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Paul Penna...
Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2009 7:32 pm
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When I first began exploring the Kodachrome slides archived here:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp

I noticed that the earliest examples were off-color. Further
investigation of the site led me to this page:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/projectInfo/colorRestoration.jsp

which states "Early Kodachrome color slide film, from the time of its
release in 1935 until the film and processing methods were modified in
1938, fades and becomes red."

This was the first I'd heard that Kodachrome wasn't fade-resistent from
the get-go. Sounds like an interesting story here.
 
Martin Hart...
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 12:34 am
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In article <tterrace-9E16A0.18321601072009 at (no spam) nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net>,
tterrace at (no spam) sonic.net says...
Quote:
When I first began exploring the Kodachrome slides archived here:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp

I noticed that the earliest examples were off-color. Further
investigation of the site led me to this page:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/projectInfo/colorRestoration.jsp

which states "Early Kodachrome color slide film, from the time of its
release in 1935 until the film and processing methods were modified in
1938, fades and becomes red."

This was the first I'd heard that Kodachrome wasn't fade-resistent from
the get-go. Sounds like an interesting story here.


Many years ago National Geographic did an article on color photographs
including Kodachrome and, yes, the initial emulsion was not dye fade
resistant. But according to them the fading version was released in
1935 and was replaced approximately one year later. They provided
comparative examples of the two emulsions

Marty
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The American WideScreen Museum
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/
 
Derek Gee...
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:46 pm
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"Paul Penna" <tterrace at (no spam) sonic.net> wrote in message
news:tterrace-9E16A0.18321601072009 at (no spam) nnrp-virt.nntp.sonic.net...
Quote:
When I first began exploring the Kodachrome slides archived here:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp

I noticed that the earliest examples were off-color. Further
investigation of the site led me to this page:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/projectInfo/colorRestoration.jsp

which states "Early Kodachrome color slide film, from the time of its
release in 1935 until the film and processing methods were modified in
1938, fades and becomes red."

This was the first I'd heard that Kodachrome wasn't fade-resistent from
the get-go. Sounds like an interesting story here.

Thanks for that link! Did you see how they were able to restore the faded
Kodachromes by using known fading patterns to recreate mathematically what
the dyes on the slide might have been like at the time of processing?
Amazing! I assume you could use similar fading data for motion picture
restoration as well.

Derek
 
Peter...
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 7:56 pm
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On 2009-07-02 18:46:55 -0700, "Derek Gee"
<dgeeSPAMSUCKS at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com> said:

Quote:
Did you see how they were able to restore the faded
Kodachromes by using known fading patterns to recreate mathematically what
the dyes on the slide might have been like at the time of processing?
Amazing! I assume you could use similar fading data for motion picture
restoration as well.

I believe Peter Kuran offers this service for faded Eastmancolor negatives.

His solution, as I undersand it, is to make a separate Y mask (the Y
layer is the one which fades the fastest) and then to bi-pack the faded
original and the Y mask, thereby regaining a usable YCM element.

I suppose the same could be done using a Y silver separation which was
printed onto a Y-only Eastmancolor intermediate, and then using his
bi-pack approach.

Of course, the latter approach would require a good separation element,
and not all seps were made properly or were ever answered-back to prove
their integrity.

--
CinemaScopeŽ: The Modern Miracle You See without Special Glasses!
 
Steve Kraus...
Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2009 9:39 pm
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You might find this interesting as well:

http://tinyurl.com/l2gnfh

(Link is to an excerpt of "Restoration of Motion Picture Film")
 
Paul Penna...
Posted: Fri Jul 03, 2009 10:52 pm
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In article <4a4d630b$0$11859$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com>,
"Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSUCKS at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote:

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"Paul Penna" <tterrace at (no spam) sonic.net> wrote in message
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When I first began exploring the Kodachrome slides archived here:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp

I noticed that the earliest examples were off-color. Further
investigation of the site led me to this page:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/projectInfo/colorRestoration.jsp

which states "Early Kodachrome color slide film, from the time of its
release in 1935 until the film and processing methods were modified in
1938, fades and becomes red."

This was the first I'd heard that Kodachrome wasn't fade-resistent from
the get-go. Sounds like an interesting story here.

Thanks for that link! Did you see how they were able to restore the faded
Kodachromes by using known fading patterns to recreate mathematically what
the dyes on the slide might have been like at the time of processing?
Amazing! I assume you could use similar fading data for motion picture
restoration as well.

Derek

Did you notice that on the page for each individual shot there's a link
to the original unrestored slide? Without denigrating the accomplishment
in any way, I would characterize the restorations as "amazingly less
bad." Note how they resemble two-color processes.

The whole collection is an amazing resource. You can spend hours and
hours going back in time.
 
Derek Gee...
Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2009 12:53 pm
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"Paul Penna" <tterrace at (no spam) sonic.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
In article <4a4d630b$0$11859$9a6e19ea at (no spam) unlimited.newshosting.com>,
"Derek Gee" <dgeeSPAMSUCKS at (no spam) twmi.INVALID.rr.com> wrote:

"Paul Penna" <tterrace at (no spam) sonic.net> wrote in message
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When I first began exploring the Kodachrome slides archived here:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/index.jsp

I noticed that the earliest examples were off-color. Further
investigation of the site led me to this page:

http://webapp1.dlib.indiana.edu/cushman/projectInfo/colorRestoration.jsp

which states "Early Kodachrome color slide film, from the time of its
release in 1935 until the film and processing methods were modified in
1938, fades and becomes red."

This was the first I'd heard that Kodachrome wasn't fade-resistent from
the get-go. Sounds like an interesting story here.

Thanks for that link! Did you see how they were able to restore the
faded
Kodachromes by using known fading patterns to recreate mathematically
what
the dyes on the slide might have been like at the time of processing?
Amazing! I assume you could use similar fading data for motion picture
restoration as well.

Derek

Did you notice that on the page for each individual shot there's a link
to the original unrestored slide? Without denigrating the accomplishment
in any way, I would characterize the restorations as "amazingly less
bad." Note how they resemble two-color processes.

The whole collection is an amazing resource. You can spend hours and
hours going back in time.

I see what you mean. It really depends on each photo, as some were more
successfully restored than others.

Color restoration is very difficult. I've done a lot of digital B & W photo
restoration, but only limited work with color restoration. Most of the
color work that I've done, I was able to use the scanner tools to replace
and balance the missing color. Much of the professional work that I've seen
on severely faded originals tends to look more hand-colored than restored.

Given that the Swiss lab tools are automated, I still think it's pretty
remarkable. If you follow the links over to the Swiss website, you can run
some mpegs of their restoration process applied to old movie film (mostly
pre-war Agfa and some later Kodak). I'm not sure their processes stack up
to the latest from the DTS Digital Imaging (formerly Lowry now part of
Reliance), but it's still pretty cool to me. I wish I had those tools on my
PC!

Derek
 
 
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