KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:04:59 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

it was "well-known" among the Neverland staff that Jackson had a
drug problem -- "Yes, and people would say, his eyes were
rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know what he was
talking about."


Okay, here's another question you won't answer:

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs (s)he
provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well, apparently, his
staff, knew the greater extent of his drug consumption, then who's
more responsible? Jackson? His staff who didn't call someone? Or
the doctor who was personally prescribing / providing a reasonable
amount of pharmaceuticals?

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable" for admiminstrating
(shooting up) drugs that resulted in Michael Jackson's death.

Like Murder on the Orential Express...they all killed him. They all
stuck a knife in him. What difference does it make which knife
killed him?

The Starmaker

I think it should be obvious by now to most people that... the law
enforcement people know already what is in the coroner's report

... and you don't.

, and
they want to get their man before it is announced to the public.

This is what it is all leading to..

They'll announce it,
they'll get their man, and
that's it.

I like the way you replied to your own post so you could ignore mine.

I didn't ignore it, it was just not worth responding too...

Here, try these again:

So there's no reason to ever prescribe medication and all of it should
be outlawed?

and

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs (s)he
provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well, apparently, his
staff, knew the greater extent of his drug consumption, then who's
more responsible?

You answered

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable"

... so all the bystanders who *saw* what was going on bear no
responsibility, but the fifteenth doctor, unaware of Jackson's other
drug use, who gave him one prescription which, on its own, wouldn't be
anything to raise eyebrows over, bears all of it?



Bystanders? Maybe they should've called a doctor?

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:55:57 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:04:59 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

it was "well-known" among the Neverland staff that Jackson had a
drug problem -- "Yes, and people would say, his eyes were
rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know what he was
talking about."


Okay, here's another question you won't answer:

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs (s)he
provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well, apparently, his
staff, knew the greater extent of his drug consumption, then who's
more responsible? Jackson? His staff who didn't call someone? Or
the doctor who was personally prescribing / providing a reasonable
amount of pharmaceuticals?

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable" for admiminstrating
(shooting up) drugs that resulted in Michael Jackson's death.

Like Murder on the Orential Express...they all killed him. They all
stuck a knife in him. What difference does it make which knife
killed him?

The Starmaker

I think it should be obvious by now to most people that... the law
enforcement people know already what is in the coroner's report

... and you don't.

, and
they want to get their man before it is announced to the public.

This is what it is all leading to..

They'll announce it,
they'll get their man, and
that's it.

I like the way you replied to your own post so you could ignore mine.

I didn't ignore it, it was just not worth responding too...

"too"? That means you ignored it, dummy.


Here, try these again:

So there's no reason to ever prescribe medication and all of it should
be outlawed?

and

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs (s)he
provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well, apparently, his
staff, knew the greater extent of his drug consumption, then who's
more responsible?

You answered

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable"

... so all the bystanders who *saw* what was going on bear no
responsibility, but the fifteenth doctor, unaware of Jackson's other
drug use, who gave him one prescription which, on its own, wouldn't be
anything to raise eyebrows over, bears all of it?



Bystanders? Maybe they should've called a doctor?

Maybe. Maybe the police. Either way, they didn't, and thus have more
responsibility for his death than doctor #2, or #5, or #8 have.

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:55:57 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:04:59 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

it was "well-known" among the Neverland staff that Jackson
had a drug problem -- "Yes, and people would say, his eyes
were rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know
what he was talking about."


Okay, here's another question you won't answer:

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs
(s)he provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well,
apparently, his staff, knew the greater extent of his drug
consumption, then who's more responsible? Jackson? His staff
who didn't call someone? Or the doctor who was personally
prescribing / providing a reasonable amount of pharmaceuticals?

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable" for
admiminstrating (shooting up) drugs that resulted in Michael
Jackson's death.

Like Murder on the Orential Express...they all killed him. They
all stuck a knife in him. What difference does it make which
knife killed him?

The Starmaker

I think it should be obvious by now to most people that... the law
enforcement people know already what is in the coroner's report

... and you don't.

, and
they want to get their man before it is announced to the public.

This is what it is all leading to..

They'll announce it,
they'll get their man, and
that's it.

I like the way you replied to your own post so you could ignore
mine.

I didn't ignore it, it was just not worth responding too...

"too"? That means you ignored it, dummy.


Here, try these again:

So there's no reason to ever prescribe medication and all of it
should be outlawed?

and

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs
(s)he provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well,
apparently, his staff, knew the greater extent of his drug
consumption, then who's more responsible?

You answered

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable"

... so all the bystanders who *saw* what was going on bear no
responsibility, but the fifteenth doctor, unaware of Jackson's other
drug use, who gave him one prescription which, on its own, wouldn't
be anything to raise eyebrows over, bears all of it?



Bystanders? Maybe they should've called a doctor?

Maybe. Maybe the police. Either way, they didn't, and thus have more
responsibility for his death than doctor #2, or #5, or #8 have.


So, Michael Jackson's eyes were
rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know what he was talking
about.

And who do you call? The doctors? They are the ones who rolled his eyes!
They are the problem, they are the killers, the murders.

The cops,
L.A.P.D.? What are they going to do? First thing they say is, "Get a
doctor!" Back to square one.

The Starmaker

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:15:24 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:55:57 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:04:59 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

it was "well-known" among the Neverland staff that Jackson
had a drug problem -- "Yes, and people would say, his eyes
were rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know
what he was talking about."


Okay, here's another question you won't answer:

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs
(s)he provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well,
apparently, his staff, knew the greater extent of his drug
consumption, then who's more responsible? Jackson? His staff
who didn't call someone? Or the doctor who was personally
prescribing / providing a reasonable amount of pharmaceuticals?

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable" for
admiminstrating (shooting up) drugs that resulted in Michael
Jackson's death.

Like Murder on the Orential Express...they all killed him. They
all stuck a knife in him. What difference does it make which
knife killed him?

The Starmaker

I think it should be obvious by now to most people that... the law
enforcement people know already what is in the coroner's report

... and you don't.

, and
they want to get their man before it is announced to the public.

This is what it is all leading to..

They'll announce it,
they'll get their man, and
that's it.

I like the way you replied to your own post so you could ignore
mine.

I didn't ignore it, it was just not worth responding too...

"too"? That means you ignored it, dummy.


Here, try these again:

So there's no reason to ever prescribe medication and all of it
should be outlawed?

and

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs
(s)he provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well,
apparently, his staff, knew the greater extent of his drug
consumption, then who's more responsible?

You answered

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable"

... so all the bystanders who *saw* what was going on bear no
responsibility, but the fifteenth doctor, unaware of Jackson's other
drug use, who gave him one prescription which, on its own, wouldn't
be anything to raise eyebrows over, bears all of it?



Bystanders? Maybe they should've called a doctor?

Maybe. Maybe the police. Either way, they didn't, and thus have more
responsibility for his death than doctor #2, or #5, or #8 have.


So, Michael Jackson's eyes were
rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know what he was talking
about.

And who do you call? The doctors? They are the ones who rolled his eyes!
They are the problem, they are the killers, the murders.

If you told a doctor that someone was addicted to drugs, he wouldn't
prescribe more, he'd tell him what to do to get well - but, like the
decision to doctor-shop and get multiple prescriptions from multiple
doctors under multiple names, the choice to do so would be his (unless he
could be institutoinalized, possibly with the help of his family).

You refuse repeatedly to answer the two questions:

- is it *ever* appropriate for a doctor to prescribe painkillers?

- is a doctor who is lied to by his patient and provides a reasonable
prescription for a medication (or what *would* be in the absence of other
prescriptions the patient obtained fradulently and/or under false
pretense) guilty of anything?

I will continue to point your non-answers out until you decide to answer
them.

The cops,
L.A.P.D.? What are they going to do? First thing they say is, "Get a
doctor!" Back to square one.

Commit him.

The Starmaker

KK wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:15:24 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:55:57 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:04:59 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

it was "well-known" among the Neverland staff that Jackson
had a drug problem -- "Yes, and people would say, his eyes
were rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know
what he was talking about."


Okay, here's another question you won't answer:

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs
he wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the
drugs (s)he provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as
well, apparently, his staff, knew the greater extent of his
drug consumption, then who's more responsible? Jackson? His
staff who didn't call someone? Or the doctor who was
personally prescribing / providing a reasonable amount of
pharmaceuticals?

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable" for
admiminstrating (shooting up) drugs that resulted in Michael
Jackson's death.

Like Murder on the Orential Express...they all killed him.
They all stuck a knife in him. What difference does it make
which knife killed him?

The Starmaker

I think it should be obvious by now to most people that... the
law enforcement people know already what is in the coroner's
report

... and you don't.

, and
they want to get their man before it is announced to the
public.

This is what it is all leading to..

They'll announce it,
they'll get their man, and
that's it.

I like the way you replied to your own post so you could ignore
mine.

I didn't ignore it, it was just not worth responding too...

"too"? That means you ignored it, dummy.


Here, try these again:

So there's no reason to ever prescribe medication and all of it
should be outlawed?

and

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs
(s)he provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well,
apparently, his staff, knew the greater extent of his drug
consumption, then who's more responsible?

You answered

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable"

... so all the bystanders who *saw* what was going on bear no
responsibility, but the fifteenth doctor, unaware of Jackson's
other drug use, who gave him one prescription which, on its own,
wouldn't be anything to raise eyebrows over, bears all of it?



Bystanders? Maybe they should've called a doctor?

Maybe. Maybe the police. Either way, they didn't, and thus have
more responsibility for his death than doctor #2, or #5, or #8 have.


So, Michael Jackson's eyes were
rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know what he was
talking about.

And who do you call? The doctors? They are the ones who rolled his
eyes! They are the problem, they are the killers, the murders.

If you told a doctor that someone was addicted to drugs, he wouldn't
prescribe more, he'd tell him what to do to get well - but, like the
decision to doctor-shop and get multiple prescriptions from multiple
doctors under multiple names, the choice to do so would be his (unless
he could be institutoinalized, possibly with the help of his family).

You refuse repeatedly to answer the two questions:

They are dumb questions! How do you expect anyone to answer a "dumb
question"?


- is it *ever* appropriate for a doctor to prescribe painkillers?

There is nothing appropriate here...you need to focus on this case, not
the meds
your doctor prescribed you.

- is a doctor who is lied to by his patient and provides a reasonable
prescription for a medication (or what *would* be in the absence of
other prescriptions the patient obtained fradulently and/or under false
pretense) guilty of anything?

I don't know how to even read questions like these! Can you translate
that in English?

I will continue to point your non-answers out until you decide to
answer them.

The cops,
L.A.P.D.? What are they going to do? First thing they say is, "Get a
doctor!" Back to square one.

Commit him.

Commit him to what, more doctors???? You don't get it do you. Why don't
you wait for the
coroner's report...

The Starmaker

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 13:06:22 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Wed, 15 Jul 2009 10:15:24 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 15:55:57 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:39:29 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

The Starmaker wrote:

KK wrote:

On Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:04:59 -0700, The Starmaker wrote:

it was "well-known" among the Neverland staff that Jackson
had a drug problem -- "Yes, and people would say, his eyes
were rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know
what he was talking about."


Okay, here's another question you won't answer:

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs
he wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the
drugs (s)he provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as
well, apparently, his staff, knew the greater extent of his
drug consumption, then who's more responsible? Jackson? His
staff who didn't call someone? Or the doctor who was
personally prescribing / providing a reasonable amount of
pharmaceuticals?

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable" for
admiminstrating (shooting up) drugs that resulted in Michael
Jackson's death.

Like Murder on the Orential Express...they all killed him.
They all stuck a knife in him. What difference does it make
which knife killed him?

The Starmaker

I think it should be obvious by now to most people that... the
law enforcement people know already what is in the coroner's
report

... and you don't.

, and
they want to get their man before it is announced to the
public.

This is what it is all leading to..

They'll announce it,
they'll get their man, and
that's it.

I like the way you replied to your own post so you could ignore
mine.

I didn't ignore it, it was just not worth responding too...

"too"? That means you ignored it, dummy.


Here, try these again:

So there's no reason to ever prescribe medication and all of it
should be outlawed?

and

If Jackson used multiple doctors to get the volume of drugs he
wanted (he did), and each doctor was only aware of the drugs
(s)he provided Jackson, but Jackson himself and as well,
apparently, his staff, knew the greater extent of his drug
consumption, then who's more responsible?

You answered

*All* the doctors have to be held "accountable"

... so all the bystanders who *saw* what was going on bear no
responsibility, but the fifteenth doctor, unaware of Jackson's
other drug use, who gave him one prescription which, on its own,
wouldn't be anything to raise eyebrows over, bears all of it?



Bystanders? Maybe they should've called a doctor?

Maybe. Maybe the police. Either way, they didn't, and thus have
more responsibility for his death than doctor #2, or #5, or #8 have.


So, Michael Jackson's eyes were
rolling in the back of his head and he wouldn't know what he was
talking about.

And who do you call? The doctors? They are the ones who rolled his
eyes! They are the problem, they are the killers, the murders.

If you told a doctor that someone was addicted to drugs, he wouldn't
prescribe more, he'd tell him what to do to get well - but, like the
decision to doctor-shop and get multiple prescriptions from multiple
doctors under multiple names, the choice to do so would be his (unless
he could be institutoinalized, possibly with the help of his family).

You refuse repeatedly to answer the two questions:

They are dumb questions! How do you expect anyone to answer a "dumb
question"?


- is it *ever* appropriate for a doctor to prescribe painkillers?

There is nothing appropriate here...you need to focus on this case, not
the meds
your doctor prescribed you.

You've made statements that all his doctors are responsible for his
death, and have said elsewhere they should be charged with murder and
belong in jail.

Your "logic" ... isn't.

And whether you can see the relevance of my
question to your ridiculous claims or not, it's relevant.

Since you're squirming so hard to not answer a very simple question,
though, I think you see exactly how it's relevant. But even if you
don't, what's the harm of answering?

Yes or no: is it *ever* appropriate for a doctor to prescribe painkillers?

- is a doctor who is lied to by his patient and provides a reasonable
prescription for a medication (or what *would* be in the absence of
other prescriptions the patient obtained fradulently and/or under false
pretense) guilty of anything?

I don't know how to even read questions like these! Can you translate
that in English?

You mean "into" English? It's in perfectly good English. I'll dumb it
down for you.

Let's say a hypothetical person - we'll call him "Michael" - wants more
prescription medication than he should be allowed by any reasonable
doctor. Let's say he goes to five doctors, all of whom are unaware of
each other. And let's also say he uses false names for himself, further
confusing what he's been prescribed and by whom.

Understandable so far?

Now let's say he goes to doctor number six, tell them he has knee/back/
ankle injuries from dancing. Or that he has pancreatitis. Or anything
whose discomfort is cause to prescribe whatever he's looking for.

Let's say, also, that the prescription doctor number six writes for him,
or whatever drug he administers, would be perfectly safe for any human
the size of "Michael", as long as the warnings and dosage on the pill
bottle are followed.

Now let's say that Michael takes whatever pills he has left from docs
1,2,3,4, and 5. Still wanting more, he takes his new prescription, and
his heart stops.

You've said that doctor number six in an instance like this is guilty of
murder. Do you still believe that?

I will continue to point your non-answers out until you decide to
answer them.

The cops,
L.A.P.D.? What are they going to do? First thing they say is, "Get a
doctor!" Back to square one.

Commit him.

Commit him to what, more doctors???? You don't get it do you. Why don't
you wait for the
coroner's report...

My point this entire thread has been that you know nothing: why don't
*YOU* wait for the coroner's report before declaring that his doctor(s?)
should be imprisoned?

Source: Propofol the Focus of Raid on Dr. Conrad Murray's Houston
Office

A lawyer for Jackson's doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, says police were
searching the clinic for evidence of manslaughter.

What's "manslaughter" mean? I slaughter a man it's called Murder,
isn't it?

Machu Monido wrote:

The Starmaker <starmaker at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:4A67EC73.23E2 at (no spam) ix.netcom.com:

Source: Propofol the Focus of Raid on Dr. Conrad Murray's Houston
Office

A lawyer for Jackson's doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, says police were
searching the clinic for evidence of manslaughter.

What's "manslaughter" mean? I slaughter a man it's called Murder,
isn't it?

You're the stupidest man alive.

Obama: Doctors Taking Tonsils Out For Money Instead Of Diagnosing It
As Allergies

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/22/obama_doctors_taking
_
tonsils_out_for_money_instead_of_diagnosing_it_as_allergies.html

Starmaker: Doctors Taking Michael Jacksin Out For Money,
Diagnose.....Murder.

The Starmaker <starmaker at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:4A67EC73.23E2 at (no spam) ix.netcom.com:

Source: Propofol the Focus of Raid on Dr. Conrad Murray's Houston
Office

A lawyer for Jackson's doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, says police were
searching the clinic for evidence of manslaughter.

What's "manslaughter" mean? I slaughter a man it's called Murder,
isn't it?

You're the stupidest man alive.

Machu Monido wrote:

The Starmaker <starmaker at (no spam) ix.netcom.com> wrote in
news:4A67EC73.23E2 at (no spam) ix.netcom.com:

Source: Propofol the Focus of Raid on Dr. Conrad Murray's Houston
Office

A lawyer for Jackson's doctor, Dr. Conrad Murray, says police were
searching the clinic for evidence of manslaughter.

What's "manslaughter" mean? I slaughter a man it's called Murder,
isn't it?

You're the stupidest man alive.

Obama: Doctors Taking Tonsils Out For Money Instead Of Diagnosing It As Allergies

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2009/07/22/obama_doctors_taking_tonsils_out_for_money_instead_of_diagnosing_it_as_allergies.html

Starmaker: Doctors Taking Michael Jacksin Out For Money, Diagnose.....Murder.

The Starmaker

MICHAEL Jackson was "killed" by a shot of powerful painkiller Demerol given by an aide as his personal
medic Dr Conrad Murray slept, The Sun can reveal.
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2568359/Aide-killed-Jacko-with-Demerol-hit-as-doctor-Conrad-Murray-slept.html

What does "killed" mean?

"If you try to count backward from 100 after it's injected, you don't get to 97," says Dr. Wischmeyer.

I WANT SOME!

Propofol is readily accessible in most hospital supply rooms, sometimes along with Band-Aids and antibiotic ointments.

Where do they keep the band-aids? I want some of that Propofol they call it "dancing with a white rabbit".



The Starmaker wrote:

"If you try to count backward from 100 after it's injected, you don't get to 97," says Dr. Wischmeyer.

I WANT SOME!