Finally got my hands on Remote Audio's HN-7506 headphones last week an
gave
them a try in a vehicle. The director wanted to do some
narration/interview
while driving. The interviewee behind the wheel, photog in passenger seat,
me in the back. Cooper 104 ppm mixer(first rolloff position), Sonotrim lav
on driver(shot was so wide i couldn't sneak anything else in) Here's my
question: the rumble from the vehicle(a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee driving
at
speeds from 30 to 50mph on rough asphalt) was showing up on my meters at
around -8 and on the HD camera at -25 to -20db. I could see it on the
meters
but could not hear it in the HN-7506's. We stopped for a tape change and I
grabbed my trusty 7506's and when back out on the road plugged in and
took
a listen...there was all the road and rumble noise that I could not hear
in
the HN version.I have to say that the driver's audio sounded great on the
HN's but could not figure out why I wasn't hearing that which I could
clearly see on my meters. Anyone have any thoughts
thanks

Finally got my hands on Remote Audio's HN-7506 headphones last week an gave
them a try in a vehicle. The director wanted to do some narration/interview
while driving. The interviewee behind the wheel, photog in passenger seat,
me in the back. Cooper 104 ppm mixer(first rolloff position), Sonotrim lav
on driver(shot was so wide i couldn't sneak anything else in) Here's my
question: the rumble from the vehicle(a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee driving at
speeds from 30 to 50mph on rough asphalt) was showing up on my meters at
around -8 and on the HD camera at -25 to -20db. I could see it on the meters
but could not hear it in the HN-7506's. We stopped for a tape change and I
grabbed my trusty 7506's and when back out on the road plugged in and took
a listen...there was all the road and rumble noise that I could not hear in
the HN version.I have to say that the driver's audio sounded great on the
HN's but could not figure out why I wasn't hearing that which I could
clearly see on my meters. Anyone have any thoughts
thanks

The frequency response isn't very flat below ~300Hz?

John

Jeff wrote:

Finally got my hands on Remote Audio's HN-7506 headphones last week an
gave
them a try in a vehicle. The director wanted to do some
narration/interview
while driving. The interviewee behind the wheel, photog in passenger
seat,
me in the back. Cooper 104 ppm mixer(first rolloff position), Sonotrim
lav
on driver(shot was so wide i couldn't sneak anything else in) Here's my
question: the rumble from the vehicle(a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee driving
at
speeds from 30 to 50mph on rough asphalt) was showing up on my meters at
around -8 and on the HD camera at -25 to -20db. I could see it on the
meters
but could not hear it in the HN-7506's. We stopped for a tape change and
I
grabbed my trusty 7506's and when back out on the road plugged in and
took
a listen...there was all the road and rumble noise that I could not hear
in
the HN version.I have to say that the driver's audio sounded great on
the
HN's but could not figure out why I wasn't hearing that which I could
clearly see on my meters. Anyone have any thoughts
thanks

not really clear on what you meant there john, but like oleg said earlier
can't hear boom handling noise with these either especially when the full
zep is on the
end...i could only charecterize the sound as "dry" as compared to the
regular 7506's
jeff

"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <jg@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:cb88r3$jk4$1@pcls4.std.com...
The frequency response isn't very flat below ~300Hz?

John

Jeff wrote:

Finally got my hands on Remote Audio's HN-7506 headphones last week an
gave
them a try in a vehicle. The director wanted to do some
narration/interview
while driving. The interviewee behind the wheel, photog in passenger
seat,
me in the back. Cooper 104 ppm mixer(first rolloff position), Sonotrim
lav
on driver(shot was so wide i couldn't sneak anything else in) Here's my
question: the rumble from the vehicle(a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee driving
at
speeds from 30 to 50mph on rough asphalt) was showing up on my meters at
around -8 and on the HD camera at -25 to -20db. I could see it on the
meters
but could not hear it in the HN-7506's. We stopped for a tape change and
I
grabbed my trusty 7506's and when back out on the road plugged in and
took
a listen...there was all the road and rumble noise that I could not hear
in
the HN version.I have to say that the driver's audio sounded great on
the
HN's but could not figure out why I wasn't hearing that which I could
clearly see on my meters. Anyone have any thoughts
thanks

I checked out the HN-7506 phones today that Jeff used and found them
to be normal for the Remote Audio HN-7506. Compared to a new set of
Sony MDR-7506 phones, they were very close; much closer than, for
example, than the Sennheiser MD-280 which are considered very close to
the Sony MDR-7506. Listening to voice through a Sennheiser MKH-60
microphone (switches flat, distance about 1 meter), for all practical
purposes there was no difference between the two phones.

True, low frequency transients (rumble) are slightly less apparent
with the HN-7506 compared to the Sony MDR-7506. This is partly due to
the perception of the user and partly due to slight reduction in low
freq transient response because of the mechanics required to achieve
the extreme amount of isolation of the HN-7506 phones.

The main complaint I hear about the Sony MDR-7506 phones is that they
have a false exaggerated low end, which is true. However, I, for one,
have always appreciated this flaw because it allowed me to hear rumble
before it became a problem, giving me a chance to deal with it. The
HN-7506 phones give slightly less warning when it comes to rumble. But
it is also true that if the rumble is not heard when using the HN-7506
phones, it is highly probable that the same rumble seen on the meter
is not going to be problem.

Jeff, I am curious to know if you compared the two types of phones
while listening to playback in a quiet(er) place. This would be the
best way to make a valuable comparison. I say this because it is
possible that, when hearing rumble from outside the headphones when
using the less isolating Sony MDR-7506, there can be the perception of
increased low freq.

Thanks for the feedback.

Glen Trew


"Jeff" <j.hoien@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<TDOBc.21287$a61.2284@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
not really clear on what you meant there john, but like oleg said
earlier
can't hear boom handling noise with these either especially when the
full
zep is on the
end...i could only charecterize the sound as "dry" as compared to the
regular 7506's
jeff

"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <jg@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:cb88r3$jk4$1@pcls4.std.com...
The frequency response isn't very flat below ~300Hz?

John

Jeff wrote:

Finally got my hands on Remote Audio's HN-7506 headphones last week
an
gave
them a try in a vehicle. The director wanted to do some
narration/interview
while driving. The interviewee behind the wheel, photog in passenger
seat,
me in the back. Cooper 104 ppm mixer(first rolloff position),
Sonotrim
lav
on driver(shot was so wide i couldn't sneak anything else in) Here's
my
question: the rumble from the vehicle(a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee
driving
at
speeds from 30 to 50mph on rough asphalt) was showing up on my
meters at
around -8 and on the HD camera at -25 to -20db. I could see it on
the
meters
but could not hear it in the HN-7506's. We stopped for a tape change
and
I
grabbed my trusty 7506's and when back out on the road plugged in
and
took
a listen...there was all the road and rumble noise that I could not
hear
in
the HN version.I have to say that the driver's audio sounded great
on
the
HN's but could not figure out why I wasn't hearing that which I
could
clearly see on my meters. Anyone have any thoughts
thanks

I checked out the HN-7506 phones today that Jeff used and found them
to be normal for the Remote Audio HN-7506. Compared to a new set of
Sony MDR-7506 phones, they were very close; much closer than, for
example, than the Sennheiser MD-280 which are considered very close to
the Sony MDR-7506. Listening to voice through a Sennheiser MKH-60
microphone (switches flat, distance about 1 meter), for all practical
purposes there was no difference between the two phones.

True, low frequency transients (rumble) are slightly less apparent
with the HN-7506 compared to the Sony MDR-7506. This is partly due to
the perception of the user and partly due to slight reduction in low
freq transient response because of the mechanics required to achieve
the extreme amount of isolation of the HN-7506 phones.

The main complaint I hear about the Sony MDR-7506 phones is that they
have a false exaggerated low end, which is true. However, I, for one,
have always appreciated this flaw because it allowed me to hear rumble
before it became a problem, giving me a chance to deal with it. The
HN-7506 phones give slightly less warning when it comes to rumble. But
it is also true that if the rumble is not heard when using the HN-7506
phones, it is highly probable that the same rumble seen on the meter
is not going to be problem.

Jeff, I am curious to know if you compared the two types of phones
while listening to playback in a quiet(er) place. This would be the
best way to make a valuable comparison. I say this because it is
possible that, when hearing rumble from outside the headphones when
using the less isolating Sony MDR-7506, there can be the perception of
increased low freq.

Thanks for the feedback.

Glen Trew


"Jeff" <j.hoien@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<TDOBc.21287$a61.2284@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
not really clear on what you meant there john, but like oleg said
earlier
can't hear boom handling noise with these either especially when the
full
zep is on the
end...i could only charecterize the sound as "dry" as compared to the
regular 7506's
jeff

"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <jg@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:cb88r3$jk4$1@pcls4.std.com...
The frequency response isn't very flat below ~300Hz?

John

Jeff wrote:

Finally got my hands on Remote Audio's HN-7506 headphones last week
an
gave
them a try in a vehicle. The director wanted to do some
narration/interview
while driving. The interviewee behind the wheel, photog in passenger
seat,
me in the back. Cooper 104 ppm mixer(first rolloff position),
Sonotrim
lav
on driver(shot was so wide i couldn't sneak anything else in) Here's
my
question: the rumble from the vehicle(a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee
driving
at
speeds from 30 to 50mph on rough asphalt) was showing up on my
meters at
around -8 and on the HD camera at -25 to -20db. I could see it on
the
meters
but could not hear it in the HN-7506's. We stopped for a tape change
and
I
grabbed my trusty 7506's and when back out on the road plugged in
and
took
a listen...there was all the road and rumble noise that I could not
hear
in
the HN version.I have to say that the driver's audio sounded great
on
the
HN's but could not figure out why I wasn't hearing that which I
could
clearly see on my meters. Anyone have any thoughts
thanks

Glen, thanks for taking a listen to the phones. Yes I did listen to playback
with and without the HN and regular 7506's in a quiter place.. Sounded the
same in the phones as when it was being laid down...could see the rumble/low
end freq.'s on the meters but could not hear them with the HN's but could
with the regular 7506's. As i said earlier the troublesome part was seeing
the noise on the meters but not being able to hear it unless i switched to
the regular 7506's. The dialogue sounded great with the
HN.'s but it was very much like i had switched in some heavy filtering in
to
take out the low end. It also occured to me that if it sounds this good now
will it sound the same in post or will they hear the stuff I can't and I'll
get a call. How can i see this on the meters and not
hear it i kept asking myself. The other little thing is that i could not
hear the super low freq.'s generated by hands/fingers on the boom when i had
the full zep on. And like you said the MDR-7506's exaggerate the low end.
Are the Sony's hearing too much?
Maybe it's just me...learning to trust a different piece of gear. If i
could i would use them for everything i do and would still like too.
Glen, one final note...i made a transcription tape of the in vehicle
interview/narration...on my pristine wm-d6c dolby b on...if you would like
to hear it i will send it, at least you will be able to a/b the two
headphones..just a thought
thanks glen
jeff


"Glen Trew" <glen@trewaudio.com> wrote in message
news:8a11947.0406282016.5baa73a@posting.google.com...
I checked out the HN-7506 phones today that Jeff used and found them
to be normal for the Remote Audio HN-7506. Compared to a new set of
Sony MDR-7506 phones, they were very close; much closer than, for
example, than the Sennheiser MD-280 which are considered very close to
the Sony MDR-7506. Listening to voice through a Sennheiser MKH-60
microphone (switches flat, distance about 1 meter), for all practical
purposes there was no difference between the two phones.

True, low frequency transients (rumble) are slightly less apparent
with the HN-7506 compared to the Sony MDR-7506. This is partly due to
the perception of the user and partly due to slight reduction in low
freq transient response because of the mechanics required to achieve
the extreme amount of isolation of the HN-7506 phones.

The main complaint I hear about the Sony MDR-7506 phones is that they
have a false exaggerated low end, which is true. However, I, for one,
have always appreciated this flaw because it allowed me to hear rumble
before it became a problem, giving me a chance to deal with it. The
HN-7506 phones give slightly less warning when it comes to rumble. But
it is also true that if the rumble is not heard when using the HN-7506
phones, it is highly probable that the same rumble seen on the meter
is not going to be problem.

Jeff, I am curious to know if you compared the two types of phones
while listening to playback in a quiet(er) place. This would be the
best way to make a valuable comparison. I say this because it is
possible that, when hearing rumble from outside the headphones when
using the less isolating Sony MDR-7506, there can be the perception of
increased low freq.

Thanks for the feedback.

Glen Trew


"Jeff" <j.hoien@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<TDOBc.21287$a61.2284@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
not really clear on what you meant there john, but like oleg said
earlier
can't hear boom handling noise with these either especially when the
full
zep is on the
end...i could only charecterize the sound as "dry" as compared to the
regular 7506's
jeff

"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <jg@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:cb88r3$jk4$1@pcls4.std.com...
The frequency response isn't very flat below ~300Hz?

John

Jeff wrote:

Finally got my hands on Remote Audio's HN-7506 headphones last week
an
gave
them a try in a vehicle. The director wanted to do some
narration/interview
while driving. The interviewee behind the wheel, photog in passenger
seat,
me in the back. Cooper 104 ppm mixer(first rolloff position),
Sonotrim
lav
on driver(shot was so wide i couldn't sneak anything else in) Here's
my
question: the rumble from the vehicle(a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee
driving
at
speeds from 30 to 50mph on rough asphalt) was showing up on my
meters at
around -8 and on the HD camera at -25 to -20db. I could see it on
the
meters
but could not hear it in the HN-7506's. We stopped for a tape change
and
I
grabbed my trusty 7506's and when back out on the road plugged in
and
took
a listen...there was all the road and rumble noise that I could not
hear
in
the HN version.I have to say that the driver's audio sounded great
on
the
HN's but could not figure out why I wasn't hearing that which I
could
clearly see on my meters. Anyone have any thoughts
thanks





"Glen Trew" <glen@trewaudio.com> wrote in message
news:8a11947.0406282016.5baa73a@posting.google.com...
I checked out the HN-7506 phones today that Jeff used and found them
to be normal for the Remote Audio HN-7506. Compared to a new set of
Sony MDR-7506 phones, they were very close; much closer than, for
example, than the Sennheiser MD-280 which are considered very close to
the Sony MDR-7506. Listening to voice through a Sennheiser MKH-60
microphone (switches flat, distance about 1 meter), for all practical
purposes there was no difference between the two phones.

True, low frequency transients (rumble) are slightly less apparent
with the HN-7506 compared to the Sony MDR-7506. This is partly due to
the perception of the user and partly due to slight reduction in low
freq transient response because of the mechanics required to achieve
the extreme amount of isolation of the HN-7506 phones.

The main complaint I hear about the Sony MDR-7506 phones is that they
have a false exaggerated low end, which is true. However, I, for one,
have always appreciated this flaw because it allowed me to hear rumble
before it became a problem, giving me a chance to deal with it. The
HN-7506 phones give slightly less warning when it comes to rumble. But
it is also true that if the rumble is not heard when using the HN-7506
phones, it is highly probable that the same rumble seen on the meter
is not going to be problem.

Jeff, I am curious to know if you compared the two types of phones
while listening to playback in a quiet(er) place. This would be the
best way to make a valuable comparison. I say this because it is
possible that, when hearing rumble from outside the headphones when
using the less isolating Sony MDR-7506, there can be the perception of
increased low freq.

Thanks for the feedback.

Glen Trew


"Jeff" <j.hoien@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:<TDOBc.21287$a61.2284@nwrddc01.gnilink.net>...
not really clear on what you meant there john, but like oleg said
earlier
can't hear boom handling noise with these either especially when the
full
zep is on the
end...i could only charecterize the sound as "dry" as compared to the
regular 7506's
jeff

"G. John Garrett, C.A.S" <jg@soundcartREMOVE.com> wrote in message
news:cb88r3$jk4$1@pcls4.std.com...
The frequency response isn't very flat below ~300Hz?

John

Jeff wrote:

Finally got my hands on Remote Audio's HN-7506 headphones last week
an
gave
them a try in a vehicle. The director wanted to do some
narration/interview
while driving. The interviewee behind the wheel, photog in passenger
seat,
me in the back. Cooper 104 ppm mixer(first rolloff position),
Sonotrim
lav
on driver(shot was so wide i couldn't sneak anything else in) Here's
my
question: the rumble from the vehicle(a 2004 Jeep Grand Cherokee
driving
at
speeds from 30 to 50mph on rough asphalt) was showing up on my
meters at
around -8 and on the HD camera at -25 to -20db. I could see it on
the
meters
but could not hear it in the HN-7506's. We stopped for a tape change
and
I
grabbed my trusty 7506's and when back out on the road plugged in
and
took
a listen...there was all the road and rumble noise that I could not
hear
in
the HN version.I have to say that the driver's audio sounded great
on
the
HN's but could not figure out why I wasn't hearing that which I
could
clearly see on my meters. Anyone have any thoughts
thanks

Again, thanks for the feedback. It does sound like you did proper
trouble shooting and that the difference you heard was due to the
different phones.

To your question of how it would sound in post, I bet that the rumble
you heard with the Sony phones will be all but unnoticed over the
monitor speakers in the control room. I say this because of the
exaggerated low freq response of the Sony phones. If it is a problem
in post, it will be a simple matter to roll it off in post (precisely
where it usually should be done).

I do want to point out that, while the HN-7506 phones do not have
quite the exaggerated low freq response of the MDR-7506 phones, they
are still very close in every other respect (but with extreme
isolation) and not nearly as low-freq empty as the old standard DT-48
phones.

Glen Trew