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| Agent Smith |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 5:02 pm |
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In the past, I've found a very reliable indicator of whether a movie is
crap to be if an a-list star or stars are hired to do accents without
proper voice training. This seems to be accurate for Natalie Portman's
latest film, in which she is completely miscast as a Texas poker shark, but
carries the accent off miserably. I wouldn't watch that movie if you held
a gun to my head *and* offered to pay me big money. ;)
However, Charlie Wilson's War is my first exception to this rule. I just
watched it, where Tom Hanks' accent is terrible, and was clearly attempted
without the assistance of a professional voice coach. The film was
excellent nonetheless, being both energetic and fascinating, with
excellently crafted characters. There were occasional moments of laugh out
loud humor, and lots of cute girls for eye candy. I especially liked the
way Wilson's four, hot Congressional aides were called "Charlie's Angels,"
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| Flasherly |
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:51 pm |
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On Apr 29, 6:02 pm, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
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However, Charlie Wilson's War is my first exception to this rule. I just
watched it, where Tom Hanks' accent is terrible, and was clearly attempted
without the assistance of a professional voice coach. The film was
excellent nonetheless, being both energetic and fascinating, with
excellently crafted characters. There were occasional moments of laugh out
loud humor, and lots of cute girls for eye candy. I especially liked the
way Wilson's four, hot Congressional aides were called "Charlie's Angels,"
in the closing credits.
Screw the accents. Tom's diacritics would be the last thing I'd look
for faults. Playing the role of a shark and one-man army will be
interesting, though. Good to hear it's fascinating, which was my
reception when getting caught in viewing it for an excellent 2-hr.
documentary (the film came out within a couple of weeks of the docu --
History channel, perhaps). |
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| Flasherly |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 5:47 am |
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On Apr 30, 8:46 am, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
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You missed my point. I'm not saying that the bad accent causes the
problems, but that if there are bad accents, the movies is such a
disaster that evereything else is messed up, too.
It's Aaron Sorkin's well known machine gun writing style. War stories
are fascinating, and it's equally interesting to see how a war is fought
at the highest levels, when people do nothing but walk around, talk and
plan and spend money. Good time Charlie was (and still is, I guess)
quite a character.
No, don't believe I did. You enjoyed it, which confirms my bias --
coming from anybody but Tom, actor-challenged accentuation may well
play for a lesser role in a second-rate production. Tom, nah. He's
pretty good for the most, (apart from FG*). Been some time since I
watched the documentary, but -seems- singled cocaine charges, whether
or not adjudicated, for intent effectively would have clipped his
wings from further political integrity and a popular command he
carried among voters. He's too hot of a potato head at this stage,
I'd suspect.
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*Forrest Grump School of Fine Acting:
Drop the g's.
Use contractions and phrases, gonna, nu-uh, wanna, and over yonder,
only speak them slower.
Much.
Tell stories, critter tales, and include the weather.
Keep a happy face when dispelling dumb stereotypes with emotion. |
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| Agent Smith |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 7:46 am |
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Flasherly <gjerrell@ij.net> wrote in
news:7eb9b708-549c-4ac2-9eff-430c9c84f227@34g2000hsh.googlegroups.com:
Quote: On Apr 29, 6:02 pm, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
However, Charlie Wilson's War is my first exception to this rule. I
just watched it, where Tom Hanks' accent is terrible, and was clearly
attempted without the assistance of a professional voice coach. The
film was excellent nonetheless, being both energetic and fascinating,
with excellently crafted characters. There were occasional moments
of laugh out loud humor, and lots of cute girls for eye candy. I
especially liked the way Wilson's four, hot Congressional aides were
called "Charlie's Angels," in the closing credits.
Screw the accents. Tom's diacritics would be the last thing I'd look
for faults.
You missed my point. I'm not saying that the bad accent causes the
problems, but that if there are bad accents, the movies is such a
disaster that evereything else is messed up, too.
Quote: Playing the role of a shark and one-man army will be
interesting, though. Good to hear it's fascinating, which was my
reception when getting caught in viewing it for an excellent 2-hr.
documentary (the film came out within a couple of weeks of the docu --
History channel, perhaps).
It's Aaron Sorkin's well known machine gun writing style. War stories
are fascinating, and it's equally interesting to see how a war is fought
at the highest levels, when people do nothing but walk around, talk and
plan and spend money. Good time Charlie was (and still is, I guess)
quite a character. |
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| Darryl |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 10:25 am |
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On Apr 29, 5:02 pm, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
Quote: However, Charlie Wilson's War is my first exception to this rule. I just
watched it, where Tom Hanks' accent is terrible, and was clearly attempted
without the assistance of a professional voice coach.
I'm suspicious of people who claim that an accent in a movie isn't
geniune, as I've repeatedly seen critics complain about movie accents
for actors that were using their natural voice, because it's their
natural accent. An example would be complaining what an awful
Australian accent Hugh Jackman had in a movie.
For that reason, it's best to post your own qualifications for judging
a Texas accent, since it it can be anywhere from "I'm a professional
accent scientist for the FBI at Quantico" to "I've watched many King
of the Hill episodes, and once had a hour-long layover at DFW". |
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| Agent Smith |
Posted: Wed Apr 30, 2008 1:37 pm |
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Flasherly <gjerrell@ij.net> wrote in
news:17f5cb25-c54a-4ccb-91ce-8c171f65c4f5@l64g2000hse.googlegroups.com:
Quote: On Apr 30, 8:46 am, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
You missed my point. I'm not saying that the bad accent causes the
problems, but that if there are bad accents, the movies is such a
disaster that evereything else is messed up, too.
It's Aaron Sorkin's well known machine gun writing style. War
stories are fascinating, and it's equally interesting to see how a
war is fought at the highest levels, when people do nothing but walk
around, talk and plan and spend money. Good time Charlie was (and
still is, I guess) quite a character.
No, don't believe I did. You enjoyed it, which confirms my bias --
coming from anybody but Tom, actor-challenged accentuation may well
play for a lesser role in a second-rate production. Tom, nah. He's
pretty good for the most, (apart from FG*).
I'd say that Hanks is a lot better than "prtty good for the most part."
The guy has a nose for an excellent role, and since FG, he's just has
one hit after another. A lot of people are considered living legends by
the time they get into their seventies, but Hanks is more than twenty
years ahead of the schedule.
Quote: Been some time since I
watched the documentary, but -seems- singled cocaine charges, whether
or not adjudicated, for intent effectively would have clipped his
wings from further political integrity and a popular command he
carried among voters. He's too hot of a potato head at this stage,
I'd suspect.
Sure, I would agree with that, considering what we know now. But back
then, he was a complete unknown, and these details weren't familiar to
every Tom, Dick and Harry. He apparently had an extraordinary personal
charm, and voters are often willing to overlook a lot of bad habits, as
long as they're not completely out of control. Look at the Kennedys.
The movie made it look like he did almost no cocaine at all, which is
apparently in the Obama and Bush range of cocaine use - he tried it but
"didn't inhale," if you know what I mean. Obama has admitted it, but it
hasn't damaged him at all, and if a pit bull like Guiliani would walk
away from his case, there must have not been very much dirt on him at
all. The way the movie showed it, he had a much bigger problem with
drinking than with anything else, because (spoiler alert) he's basically
got a cocktail in his hand in every single scene of the film (end
spoiler alert).
Finally, there are many positions of extreme power *within* the House,
other than just an obscure member of a committee that nobody knows
about. He could have eventually gotten one of those jobs, but
apparently, somewhere along the way, he simply wasn't re-elected, and
his political career just quietly came to an end.
You'd think that an accomplishment like winning the Cold War would bring
an awful lot of good karma. Americans loves a hero, and they especially
like to elect them to high office. In that vein, I'm quite anxious to
know whether David Petraeus' will go into politics, after the current
period of middle eastern history has come to an end. For a while there,
it looked like Colin Powell could write his own ticket.
I plan to buy this book. I love a good war history, especially if it's
something fairly modern. I've been bemoaning the lack of a well written
history of the Cold War, especially now that Halberstam isn't around any
more, to write it. But the history of how the Soviets were beaten on
the battlefield should make a decent proxy for the book I want, that
doesn't exist.
Quote: *Forrest Grump School of Fine Acting:
Drop the g's.
Use contractions and phrases, gonna, nu-uh, wanna, and over yonder,
only speak them slower.
Much.
Tell stories, critter tales, and include the weather.
Keep a happy face when dispelling dumb stereotypes with emotion.
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Posted: Thu May 01, 2008 1:14 pm |
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On Apr 30, 2:37 pm, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
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I'd say that Hanks is a lot better than "prtty good for the most part."
The guy has a nose for an excellent role, and since FG, he's just has
one hit after another. A lot of people are considered living legends by
the time they get into their seventies, but Hanks is more than twenty
years ahead of the schedule.
I just never got into the swing with Forrest Gramp.
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Finally, there are many positions of extreme power *within* the House,
other than just an obscure member of a committee that nobody knows
about. He could have eventually gotten one of those jobs, but
apparently, somewhere along the way, he simply wasn't re-elected, and
his political career just quietly came to an end.
Cocaine was inasmuch given and likely incidental to his favoring of
women, booze, and overall good-time style Charley partying. There's
politics, similarly, apart advancing a political career as a public
image. Much about him in the documentary, that which impressed me
most, was in keeping with the very same power and overriding interest
he had in the Middle East. What I drew from the ending of the
documentary, not as much quietly, was a fairly sordid and frantic
attempt on the part of Charlie at unsuccessfully pulling what strings
remained, when the proverbial shit hit the fan. Guiliani or other
posh seating jobs, of sorts, would be beyond that presentment, and a
seemingly thorough job Charlie pulled off in besmirching his
competence in front of one too many witnesses. I took it for his
credibility as being beyond redemption at that juncture. |
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| Agent Smith |
Posted: Fri May 02, 2008 8:53 am |
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Flasherly <gjerrell@ij.net> wrote in
news:75a62073-9188-45c3-b45a-98625c85da6d@b1g2000hsg.googlegroups.com:
Quote: On Apr 30, 2:37 pm, Agent Smith <agent-sm...@two-blocks-on-your-
left.com> wrote:
I'd say that Hanks is a lot better than "prtty good for the most
part." The guy has a nose for an excellent role, and since FG, he's
just has one hit after another. A lot of people are considered
living legends by the time they get into their seventies, but Hanks
is more than twenty years ahead of the schedule.
I just never got into the swing with Forrest Gramp.
Finally, there are many positions of extreme power *within* the
House, other than just an obscure member of a committee that nobody
knows about. He could have eventually gotten one of those jobs, but
apparently, somewhere along the way, he simply wasn't re-elected, and
his political career just quietly came to an end.
Cocaine was inasmuch given and likely incidental to his favoring of
women, booze, and overall good-time style Charley partying.
One thing that I thought stood out farily strongly was that he was only
a good-time partier for that single opening scene, which made it look
like the producers were rather weakly trying to set the stage for the
rest of the movie. That detail wasn't really integrated very
seamlessly, and afterward, the only party boy aspect to him was that he
never, stopped drinking, throughout the entire film.
Of course, it could also be that he was drifting, and had nothing to do
with his time, until he discovered the Afghanistan issue, so he partied
out of total boredom. But if true, the story wasn't told that way. To
tell that story would require a lot more attention to the time before he
got involved with the war, and it would effectively be a different
story.
Quote: There's
politics, similarly, apart advancing a political career as a public
image. Much about him in the documentary, that which impressed me
most, was in keeping with the very same power and overriding interest
he had in the Middle East. What I drew from the ending of the
documentary, not as much quietly, was a fairly sordid and frantic
attempt on the part of Charlie at unsuccessfully pulling what strings
remained, when the proverbial shit hit the fan.
I got the impression that he was just trying to finish what he started.
He may have become mower hungry as the situation unfolded, but the
history and interviews never portrayed him that way. Apparently he had
no interest in doing anything at all, until he suddenly discovered a way
to kill Russians. I got the impression that he was a rabid anti-
Communist, and that was really his passion. The visit to the refugee
cmp gave us the impression that he really came away feeling for those
people.
Of course, none of these details can be relied upon as historical fact,
since Hollywood changes everything around. I was so moved by the story
that I plan to buy the book.
Quote: Guiliani or other
posh seating jobs, of sorts, would be beyond that presentment, and a
seemingly thorough job Charlie pulled off in besmirching his
competence in front of one too many witnesses.
Not his competence, his character. He was clearly portrayed as hyper-
competent, but without any self-restraint at all, in the domain of
seeking personal pleasure.
Quote: I took it for his
credibility as being beyond redemption at that juncture.
I don't know what you're talking about. |
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