By Ab Zagt

AMSTERDAM (Hollywood Reporter) - "Basic Instinct" director Paul
Verhoeven will publish a revisionist biography of Jesus in September,
following more than 20 years of research.

The Dutch filmmaker, who has had a lifelong ambition to make a film
about Jesus based on scientific research, claims that Jesus' father
was probably a Roman soldier who raped Mary during the Jewish uprising
in Galilee. He also claims that Christ was not betrayed by Judas
Iscariot.

Verhoeven decided to write the book to raise interest in his film
project. His publisher, Amsterdam-based Meulenhoff, is in negotiations
for an English-language translation.

Verhoeven, who turns 70 in July, has been a regular attendee of U.S.
scholar Robert W. Funk's Jesus seminars, which question miracles and
statements attributed to Jesus.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080423/en_nm/verhoeven_dc;_ylt=ApbMtvepkG6vgsQJ1_3wWJ5b.nQA

Garondo Marondo wrote:

By Ab Zagt

AMSTERDAM (Hollywood Reporter) - "Basic Instinct" director Paul
Verhoeven will publish a revisionist biography of Jesus in September,
following more than 20 years of research.

The Dutch filmmaker, who has had a lifelong ambition to make a film
about Jesus based on scientific research, claims that Jesus' father
was probably a Roman soldier who raped Mary during the Jewish uprising
in Galilee. He also claims that Christ was not betrayed by Judas
Iscariot.

Verhoeven decided to write the book to raise interest in his film
project. His publisher, Amsterdam-based Meulenhoff, is in negotiations
for an English-language translation.

Verhoeven, who turns 70 in July, has been a regular attendee of U.S.
scholar Robert W. Funk's Jesus seminars, which question miracles and
statements attributed to Jesus.

Reuters/Hollywood Reporter

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080423/en_nm/verhoeven_dc;_ylt=ApbMtvepkG6vgsQJ1_3wWJ5b.nQA


If this guy had real guts he would say that mohammed was a child of
rape but he wont because he's chicken shit. its easier to bash
christians because everyone just ignores it. say this about islam and
you got thousands of fanatics ready to chop your head off. get some
guts mr. verhoeven or just shut the fuck up already.

Give it a few years. A lot of those people don't want to live under
that nonsense either. Just like little by little we're throwing off the
influence of Christianity, they'll start doing that with the Koran.
It's not for freedom-loving people. Either one.

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moviePig <pwall...@moviepig.com> wrote:
On Apr 26, 1:30 pm, martinkoolho...@hotmail.com (MartinKoolhoven)
wrote:
Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net> wrote:
In article <v0v114psdvshrp3pnjlc06hm1eom1sr...@4ax.com>,
Padmar Mushkin <x...@y.z> wrote:

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 08:41:47 -0700, Anim8rFSK <ANIM8R...@cox.net
wrote:

As if anyone would believe anythinghesays after the hack jobhe
did on Starship Troopers. I prescribe a large (7 ton minimum)
tinfoil hat and copious amounts of prescribed medication.

Starship Troopers was superb.

It's a superb black absurdist comedy. The problem is, Verhoven thinks
hemade a straight forward action drama.

Cite? It seemed pretty clear to me it was an intentional satire.

I used tohavethis discussion endlessly with a friend of mine who was a
Disney story guy at the time. Hefelt the same as you. One night after
work some co-workers grabbed him, and took him to this nice house that
had all these posters from Verhoven movies. Yep, it was PV's house and
hespent the eveningtalkingto him. Called me about 2 in the morning
and said "My God, you were right"

I guesshedidn't get it. In some ways Verhoeven was serious in the
sense thathewanted to critisize American society. On the other handhe
thought it was absolutely hilarious.Hehas stated so many, may times.

(Thank god...)

Ofcourse,Koolhoven doesn't have any idea what he's talking about.

On Thu, 1 May 2008 12:57:01 +0000 (UTC), schu...@mail.biu.ack.il (Richard

Schultz) wrote:
: The legal, moral, ethical, and spiritual basis of all freedom is
: Christianity .. Without it, you have the tyranny of the politically correct
: secularist .. like you.

Dueling quotations?  I like it.  Lets read some more of what the learned
Thomas Jefferson had to say on the subject:

"Can the liberties of a nation be thought secure when we have removed their
only firm basis, a conviction in the minds of the people that these
liberties are of the gift of God? That they are not to be violated but with
His wrath?" --Thomas Jefferson: Notes on Virginia Q.XVIII, 1782. ME 2:227

"The God who gave us life gave us liberty at the same time; the hand of
force may destroy, but cannot disjoin them." --Thomas Jefferson: Rights of
British America, 1774. ME 1:211, Papers 1:135

"Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the
world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving
and using it at his own will. This is what is called personal liberty, and
is given him by the Author of nature, because necessary for his own
sustenance." --Thomas Jefferson: Legal Argument, 1770. FE 1:376

"The evidence of [the] natural right [of expatriation], like that of our
right to life, liberty, the use of our faculties, the pursuit of happiness,
is not left to the feeble and sophistical investigations of reason, but is
impressed on the sense of every man. We do not claim these under the
charters of kings or legislators, but under the King of Kings." --Thomas
Jefferson to John Manners, 1817. ME 15:124

"Among the most inestimable of our blessings, also, is that... of liberty to
worship our Creator in the way we think most agreeable to His will; a
liberty deemed in other countries incompatible with good government and yet
proved by our experience to be its best support." --Thomas Jefferson: Reply
to John Thomas et al., 1807. ME 16:291

"Religion, as well as reason, confirms the soundness of those principles on
which our government has been founded and its rights asserted." --Thomas
Jefferson to P. H. Wendover, 1815. ME 14:283

"In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have
proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric
of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out
diamonds from dunghills."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, 1814

Irrelevant to the claim originally expressed by the OP that true freedom
lies in throwing off the influences of Christianity ..

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

Mr. Chief Justice John Jay and Mr. Chief Justice David Brewer among many
others dissent ...

Verhoevena Nazi? I can imagine him faking it at the expense of some
tunnel-visioned critic at a soiree... but actually *being* one? I'd
need (lots of) photos...

: The legal, moral, ethical, and spiritual basis of all freedom is
: Christianity .. Without it, you have the tyranny of the politically correct
: secularist .. like you.

"In the New Testament there is internal evidence that parts of it have
proceeded from an extraordinary man; and that other parts are of the fabric
of very inferior minds. It is as easy to separate those parts, as to pick out
diamonds from dunghills."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to John Adams, 1814

"Christianity neither is, nor ever was a part of the common law."
-- Thomas Jefferson, letter to Dr. Thomas Cooper, 1814

By Ab Zagt

AMSTERDAM (Hollywood Reporter) - "Basic Instinct" director Paul
Verhoeven will publish a revisionist biography of Jesus in September,
following more than 20 years of research.

The Dutch filmmaker, who has had a lifelong ambition to make a film
about Jesus based on scientific research, claims that Jesus' father
was probably a Roman soldier who raped Mary during the Jewish uprising
in Galilee. He also claims that Christ was not betrayed by Judas
Iscariot.

I used to have this discussion endlessly with a friend of mine who was a
Disney story guy at the time. He felt the same as you. One night after
work some co-workers grabbed him, and took him to this nice house that
had all these posters from Verhoven movies. Yep, it was PV's house and
he spent the evening talking to him. Called me about 2 in the morning
and said "My God, you were right"

Anyone with two brain cells to rub together can easily see that was the

Possible, I suppose. But I've always thought of Verhoeven as a minor
genius, and TROOPERS as a minor dual-masterpiece ...and I'd hate
having to demote either of those, much less both, to merely my own
invention.

You don't realize how good Robocop is until you watch Kershner
hack at a sequel, and then it gets worse from there.

Straship Troopers sequel is one of the worst movies ever made too.

Afiacs, Jefferson uses "God" in the sense of "natural order", i.e.,
the set of plain axioms (like 'gravity') not subject to manipulation
by Man or his religions. Even an atheist like me might make similar
usage, for God's sake.

"Under the law of nature, all men are born free, every one comes into the
world with a right to his own person, which includes the liberty of moving
and using it at his own will. This is what is called personal liberty, and
is given him by the Author of nature, because necessary for his own
sustenance." --Thomas Jefferson: Legal Argument, 1770. FE 1:376