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Lloyd Fonvielle
Posted: Mon Apr 28, 2008 8:07 am
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Jean-Luc Godard once observed that, with the passing of time, the
fantasy films of Georges Melies have become actualities, now that man
has in fact made a voyage to the moon, while the actualities of the
Lumiere Brothers have become fantasies, since they record lost worlds to
which we can never return, as mythological now as Oz.

I thought of this while watching "Electric Edwardians", the Milestone
DVD of Mitchell and Kenyon actualities of Edwardian Britain. I must say
I was blown away. It's the most gorgeous collection of cinematic images
outside of "Intolerance" or "Sunrise" or Welles's "Falstaff", lyrical
and deeply moving.

With the possible exception of a few infants who lived to a great age,
all the people in these films are dead. As a commentator on the set
observes, the young boys in the films were part of a generation that
would be swept into oblivion long before their time by the mass carnage
of the Great War a decade or so later. The bustling street life that
most attracted Mitchell and Kenyon becomes for us now a memento mori,
incredibly sweet and sad.

I can't imagine that anyone who loves movies and owns a DVD player
wouldn't want to have this DVD and to watch the films on it over and
over again. They may constitute a kind of unconscious art, but it's art
of a very high order.

(And speaking of the Lumiere Brothers, why on earth has Kino allowed its
DVD collection of Lumiere films to go out of print?)




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Jason Liller
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 7:31 am
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On Apr 29, 1:13 pm, "Matt Barry" <bar...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

Quote:
Incidentally, the best in-print DVD source for Lumiere films would probably
be "The Movies Begin" set, which features a number of Lumiere films on Disc
One, and the lineup of their "first films" program on Disc Two. I still love
my VHS copy of the Lumiere collection narrated by Bertrand Tavernier, from
Kino.

There was a Japanese laserdisc set released years ago that purported
to include virtually the entire surviving body of the Lumieres' work.
As for a potential DVD release, I'd say that this is a project that
seems very much up Flicker Alley's alley.

--Jason Liller
Matt Barry
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:13 pm
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"Lloyd Fonvielle" <navigareNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Jean-Luc Godard once observed that, with the passing of time, the fantasy
films of Georges Melies have become actualities, now that man has in fact
made a voyage to the moon, while the actualities of the Lumiere Brothers
have become fantasies, since they record lost worlds to which we can never
return, as mythological now as Oz.

I thought of this while watching "Electric Edwardians", the Milestone DVD
of Mitchell and Kenyon actualities of Edwardian Britain. I must say I was
blown away. It's the most gorgeous collection of cinematic images outside
of "Intolerance" or "Sunrise" or Welles's "Falstaff", lyrical and deeply
moving.

With the possible exception of a few infants who lived to a great age, all
the people in these films are dead. As a commentator on the set observes,
the young boys in the films were part of a generation that would be swept
into oblivion long before their time by the mass carnage of the Great War
a decade or so later. The bustling street life that most attracted
Mitchell and Kenyon becomes for us now a memento mori, incredibly sweet
and sad.

I can't imagine that anyone who loves movies and owns a DVD player
wouldn't want to have this DVD and to watch the films on it over and over
again. They may constitute a kind of unconscious art, but it's art of a
very high order.

(And speaking of the Lumiere Brothers, why on earth has Kino allowed its
DVD collection of Lumiere films to go out of print?)




Mar de Cortes Baja

www.mardecortesbaja.com <http://www.mardecortesbaja.com/blog

I hadn't even heard of this DVD yet, but your review makes me want to go and
seek it out.

These types of films serve as such a strong preservation of pre-WWI society,
which as you point out, would be quickly obliterated just shortly after
these pictures were filmed. The Lumiere films are another wonderful source
of "time capsule" films of the era, of course. It's interesting that cinema
came about just in time to capture the last of the Victorian era for
posterity. Luckily, so much was filmed that we have a very good photographic
record of that era.

Incidentally, the best in-print DVD source for Lumiere films would probably
be "The Movies Begin" set, which features a number of Lumiere films on Disc
One, and the lineup of their "first films" program on Disc Two. I still love
my VHS copy of the Lumiere collection narrated by Bertrand Tavernier, from
Kino.
--
Matt Barry
View my films at: www.youtube.com/comedyfilm
Read my blog at: http://filmreel.blogspot.com
Lloyd Fonvielle
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:36 pm
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Matt Barry wrote:

Quote:
I hadn't even heard of this DVD yet, but your review makes me want to go
and seek it out.

These types of films serve as such a strong preservation of pre-WWI
society, which as you point out, would be quickly obliterated just
shortly after these pictures were filmed. The Lumiere films are another
wonderful source of "time capsule" films of the era, of course. It's
interesting that cinema came about just in time to capture the last of
the Victorian era for posterity. Luckily, so much was filmed that we
have a very good photographic record of that era.

A lot was filmed, and some survives but little in the quality of the
Mitchell & Kenyon films, which were mostly made for fairs and local
cinema shows. When this market died out, Mitchell & Kenyon for some
reason packed all their negatives into metal drums and stored them under
the floorboards of their studio, where they were discovered when the
building was demolished in 1994.

No prints of their actualities, made as ephemeral entertainment,
survive, so if they hadn't saved the negatives, we wouldn't have a clue
about what they were up to. And because they're camera negatives, the
new prints that have been made from them are of stunningly good quality.
Uncanny, really.

Much more survives than what's on the Milestone DVD -- there are three
DVD collections available in England. Here's what the DVD Beaver
reviewer said about watching those discs:

"I'll just say that seeing everyday life, a century ago, in such
incredibly restored film footage is beyond my descriptive powers. This
is some of the best 3 hours I have ever spent in front of my home
theatre . . ."

I suppose it's too much to hope that Milestone will release more of the
stuff here . . .


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Lloyd Fonvielle
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:39 pm
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Jason Liller wrote:

Quote:
On Apr 29, 1:13 pm, "Matt Barry" <bar...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:

Incidentally, the best in-print DVD source for Lumiere films would probably
be "The Movies Begin" set, which features a number of Lumiere films on Disc
One, and the lineup of their "first films" program on Disc Two. I still love
my VHS copy of the Lumiere collection narrated by Bertrand Tavernier, from
Kino.

There was a Japanese laserdisc set released years ago that purported
to include virtually the entire surviving body of the Lumieres' work.
As for a potential DVD release, I'd say that this is a project that
seems very much up Flicker Alley's alley.

The Kino DVD was excellent, filled with stuff -- seems a shame that's
it's been allowed to go out of print. On the other hand, a multi-disc
set from Flicker Alley would be a dream come true.



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Matt Barry
Posted: Tue Apr 29, 2008 12:50 pm
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"Lloyd Fonvielle" <navigareNOSPAM@cox.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Jason Liller wrote:

On Apr 29, 1:13 pm, "Matt Barry" <bar...@bellatlantic.net> wrote:
Incidentally, the best in-print DVD source for Lumiere films would
probably
be "The Movies Begin" set, which features a number of Lumiere films on
Disc
One, and the lineup of their "first films" program on Disc Two. I still
love
my VHS copy of the Lumiere collection narrated by Bertrand Tavernier,
from
Kino.

There was a Japanese laserdisc set released years ago that purported
to include virtually the entire surviving body of the Lumieres' work.
As for a potential DVD release, I'd say that this is a project that
seems very much up Flicker Alley's alley.

The Kino DVD was excellent, filled with stuff -- seems a shame that's it's
been allowed to go out of print. On the other hand, a multi-disc set from
Flicker Alley would be a dream come true.



Mar de Cortes Baja

www.mardecortesbaja.com <http://www.mardecortesbaja.com/blog


In the pre-DVD days, someone here on this newsgroup had suggested doing a
CD-ROM, where the user could click on any part of a world map and it would
take you to the Lumiere films that had been shot in that country. That would
still be an amazing idea, especially if they could get access to the sources
for the entire body of work included on the Japanese disc.

--
Matt Barry
View my films at: www.youtube.com/comedyfilm
Read my blog at: http://filmreel.blogspot.com
 
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