the alleys are where people take their dogs to crap (nobody picks it
up) when you shoot hoop you learn to dribble around it; when you play
football you learn to catch everything you can touch, lest the pigskin skid
down the alley and land in a pile.

Quote:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hNT0fvNgc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCB-0d42-g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OBs6S1lW_Q&feature=related
The first two I'd call just okay; they sound dated, kinda remind me of old
Amboy Dukes or something. The third one is outstanding and doesn't sound
dated at all.

The first two songs are eerie, evil-sounding little nuggets. They fit our
environment perfectly. The album came out in the summer, so hot, muggy
nights. You'd get a dozen hot sweaty kids walking down some back alley,
they'd ass-up along some garage wall, press play on the boombox and blast
BOC out to the stars. Pretty soon the atmosphere would come alive. Kids
crawling out of every gangway to see "what IS this music?"

The place was already surreal, BOC only made it more so. Nighttime in
Chicago is run by the kids. The adults stay inside and watch TV.

So...you take a hot, muggy night, add some strange, creepy music, the glow
of sodium vapor lamps, the various psychedelic recreationals, and the normal
nighttime sounds...the sirens on call for purse snatchings, armed robberies,
home invasions, arson, muggings, gang fights, stabbings, beatings and
shootings in sudden affray, you get an environment not unlike that portrayed
on HBO's True Blood.

Not Louisiana and of course no vampires, yet a swampy, muggy, sexy, concrete
jungle under a hellfire glow. A mysterious, yellow-green little nuclear
hellscape run entirely by kids aged 12 to 25.

In other words, the perfect setting for pure teenage FUN.

Yeah the 3rd song is pretty good...

No, it's not the Allman Brothers Band or Van Morrison, but I
still get a kick out of it, even after all these years.

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
Zeke...
Posted: Mon Oct 26, 2009 11:59 pm
Guest
Hey Mr. Burt!

I forgot about some of these songs from BOC's debut.

Check out these 5 tunes:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b0yNndiQMVk

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2vdsUDNpM54&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyLMgIR69G4&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63AYootBlZM&feature=related

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b86zs_x2tCA&feature=related


I'm think that I may have recreated the order in which they appear on the
album. Maybe not? I didn't check, and it's been 40 years, so who knows?
At any rate:

The first song is hilarious
The second song kicks ass
The third song is both sad and gorgeous
The fourth song is an instant classic
And the last song is nothing but kool...

Jeez...for a bunch of idiots maybe we weren't that stupid after all...LMAO!

===================================
Better bring your own redemption when you come
To the barricades of heaven, where I'm from.
Jackson Browne
 
colonialacres...
Posted: Tue Oct 27, 2009 1:51 pm
Guest
Great stuff Zeke. Thanks for taking the time to write that.

I know just what you mean, or at least sort of (Chicago being a much bigger
city than what I ever experienced as a kid). It's an atmosphere that can
only be generated in the city, and usually in hot weather. That picture did
remind me of Oakland, and the oldest parts of San Leandro.
Although I'm a child of the 'burbs, I did experience some of that city
nights stuff as a teenager, I had a close friend (and we're still close now)
who lived on 165th Ave in San Leandro, which is very city. I spent the
majority of my high school life at his place.
It was kind of a scarey place to hang out, with junkies, heavy cats and
whores out on the corner half a block away, and such, but in retrospect I
suppose that made it all that more interesting and exciting. It definitely
did have a unique vibe. And a variety of people, good and bad, that you just
wouldn't find in the suburbs, a short bicycle ride away.
I can see how that music would be a good soundtrack for that scene.
Thanks for the links too.

"Zeke" <kedzieavnoo at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
news:hc5vha$6ri$1 at (no spam) news.eternal-september.org...
Quote:
"colonialacres" <colonialacres at (no spam) comcast.net> wrote:
The remaster is better than the original but the 4 extra tracks are
crap.
They usually are. But if I get, I'll get that one anyway, it's a better
deal.

True dat.

Who's Next is another remaster with a bunch of garbage added-on.


If we're talking early high school (1st two years) I'd say our BTR was
"Are You Experienced," by Jimi. We overplayed that record constantly.
And when "Electric Ladyland" came out we overplayed that one.
For some reason, I had a deeper connection to "Axis: Bold As Love" than
Jimi's others.

I never knew "Axis Bold as Love" existed.

For me the sequence was: 1. Are You Experienced, 2. Electric Ladyland, 3.
Band of Gyspsys. I don't think I ever saw Axis Bold As Love on the store
shelves, although I did hear "If Six Was Nine" when I saw Easy Rider.

We bought our albums at R&S Records, on Armitage & Kedzie. That was
(still
is) a very rough part of Logan Square. There were about 15 major gangs in
the area, half white, the other half PR. The entire neighborhood was a
war
zone. The gangs used to firebomb each other houses and there were West
Side Story style rumbles (that ended in murders) all the time.

Sometimes we got a ride to R&S, sometimes we walked. When walking, as
soon
as you crossed Fullerton Avenue you were on the look out for other white
kids. The key was to find somebody that you knew from high school. If
you
ran into a bunch of other whites you were probably going to be safe. If
you
didn't, then you just wanted to get in & out of the neighborhood without
calling attention to yourselves. Not easily done when there's several of
you, all dressed greaser.

But R&S was worth it! Prices were dirt cheap. As late as the mid '70's
album prices were still only $2.75 per lp.

R&S didn't have everything, but because of the prices it was the only
place
we bought records. Bottom line: we bought what they had on the shelves.
I
don't remember ever seeing Axis Bold As Love. I think the first time I
saw
that album was 5 years after it came out.


But I mentioned Live At Leeds because it had lots of that young man angst
that BTR had.

Ah...now I see...

I was thinking purely in terms of what we played most often. In sophomore
year it was Are You Experienced. We wore that sucker out. In senior year
it was Blind Faith, Led Zeppelin #1, and Abbey Road.

Lotta young man angst on Led Zeppelin #1. "Good Times Bad Times" is every
bit the statement on teenage years as BTR; especially when followed by
"Babe
I'm Gonna Leave You". Hell, the entire LZ #1 album is male angst.

Not much young man angst on Blind Faith or Abbey Road. But those two were
definitely tied with Led Zeppelin #1 for most played.


Like I said, our alleys looked hellish under those sodium vapor lights,
and this record had a hellish sorta sound. So to us it was a stunner.
http://tinyurl.com/yf7wghx
That looks hellish enough in the daytime!

Actually, I bet you can see why I have always said that - in places -
Chicago looks a little like Oakland. Keep in mind that you are seeing the
backs of buildings. The fronts are what people driving through the
neighborhood see, so the fronts are what people tend to keep up. The
backs
are seen only by your neighbors, so you can put a little less work there.

It's kinda like nobody cares if your ass needs a scrubbing, so long as
your
face is clean. (Emoticon here).

There were and are lots of alleys like this in Avondale. There were and
are
also lots of alleys that are a lot nicer. And of course there were some
that were worse.

Most of the "centrally-located" (between Ashland and Pulaski) north side
neighborhoods have sections that are a hodge-podge of housing styles. On
some streets you have a bunch of houses all built at the same time and in
the same style, they look uniform. On other streets you have a bunch of
houses that went up at various times and in various styles, they look
"thrown together". The result is that some streets, like the one I grew
up
on, were quite nice and others, like the ones a lot of my friends grew up
on, looked like shit under shingles.

But it was precisely this heterogeneous quality that made our neighborhood
so diverse, and so much fun.

Every pair of streets in Chicago are separated by an alley. It's where
you
keep your garbage cans, where cars go in & out garages, where kids rule.

Kids use the alleys for everything, legal & illegal. They cut through
them
on their way to other places. They also cut through people's yards,
making
sure not to choose a yard with a German Shepard or a Doberman (today's
equivalent, Pit-bull or Rotweiller). They use the alleys to sneak smokes,
cut school, cause trouble. Later in life when they're with their girls
they
use the alleys to locate an abandoned building or unlocked garage, so they
can get a little private time.

And of course the alleys were where the gangs fought. Alleys,
schoolyards,
parks and RR tracks, those were the places. I used the past-tense
"fought".
Today's gangs are pussies, they can't fight. Have you ever seen them try
to
fight? Or throw a baseball? No wonder they have to shoot sideways at
each
other...they are fucking embarrassments to the male gender.

But the BIGGEST use of the alleys is for sport.

From your back upper windows you can look down over the alley and see
who's
out playing ball. In the summertime when the windows are open you can
shout
over to your friend's open window. As soon as you connect with someone
you
grab your shoes and peel out the house like a train. No need to tell your
parents where you're going; if it's daylight you're playing sports or
causing trouble. If it's nighttime you're wreaking some type of major
havoc just like they did when they were kids. They don't wanna know.

Since the alleys are where people take their dogs to crap (nobody picks it
up) when you shoot hoop you learn to dribble around it; when you play
football you learn to catch everything you can touch, lest the pigskin
skid
down the alley and land in a pile.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9hNT0fvNgc&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FpCB-0d42-g&feature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0OBs6S1lW_Q&feature=related
The first two I'd call just okay; they sound dated, kinda remind me of
old
Amboy Dukes or something. The third one is outstanding and doesn't sound
dated at all.

The first two songs are eerie, evil-sounding little nuggets. They fit our
environment perfectly. The album came out in the summer, so hot, muggy
nights. You'd get a dozen hot sweaty kids walking down some back alley,
they'd ass-up along some garage wall, press play on the boombox and blast
BOC out to the stars. Pretty soon the atmosphere would come alive. Kids
crawling out of every gangway to see "what IS this music?"

The place was already surreal, BOC only made it more so. Nighttime in
Chicago is run by the kids. The adults stay inside and watch TV.

So...you take a hot, muggy night, add some strange, creepy music, the glow
of sodium vapor lamps, the various psychedelic recreationals, and the
normal
nighttime sounds...the sirens on call for purse snatchings, armed
robberies,
home invasions, arson, muggings, gang fights, stabbings, beatings and
shootings in sudden affray, you get an environment not unlike that
portrayed
on HBO's True Blood.

Not Louisiana and of course no vampires, yet a swampy, muggy, sexy,
concrete
jungle under a hellfire glow. A mysterious, yellow-green little nuclear
hellscape run entirely by kids aged 12 to 25.

In other words, the perfect setting for pure teenage FUN.

Yeah the 3rd song is pretty good...

No, it's not the Allman Brothers Band or Van Morrison, but I
still get a kick out of it, even after all these years.
 
 
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