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Whitney Ince...
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 3:42 pm
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Considering buying a new package what would you get per day for the
following package?

Sound Devices 442
4 411 wireless
1 plug on tx
Zaxcom Eng Hop
Sanken cs3e and boompole

1 comtek tx and 2 comtek rx

4 Countryman emw lavs?


Thanks
Sergio Sanmiguel...
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 5:53 pm
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On May 10, 8:58 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Whitney Ince" <whitneyi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f21f8b19-b8cc-432c-9771-ce19a3da51d7 at (no spam) 27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

Considering buying a new package what would you get per day for the
following package?

Sound Devices 442
4 411 wireless
1 plug on tx
Zaxcom Eng Hop
Sanken cs3e and boompole

1 comtek tx and 2 comtek rx

4 Countryman emw lavs?

Thanks

Don't really think you can quantify it completely unless you state what
types of jobs and where you are located. If it's for a network you are gonna
get $75 with two RF mics, for other ENG type of jobs you can ask from $150
to $200 for that package with 2 RF mics and probably not meet much
opposition.

I don't think any ENG job is going to want the full package with 6 RF
channels unless the job needs additional RF mics. Fact is that unless you
are buying this for work with a specific client and you have negotiated it
up front, there is NO standard at all and everything depends on your
personal demand as a mixer and what your particular market will bear. It's
all find and dandy to add up retail rental house prices and set some value
but very few people will pay you rental house prices, nor will they hire you
with a similar package provided by a rental house. In Seattle for standard
corporate jobs I'm taking out a similar package with 2 RF mics included for
$200 per day. Unfortunately in most cases the gear is part of one's
advertising budget  to get jobs and you have to make accommodations and find
the sweet spot that keeps you busy. If one were to try to rationalize the
purchase of gear strictly from the return on equipment rental it would
rarely add up in a way that makes financial sense in a reasonable period of
time.

Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA

For that kind of sound package you should charge the least $800/day...
~
SS
Charles Tomaras...
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 8:58 pm
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"Whitney Ince" <whitneyince at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
Considering buying a new package what would you get per day for the
following package?

Sound Devices 442
4 411 wireless
1 plug on tx
Zaxcom Eng Hop
Sanken cs3e and boompole

1 comtek tx and 2 comtek rx

4 Countryman emw lavs?


Thanks


Don't really think you can quantify it completely unless you state what
types of jobs and where you are located. If it's for a network you are gonna
get $75 with two RF mics, for other ENG type of jobs you can ask from $150
to $200 for that package with 2 RF mics and probably not meet much
opposition.

I don't think any ENG job is going to want the full package with 6 RF
channels unless the job needs additional RF mics. Fact is that unless you
are buying this for work with a specific client and you have negotiated it
up front, there is NO standard at all and everything depends on your
personal demand as a mixer and what your particular market will bear. It's
all find and dandy to add up retail rental house prices and set some value
but very few people will pay you rental house prices, nor will they hire you
with a similar package provided by a rental house. In Seattle for standard
corporate jobs I'm taking out a similar package with 2 RF mics included for
$200 per day. Unfortunately in most cases the gear is part of one's
advertising budget to get jobs and you have to make accommodations and find
the sweet spot that keeps you busy. If one were to try to rationalize the
purchase of gear strictly from the return on equipment rental it would
rarely add up in a way that makes financial sense in a reasonable period of
time.

Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA
Charles Tomaras...
Posted: Sat May 10, 2008 11:48 pm
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"Sergio Sanmiguel" <soundsorcerer at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message
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On May 10, 8:58 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Whitney Ince" <whitneyi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f21f8b19-b8cc-432c-9771-ce19a3da51d7 at (no spam) 27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

Considering buying a new package what would you get per day for the
following package?

Sound Devices 442
4 411 wireless
1 plug on tx
Zaxcom Eng Hop
Sanken cs3e and boompole

1 comtek tx and 2 comtek rx

4 Countryman emw lavs?

Thanks


Quote:
For that kind of sound package you should charge the least $800/day...
~
SS

Heck Sergio I don't think a big feature mixer get's $800 a day for a full
film package. No client in the ENG, EFP, Corporate world is going to hire a
mixer with a package for those kinds of rates. Nice dream, but not reality.
David...
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 3:21 pm
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On May 11, 3:48 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:
Quote:
"jazzology" <jazzology... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 11, 3:17 am, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:





"jeff c" <soundmixe... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 11, 1:01 am, jeff c <soundmixe... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On May 10, 11:48 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"Sergio Sanmiguel" <soundsorce... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 10, 8:58 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"Whitney Ince" <whitneyi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f21f8b19-b8cc-432c-9771-ce19a3da51d7 at (no spam) 27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

Considering buying a new package what would you get per day for
the
following package?

Sound Devices 442
4 411 wireless
1 plug on tx
Zaxcom Eng Hop
Sanken cs3e and boompole

1 comtek tx and 2 comtek rx

4 Countryman emw lavs?

Thanks
For that kind of sound package you should charge the least
$800/day...
~
SS

Heck Sergio I don't think a big feature mixer get's $800 a day for a
full
film package. No client in the ENG, EFP, Corporate world is going to
hire a
mixer with a package for those kinds of rates. Nice dream, but not
reality.

I'm just charging between 450 and 1250 per 10 hours... equipment
included. The Net jobs, I get to use the photographer's gear so...
it's the "Labor" rate of aprox 400 for 8... if I'm to genlock
(trilevel or whatever)two or more cameras... or just show them all a
slate... it's going to cost$. All the old "standards" are out the
window... every man for hisself!!! bee good, charge what you want...
at (no spam) 200 per day... WTF sinking the ship for everyone... that is the the
"Anchor" in all the crap heard here from supposedly experienced ops.
JeEEZus... I ' know veggies are cheaper... but how long can you live
with your parents ???
Bite Me
Jeff C

What's with all the anger? We are not talking commercials or high end jobs
here...we are talking about running around with a bag and a couple of
wireless. You just are not going to find clients in my neck of the woods
that are going to pay big bucks for gear. You can find a well equipped
sound
mixer with decent experience for between $450 and $700 inclusive ANYWHERE
in
the USA. I'm not dragging anything down...I'm on the high end for Seattle.
When I talk with producers coming to town they aren't paying anyone
anywhere
much more. Who is paying you a thousand bucks for a bag job?
Charlie... If I mis-percieved that you were working for 200 a day
inclusive, I apologize.

No problem, my 2008 book rate for a straight ahead corporate listen to the
air conditioner job is $500 for 10 hours and $200 for a gear package with a
couple of RF mics, a Lectro IFB, 442 and a good mic. That's on the high side
of things for Seattle and I doubt any of the more youthful mixers in Seattle
are charging more than $550 for the same package. For the extra money I
provide many years of experience, equipment redundancy, confident attitude
on the shoot and lots of follow through after the shoot when needed to make
sure everyone is pleased. While I do roll my 744t on nearly everything, I
charge extra for transcription and for delivery of uncompressed files. I'm
also understanding of production changes and demands with my good clients
and rarely do I charge them for cancellations nor do I ding them excessively
for occasional unplanned overtime because I always remember the many 2 hour
full days they have given me in the past. In short, I bring good gear, I do
a good job, and I try to be flexible and fair. This has allowed me to make a
decent living, purchase a house and have some hope for a reasonable
retirement when that time comes.

Jeff...you're really gonna hate me when I start bringing the 788t in the bag
to all my gigs! Smile- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would love to invite you all to move to Nashville to help us change
things. The rates here with gear (mixer, boom mic, two wirelesses)
range from $350-$450/10 hr day. There is one person that goes for
$500 with gear. Prices are largely driven by the camera ops that get
the jobs. They will work for a set price and expect you to come in
for a smaller piece of the pie. Almost all of them keep their clients
close and you have no way of going directly to the client to negotiate
your rate.
No matter what your market is someone will always work for less.
I think most of us enjoy what we do and would like to be paid a decent
wage for what we bring to the table, experience, gear and technical
knowhow.

Thanks
David Rogers
jazzology...
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:19 pm
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On May 11, 8:21 pm, David <dr... at (no spam) sonusclarus.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 11, 3:48 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:



"jazzology" <jazzology... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 11, 3:17 am, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"jeff c" <soundmixe... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:81e25c53-8dcb-4775-967a-378635708c61 at (no spam) b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com....
On May 11, 1:01 am, jeff c <soundmixe... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On May 10, 11:48 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"Sergio Sanmiguel" <soundsorce... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:676b7de2-bd06-4034-8818-0fa9797caf79 at (no spam) y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 10, 8:58 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"Whitney Ince" <whitneyi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f21f8b19-b8cc-432c-9771-ce19a3da51d7 at (no spam) 27g2000hsf.googlegroups..com...

Considering buying a new package what would you get per day for
the
following package?

Sound Devices 442
4 411 wireless
1 plug on tx
Zaxcom Eng Hop
Sanken cs3e and boompole

1 comtek tx and 2 comtek rx

4 Countryman emw lavs?

Thanks
For that kind of sound package you should charge the least
$800/day...
~
SS

Heck Sergio I don't think a big feature mixer get's $800 a day for a
full
film package. No client in the ENG, EFP, Corporate world is going to
hire a
mixer with a package for those kinds of rates. Nice dream, but not
reality.

I'm just charging between 450 and 1250 per 10 hours... equipment
included. The Net jobs, I get to use the photographer's gear so...
it's the "Labor" rate of aprox 400 for 8... if I'm to genlock
(trilevel or whatever)two or more cameras... or just show them all a
slate... it's going to cost$. All the old "standards" are out the
window... every man for hisself!!! bee good, charge what you want...
at (no spam) 200 per day... WTF sinking the ship for everyone... that is the the
"Anchor" in all the crap heard here from supposedly experienced ops.
JeEEZus... I ' know veggies are cheaper... but how long can you live
with your parents ???
Bite Me
Jeff C

What's with all the anger? We are not talking commercials or high end jobs
here...we are talking about running around with a bag and a couple of
wireless. You just are not going to find clients in my neck of the woods
that are going to pay big bucks for gear. You can find a well equipped
sound
mixer with decent experience for between $450 and $700 inclusive ANYWHERE
in
the USA. I'm not dragging anything down...I'm on the high end for Seattle.
When I talk with producers coming to town they aren't paying anyone
anywhere
much more. Who is paying you a thousand bucks for a bag job?
Charlie... If I mis-percieved that you were working for 200 a day
inclusive, I apologize.

No problem, my 2008 book rate for a straight ahead corporate listen to the
air conditioner job is $500 for 10 hours and $200 for a gear package with a
couple of RF mics, a Lectro IFB, 442 and a good mic. That's on the high side
of things for Seattle and I doubt any of the more youthful mixers in Seattle
are charging more than $550 for the same package. For the extra money I
provide many years of experience, equipment redundancy, confident attitude
on the shoot and lots of follow through after the shoot when needed to make
sure everyone is pleased. While I do roll my 744t on nearly everything, I
charge extra for transcription and for delivery of uncompressed files. I'm
also understanding of production changes and demands with my good clients
and rarely do I charge them for cancellations nor do I ding them excessively
for occasional unplanned overtime because I always remember the many 2 hour
full days they have given me in the past. In short, I bring good gear, I do
a good job, and I try to be flexible and fair. This has allowed me to make a
decent living, purchase a house and have some hope for a reasonable
retirement when that time comes.

Jeff...you're really gonna hate me when I start bringing the 788t in the bag
to all my gigs! Smile- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would love to invite you all to move to Nashville to help us change
things.  The rates here with gear (mixer, boom mic, two wirelesses)
range from $350-$450/10 hr day.  There is one person that goes for
$500 with gear.   Prices are largely driven by the camera ops that get
the jobs.  They will work for a set price and expect you to come in
for a smaller piece of the pie.  Almost all of them keep their clients
close and you have no way of going directly to the client to negotiate
your rate.
No matter what your market is someone will always work for less.
I think most of us enjoy what we do and would like to be paid a decent
wage for what we bring to the table, experience, gear and technical
knowhow.

Thanks
David Rogers

Why i'm not working with local camera ops.... christmas and new
years , no OT...

Charlie, I'm really sorry, everything you wrote in response is
exactly how I wish I could articulate things... to both us, and the
"above the line" nut crunchers...

Thanks

Jeff c
Philip Perkins...
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:31 pm
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On May 11, 1:48 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:
Quote:
"jazzology" <jazzology... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

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On May 11, 3:17 am, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:



"jeff c" <soundmixe... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:81e25c53-8dcb-4775-967a-378635708c61 at (no spam) b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com...
On May 11, 1:01 am, jeff c <soundmixe... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On May 10, 11:48 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"Sergio Sanmiguel" <soundsorce... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:676b7de2-bd06-4034-8818-0fa9797caf79 at (no spam) y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 10, 8:58 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"Whitney Ince" <whitneyi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f21f8b19-b8cc-432c-9771-ce19a3da51d7 at (no spam) 27g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...

Considering buying a new package what would you get per day for
the
following package?

Sound Devices 442
4 411 wireless
1 plug on tx
Zaxcom Eng Hop
Sanken cs3e and boompole

1 comtek tx and 2 comtek rx

4 Countryman emw lavs?

Thanks
For that kind of sound package you should charge the least
$800/day...
~
SS

Heck Sergio I don't think a big feature mixer get's $800 a day for a
full
film package. No client in the ENG, EFP, Corporate world is going to
hire a
mixer with a package for those kinds of rates. Nice dream, but not
reality.

I'm just charging between 450 and 1250 per 10 hours... equipment
included. The Net jobs, I get to use the photographer's gear so...
it's the "Labor" rate of aprox 400 for 8... if I'm to genlock
(trilevel or whatever)two or more cameras... or just show them all a
slate... it's going to cost$. All the old "standards" are out the
window... every man for hisself!!! bee good, charge what you want...
at (no spam) 200 per day... WTF sinking the ship for everyone... that is the the
"Anchor" in all the crap heard here from supposedly experienced ops.
JeEEZus... I ' know veggies are cheaper... but how long can you live
with your parents ???
Bite Me
Jeff C

What's with all the anger? We are not talking commercials or high end jobs
here...we are talking about running around with a bag and a couple of
wireless. You just are not going to find clients in my neck of the woods
that are going to pay big bucks for gear. You can find a well equipped
sound
mixer with decent experience for between $450 and $700 inclusive ANYWHERE
in
the USA. I'm not dragging anything down...I'm on the high end for Seattle.
When I talk with producers coming to town they aren't paying anyone
anywhere
much more. Who is paying you a thousand bucks for a bag job?
Charlie... If I mis-percieved that you were working for 200 a day
inclusive, I apologize.

No problem, my 2008 book rate for a straight ahead corporate listen to the
air conditioner job is $500 for 10 hours and $200 for a gear package with a
couple of RF mics, a Lectro IFB, 442 and a good mic. That's on the high side
of things for Seattle and I doubt any of the more youthful mixers in Seattle
are charging more than $550 for the same package. For the extra money I
provide many years of experience, equipment redundancy, confident attitude
on the shoot and lots of follow through after the shoot when needed to make
sure everyone is pleased. While I do roll my 744t on nearly everything, I
charge extra for transcription and for delivery of uncompressed files. I'm
also understanding of production changes and demands with my good clients
and rarely do I charge them for cancellations nor do I ding them excessively
for occasional unplanned overtime because I always remember the many 2 hour
full days they have given me in the past. In short, I bring good gear, I do
a good job, and I try to be flexible and fair. This has allowed me to make a
decent living, purchase a house and have some hope for a reasonable
retirement when that time comes.

Jeff...you're really gonna hate me when I start bringing the 788t in the bag
to all my gigs! Smile

A "listen to the air conditioner job"---good one Charlie.

Philip Perkins
Sergio Sanmiguel...
Posted: Sun May 11, 2008 4:38 pm
Guest
On May 11, 8:21 pm, David <dr... at (no spam) sonusclarus.com> wrote:
Quote:
On May 11, 3:48 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:



"jazzology" <jazzology... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f5eb86c2-332e-4d07-998f-da617cd2b071 at (no spam) i76g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 11, 3:17 am, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"jeff c" <soundmixe... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:81e25c53-8dcb-4775-967a-378635708c61 at (no spam) b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com....
On May 11, 1:01 am, jeff c <soundmixe... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote:

On May 10, 11:48 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"Sergio Sanmiguel" <soundsorce... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:676b7de2-bd06-4034-8818-0fa9797caf79 at (no spam) y21g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
On May 10, 8:58 pm, "Charles Tomaras" <toma... at (no spam) tomaras.com> wrote:

"Whitney Ince" <whitneyi... at (no spam) gmail.com> wrote in message

news:f21f8b19-b8cc-432c-9771-ce19a3da51d7 at (no spam) 27g2000hsf.googlegroups..com...

Considering buying a new package what would you get per day for
the
following package?

Sound Devices 442
4 411 wireless
1 plug on tx
Zaxcom Eng Hop
Sanken cs3e and boompole

1 comtek tx and 2 comtek rx

4 Countryman emw lavs?

Thanks
For that kind of sound package you should charge the least
$800/day...
~
SS

Heck Sergio I don't think a big feature mixer get's $800 a day for a
full
film package. No client in the ENG, EFP, Corporate world is going to
hire a
mixer with a package for those kinds of rates. Nice dream, but not
reality.

I'm just charging between 450 and 1250 per 10 hours... equipment
included. The Net jobs, I get to use the photographer's gear so...
it's the "Labor" rate of aprox 400 for 8... if I'm to genlock
(trilevel or whatever)two or more cameras... or just show them all a
slate... it's going to cost$. All the old "standards" are out the
window... every man for hisself!!! bee good, charge what you want...
at (no spam) 200 per day... WTF sinking the ship for everyone... that is the the
"Anchor" in all the crap heard here from supposedly experienced ops.
JeEEZus... I ' know veggies are cheaper... but how long can you live
with your parents ???
Bite Me
Jeff C

What's with all the anger? We are not talking commercials or high end jobs
here...we are talking about running around with a bag and a couple of
wireless. You just are not going to find clients in my neck of the woods
that are going to pay big bucks for gear. You can find a well equipped
sound
mixer with decent experience for between $450 and $700 inclusive ANYWHERE
in
the USA. I'm not dragging anything down...I'm on the high end for Seattle.
When I talk with producers coming to town they aren't paying anyone
anywhere
much more. Who is paying you a thousand bucks for a bag job?
Charlie... If I mis-percieved that you were working for 200 a day
inclusive, I apologize.

No problem, my 2008 book rate for a straight ahead corporate listen to the
air conditioner job is $500 for 10 hours and $200 for a gear package with a
couple of RF mics, a Lectro IFB, 442 and a good mic. That's on the high side
of things for Seattle and I doubt any of the more youthful mixers in Seattle
are charging more than $550 for the same package. For the extra money I
provide many years of experience, equipment redundancy, confident attitude
on the shoot and lots of follow through after the shoot when needed to make
sure everyone is pleased. While I do roll my 744t on nearly everything, I
charge extra for transcription and for delivery of uncompressed files. I'm
also understanding of production changes and demands with my good clients
and rarely do I charge them for cancellations nor do I ding them excessively
for occasional unplanned overtime because I always remember the many 2 hour
full days they have given me in the past. In short, I bring good gear, I do
a good job, and I try to be flexible and fair. This has allowed me to make a
decent living, purchase a house and have some hope for a reasonable
retirement when that time comes.

Jeff...you're really gonna hate me when I start bringing the 788t in the bag
to all my gigs! Smile- Hide quoted text -

- Show quoted text -

I would love to invite you all to move to Nashville to help us change
things.  The rates here with gear (mixer, boom mic, two wirelesses)
range from $350-$450/10 hr day.  There is one person that goes for
$500 with gear.   Prices are largely driven by the camera ops that get
the jobs.  They will work for a set price and expect you to come in
for a smaller piece of the pie.  Almost all of them keep their clients
close and you have no way of going directly to the client to negotiate
your rate.
No matter what your market is someone will always work for less.
I think most of us enjoy what we do and would like to be paid a decent
wage for what we bring to the table, experience, gear and technical
knowhow.

Thanks
David Rogers

Be careful what you wish for... You probably don't want me roaming
around your turf...
~
SS
atlsoundguy...
Posted: Mon May 12, 2008 1:14 pm
Guest
Whitney,

In Atlanta, the going rate that I charge for 10hr is $450/day plus
gear.

The gear rates I charge (for top of the line gear) start at $200 for
mixer, boom and two wireless.
(Schoeps CMIT, 442, and 411a w/ COS-11s)

I charge $50/each additional 411a. (two cast, stereo hops <my SR comes
Wed! Woot!>) $200

Comteks are $25 for for the first transmitter/receiver and $25 for
each additional.

Total would be $850/day.

-Chris, ATLaudio.com
 
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