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| JohnB... |
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On 17 July, 15:32, William Black <william.bl... at (no spam) hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: Gill Smith wrote:
Time and again, on Mike Hardin's prog, acres of turgid dross, usually
contemporary, are broken up by marvellous songs which, you be guessing
it, are trad.
And the reason they survived, unaided, was because people could - and wanted
to
- remember they
I've been saying this for a decade.
Nobody's listening...
I meet a lot of kids who study popular music and performance at college
and university and the decision to write and perform their own material
acoustically rather than in a band is just a career move.
But they call it 'folk'...
They can call it what they like. Doesn't make it so.
Quote: Traditional 'folk' isn't technically challenging to either sing or play,
although you do have to emote with your material which some people find
difficulty,
and so the rather highly technically competent people playing for
money these days aren't terribly interested in playing it...
The trouble with a lot of modern contemporary "folk" is just that
there's too much of it. Also, many performers will take the fact that
they get applause as all the evidence they need that they are the next
great songwriting phenomenon. So they do more and more.
The thing with traditional song is that it has survived the test of
time which contemporary stuff obviously can't claim. Some of it will
survive and who are we to say which will and which won't. Sadly some
excellent stuff will get lost in amongst the dross and some lesser
stuff will survive but that's the way it goes. What gets me is the way
many young trad performers just don't understand what they're singing.
It's as if a good voice and a modern arrangement is all that's needed
- but it takes more than that to raise it above "passing interest".
You have to listen and learn and then live inside the song - and that
goes for contemporary songs too, though the trouble here is there is
just too much that only the writer can live inside (and too much that
has too little substance anyway).
Both Cohen and Thompson have written songs (regardless of whether they
are now considerred "folk") that I think will still be sung in their
simplest form in decades to come. They are good enough I believe to
eventually sit alongside some that we now call traditional though we
have to remember that all songs must have been written by someone
sometime. I couldn't say for certain which songs from their
outpourings *will* last but I believe some will. As a songwriter
myself, I wish some of my songs might survive longer than I do too but
I am heard by far (far far) fewer people so my chances are not good :-
(
In the end what counts to me is that there are songs out there whether
traditional or not that can be sung by people (whether folkies or not)
well enough to move me - and it'll take more than a good voice or
clever arrangement to do that.
An aside: I once heard of a Thompson song being sung by an amateur who
introduced it as "traditional Scottish" - I think it was "Withered And
Died". There's another topic for the folkies!
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William Black
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| Gill Smith... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:12 am |
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"Jack Campin - bogus address" <bogus at (no spam) purr.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
news:bogus-CA5285.09005615072009 at (no spam) news.albasani.net...
Quote: "Beeswing"
p.s. is that a reference to Richard Thompson?
if it isn't, then check out that song. It's one of his best
yes it is a reference to Richard Thompson
Or you might check out the Stewarts of Blair "Queen Among the
Heather", which is the same story told in better words with a
VASTLY better tune. (And I've never heard any performance of
it that wasn't incomparably more passionate than any performance
of anything by Richard Thompson).
There is a reason why so many people think all folk music is
mediocre crap, and the adulation accorded to bozos like Thompson
is a large part of it.
I blame Cecil Sharp
Time and again, on Mike Hardin's prog, acres of turgid dross, usually
contemporary, are broken up by marvellous songs which, you be guessing
it, are trad.
And the reason they survived, unaided, was because people could - and wanted
to
- remember they
I've heard "The Seeds Of Love" a couple of times and I still can't remember
the tune.
Is there one?
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song in memory of my father http://www.gillsmith999.plus.com/
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| William Black... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 8:32 am |
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Gill Smith wrote:
Quote: Time and again, on Mike Hardin's prog, acres of turgid dross, usually
contemporary, are broken up by marvellous songs which, you be guessing
it, are trad.
And the reason they survived, unaided, was because people could - and wanted
to
- remember they
I've been saying this for a decade.
Nobody's listening...
I meet a lot of kids who study popular music and performance at college
and university and the decision to write and perform their own material
acoustically rather than in a band is just a career move.
But they call it 'folk'...
Traditional 'folk' isn't technically challenging to either sing or play,
although you do have to emote with your material which some people find
difficulty,
and so the rather highly technically competent people playing for
money these days aren't terribly interested in playing it...
--
William Black
So I looked at the script
It was six weeks filming in the desert.
No girls, no dialogue, just guys with guns.
They said "Do you want wages or a percentage?"
It looked like a certain turkey.
When they came the second time I was ready.
I haven't had to work since...
Eli Wallach on his roles in
"The Magnificent Seven"
and "The Good the Bad and The Ugly |
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| Tom Layesman... |
| Posted: Fri Jul 17, 2009 9:00 am |
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| BigAl... |
| Posted: Sat Jul 18, 2009 1:09 pm |
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"Stewart Robert Hinsley" <stewart at (no spam) meden.demon.co.uk> wrote in message
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Quote: In message <NqOdnfsY2pQY7MHXnZ2dnUVZ8i2dnZ2d at (no spam) brightview.co.uk>, Gill Smith
gill.smith.999 at (no spam) googlemail.com> writes
"Beeswing" <beeswingREMOVE at (no spam) lycos.co.uk> wrote in message
news:QBB5m.31420$uV3.11804 at (no spam) newsfe22.ams2...
p.s. is that a reference to Richard Thompson?
if it isn't, then check out that song. It's one of his best
I'd ask who did the good version of that (I don't particularly care for
the versions doing the rounds at the moment), except that other people may
not agree with me which was the good version.
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Stewart Hinsley
Try Christy Moore's version (1 of them anyway):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X0F6Wy6w3_4&feature=related
Or Daniel Lapp's take on the song:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o6QEQEgFMGI&feature=related
And, just for fun, one of my favourite RT numbers (quality isn't very good
though):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n2XnBHwdd2k&feature=related
And that one definitely isn't folk Jack!
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| Zeke... |
| Posted: Thu Jul 23, 2009 12:43 pm |
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On Jul 15, 9:00 am, Jack Campin - bogus address
<bo... at (no spam) purr.demon.co.uk> wrote:
Quote: "Beeswing"
p.s. is that a reference to Richard Thompson?
if it isn't, then check out that song. It's one of his best
yes it is a reference to Richard Thompson
Or you might check out the Stewarts of Blair "Queen Among the
Heather", which is the same story told in better words with a
VASTLY better tune. (And I've never heard any performance of
it that wasn't incomparably more passionate than any performance
of anything by Richard Thompson).
There is a reason why so many people think all folk music is
mediocre crap, and the adulation accorded to bozos like Thompson
is a large part of it.
==== j a c k at c a m p i n . m e . u k === <http://www.campin.me.uk> ====
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I'm willing to bet that you can't play guitar anywhere near as well as
that particular 'bozo'. Furthermore, we all have different tastes in
music, and I'm also willing to bet that RT might not necessarily be
impressed by your tastes in whatever you define as 'folk music'. The
lesson for us all? Be tolerant my friend - what turns you on might
not be to the liking of others, and vice versa. Your description of
any musician as a 'bozo', tells us more about you that it does about
the bozo! |
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