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| David Oberman |
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:36 am |
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Waldo Lydecker <ferrante276-waldolydecker@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: There was a horror film I saw as a young child in the 60's. I cannot
remember the name of it to save my life. All I can remember about the
movie is that either a man or woman or both were riding in a
convertible out in the countryside, possibly near a cliff and ended up
at some castle or brick mansion. The only other part I can recall is
some man lifting up a shovel and driving it down either into someone
or into a wooden casket. Something like that. Ring a bell with anyone?
In "The Shuttered Room," Gig Young & Carol Lynley drove in a
convertible through the countryside to the old mill house, where the
crazy old Flora Robson lived. But I don't remember the shovel scene.
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his boot -- so I let it pass."
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| Waldo Lydecker |
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:21 pm |
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On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:36:52 -0700, David Oberman <doberman@etc.>
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Quote: Waldo Lydecker <ferrante276-waldolydecker@yahoo.com> wrote:
There was a horror film I saw as a young child in the 60's. I cannot
remember the name of it to save my life. All I can remember about the
movie is that either a man or woman or both were riding in a
convertible out in the countryside, possibly near a cliff and ended up
at some castle or brick mansion. The only other part I can recall is
some man lifting up a shovel and driving it down either into someone
or into a wooden casket. Something like that. Ring a bell with anyone?
In "The Shuttered Room," Gig Young & Carol Lynley drove in a
convertible through the countryside to the old mill house, where the
crazy old Flora Robson lived. But I don't remember the shovel scene.
Thanks! I will check it out.
Waldo
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| The Mighty Favog |
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:51 pm |
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On Jul 2, 3:22 pm, Okierazorbacker <okierazorbac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: On Jun 30, 9:20 am, Bill Anderson <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Okierazorbacker wrote:
There are some great ones like "Rebecca" that have a ghostly air to
them, but here are a few not mentioned that have actual ghostly
presence...and not including any zombiemoviesw/o ghosts:
Places In the Heart
I think your interpretation of the end must be very different from mine.
It's been awhile since I watched it, but I remember being strongly
impressed by the number of dead characters who show up for communion.
Maybe this is meant to represent heaven? Unsure.
We see the sanctuary in a long shot and we see who is sitting in the
pews. Then, as communion is being served, we realize some of the
people we're seeing were not present before. By my count, three of
the worshipers who have inexplicably appeared are dead; the others,
e.g. a member of the dance band, are still living. I think the scene
is not meant to represent Heaven; it's meant to represent a place in
filmmaker Robert Benton's heart.
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Big Fish
Maybe this one too.
I saw no ghosts in either movie. (I remember a story about a werewolf
in Big Fish, but I recall no story about a ghost.)
I think the whole town of Spectre would qualify.
OK, maybe. The name of the town indicates that could be a valid
interpretation, but the people who lived there struck me only as odd
-- not ghostly. In Lost Horizon, were the the inhabitants of Shangri-
La supposed to be ghosts? I'd classify them as touched by magic,
certainly, but not ghosts as I normally understand the term. The
inhabitants of Brigadoon could be considered ghosts, I think, but to
me Spectre more closely resembled Shangri-La than Brigadoon.
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| Okierazorbacker |
Posted: Fri Jul 06, 2007 11:49 am |
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On Jul 5, 1:51 pm, The Mighty Favog <billander...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Quote: Places In the Heart
I think your interpretation of the end must be very different from mine.
It's been awhile since I watched it, but I remember being strongly
impressed by the number of dead characters who show up for communion.
Maybe this is meant to represent heaven? Unsure.
We see the sanctuary in a long shot and we see who is sitting in the
pews. Then, as communion is being served, we realize some of the
people we're seeing were not present before. By my count, three of
the worshipers who have inexplicably appeared are dead; the others,
e.g. a member of the dance band, are still living. I think the scene
is not meant to represent Heaven; it's meant to represent a place in
filmmaker Robert Benton's heart.
I can understand that, but to me it seems at odds with the rest of the
film. I've always interpreted it as a statement that those who passed
on are still among us in a spiritual sense; perhaps not quite as
ghosts, but there it is.
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Big Fish
Maybe this one too.
I saw no ghosts in either movie. (I remember a story about a werewolf
in Big Fish, but I recall no story about a ghost.)
I think the whole town of Spectre would qualify.
OK, maybe. The name of the town indicates that could be a valid
interpretation, but the people who lived there struck me only as odd
-- not ghostly. In Lost Horizon, were the the inhabitants of Shangri-
La supposed to be ghosts? I'd classify them as touched by magic,
certainly, but not ghosts as I normally understand the term. The
inhabitants of Brigadoon could be considered ghosts, I think, but to
me Spectre more closely resembled Shangri-La than Brigadoon.
To me this is a clearer indication of a ghost town, but I never
thought of Shangri-La. Interesting idea. I'll have to watch this one
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| Bill Anderson |
Posted: Sat Jul 07, 2007 9:46 pm |
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Okierazorbacker wrote:
Quote: On Jul 5, 1:51 pm, The Mighty Favog <billander...@my-deja.com> wrote:
Places In the Heart
I think your interpretation of the end must be very different from mine.
It's been awhile since I watched it, but I remember being strongly
impressed by the number of dead characters who show up for communion.
Maybe this is meant to represent heaven? Unsure.
We see the sanctuary in a long shot and we see who is sitting in the
pews. Then, as communion is being served, we realize some of the
people we're seeing were not present before. By my count, three of
the worshipers who have inexplicably appeared are dead; the others,
e.g. a member of the dance band, are still living. I think the scene
is not meant to represent Heaven; it's meant to represent a place in
filmmaker Robert Benton's heart.
I can understand that, but to me it seems at odds with the rest of the
film. I've always interpreted it as a statement that those who passed
on are still among us in a spiritual sense; perhaps not quite as
ghosts, but there it is.
I agree that the final scene sits apart from the rest of the film, but I
disagree that it is at odds with it. That final coda hit me like a ton
of bricks; I loved it. But others disagree. Roger Ebert, for example,
asserted that it didn't belong in the movie -- but he didn't see ghosts.
Here's what he said in his review:
The movie's last scene has caused a lot of comment. It is a dreamy,
idealistic fantasy in which all the characters in the film -- friends
and enemies, wives and mistresses, living and dead, black and white --
take communion together at a church service. This is a scene of great
vision and power, but it's too strong for the movie it concludes. PLACES
IN THE HEART can't support such an ending, because it hasn't led up to
it with a narrative that was straight and well-aimed as an arrow. The
story was on the farm and not in the town, and although the last scene
tries to draw them together, you can't summarize things that have
nothing in common.
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Big Fish
Maybe this one too.
I saw no ghosts in either movie. (I remember a story about a werewolf
in Big Fish, but I recall no story about a ghost.)
I think the whole town of Spectre would qualify.
OK, maybe. The name of the town indicates that could be a valid
interpretation, but the people who lived there struck me only as odd
-- not ghostly. In Lost Horizon, were the the inhabitants of Shangri-
La supposed to be ghosts? I'd classify them as touched by magic,
certainly, but not ghosts as I normally understand the term. The
inhabitants of Brigadoon could be considered ghosts, I think, but to
me Spectre more closely resembled Shangri-La than Brigadoon.
To me this is a clearer indication of a ghost town, but I never
thought of Shangri-La. Interesting idea. I'll have to watch this one
again soon.
Well keep in mind that when we first encountered the inhabitants of
Spectre, we saw them as they were being described by the old man -- the
teller of big fish tales. We saw later in the film that they were real
people, that Spectre was a real town, and that any ghostliness was a
creation of the old man's imagination. Do you think the old man
intended people listening to his story to think of Spectre as a ghost
town or as just a very strange town? I think it's the latter. The story
of Spectre was one of his tall tales, but it wasn't a ghost story. I think.
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Bill Anderson
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| Okierazorbacker |
Posted: Mon Jul 09, 2007 9:52 am |
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On Jul 7, 8:46 pm, Bill Anderson <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
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I agree that the final scene sits apart from the rest of the film, but I
disagree that it is at odds with it. That final coda hit me like a ton
of bricks; I loved it. But others disagree. Roger Ebert, for example,
asserted that it didn't belong in the movie -- but he didn't see ghosts.
Here's what he said in his review:
The movie's last scene has caused a lot of comment. It is a dreamy,
idealistic fantasy in which all the characters in the film -- friends
and enemies, wives and mistresses, living and dead, black and white --
take communion together at a church service. This is a scene of great
vision and power, but it's too strong for the movie it concludes. PLACES
IN THE HEART can't support such an ending, because it hasn't led up to
it with a narrative that was straight and well-aimed as an arrow. The
story was on the farm and not in the town, and although the last scene
tries to draw them together, you can't summarize things that have
nothing in common.
Ebert, like all of us, sometimes just doesn't get it. I do enjoy
reading his reviews more than any other well-known critic, but he
totally didn't get "Fight Club" either. I'm with you, I thought the
ending was perfect.
Quote:
Well keep in mind that when we first encountered the inhabitants of
Spectre, we saw them as they were being described by the old man -- the
teller of big fish tales. We saw later in the film that they were real
people, that Spectre was a real town, and that any ghostliness was a
creation of the old man's imagination. Do you think the old man
intended people listening to his story to think of Spectre as a ghost
town or as just a very strange town? I think it's the latter. The story
of Spectre was one of his tall tales, but it wasn't a ghost story. I think.
Point well taken. However, just because the old man was TELLING it as
a ghost story doesn't mean that it doesn't belong on the list of ghost
movies. It does, after all, show us the story from his perspective,
AS a ghost story. It also qualifies as being a film about werewolves
and giants, although they are Munchausen-type exaggerations as well.
Thanks for the stimulating discussion. |
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| BayonneTenor@gmail.com |
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 10:48 am |
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On Jun 29, 12:32 pm, "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
Quote: amol...@gmail.com wrote:
So I looked in the IMDb and lo and behold! I find a remake scheduled for
2008, with Steve Martin as Cosmo Topper. Why am I less than excited
about the prospects?
He has been making some bad film choices lately. |
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| Howard Brazee |
Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 7:43 pm |
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On Fri, 29 Jun 2007 09:32:17 -0700, "Frank R.A.J. Maloney"
<frajm@blarg.net> wrote:
Quote: So I looked in the IMDb and lo and behold! I find a remake scheduled for
2008, with Steve Martin as Cosmo Topper. Why am I less than excited
about the prospects?
Why does he do so many remakes? |
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| fake-name |
Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 3:54 am |
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BayonneTenor@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: Some friends and I were discussing good gost movies -- not horror or
splatter flicks -- and came up with the following list. Let's see if
we can add to it:
one that hasn't been mentioned:
"A Matter Of Life And Death" ( 1946 ) |
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 8:39 am |
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On Aug 2, 4:54 am, fake-name <fake-n...@fake-address.example.com>
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Quote: BayonneTe...@gmail.com wrote:
Some friends and I were discussing good gost movies -- not horror or
splatter flicks -- and came up with the following list. Let's see if
we can add to it:
one that hasn't been mentioned:
"A Matter Of Life And Death" ( 1946 )
Great movie, but where are the ghosts?
Tom |
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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2007 10:34 am |
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amolad2@gmail.com wrote:
Quote: On Aug 2, 4:54 am, fake-name <fake-n...@fake-address.example.com
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BayonneTe...@gmail.com wrote:
Some friends and I were discussing good gost movies -- not horror or
splatter flicks -- and came up with the following list. Let's see if
we can add to it:
one that hasn't been mentioned:
"A Matter Of Life And Death" ( 1946 )
Great movie, but where are the ghosts?
Tom
erm...
maybe I'm stetching the definition of "ghost" a bit..
but after all... he does "see dead people" |
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| Avoid normal situations. |
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 3:30 am |
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Frank R.A.J. Maloney <frajm@blarg.net> wrote:
Quote: amolad2@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
Quote: I mentioned to L that we had been kicking around ideas about films to
remake and it occurred to me that _Topper_ might be a suitable candidate
*if* the new script went back to the Thorne Smith novel, which is
considerably more risqué than the 1937 film and even more so for Smith's
_Topper Takes a Trip_.
So I looked in the IMDb and lo and behold! I find a remake scheduled for
2008, with Steve Martin as Cosmo Topper. Why am I less than excited
about the prospects?
Existence always detracts from truth. :-)
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| Frank R.A.J. Maloney |
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:22 am |
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Avoid normal situations. wrote:
Quote: Frank R.A.J. Maloney <frajm@blarg.net> wrote:
amolad2@gmail.com wrote:
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I mentioned to L that we had been kicking around ideas about films to
remake and it occurred to me that _Topper_ might be a suitable candidate
*if* the new script went back to the Thorne Smith novel, which is
considerably more risqué than the 1937 film and even more so for Smith's
_Topper Takes a Trip_.
So I looked in the IMDb and lo and behold! I find a remake scheduled for
2008, with Steve Martin as Cosmo Topper. Why am I less than excited
about the prospects?
Existence always detracts from truth.
I'd prefer to say that reality always lets me down.
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Frank in Seattle
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Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
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| Dave in Toronto |
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 11:52 am |
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On Sep 3, 12:22 pm, "Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
Quote: Avoid normal situations. wrote:
Frank R.A.J. Maloney <fr...@blarg.net> wrote:
amol...@gmail.com wrote:
[..]
I mentioned to L that we had been kicking around ideas about films to
remake and it occurred to me that _Topper_ might be a suitable candidate
*if* the new script went back to the Thorne Smith novel, which is
considerably more risqué than the 1937 film and even more so for Smith's
_Topper Takes a Trip_.
So I looked in the IMDb and lo and behold! I find a remake scheduled for
2008, with Steve Martin as Cosmo Topper. Why am I less than excited
about the prospects?
Existence always detracts from truth. :-)
I'd prefer to say that reality always lets me down.
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Frank in Seattle
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Regarding Steve Martin I'm beginning to think of him as "The man on
the stair who wasn't there" in the nonsense rhyme - "I wish that man
would go away."
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| Forge |
Posted: Mon Sep 03, 2007 1:29 pm |
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Why be less than excited about Steve Martin as Cosmo Topper? Oh I
dunno... maybe you saw the previews of Steve Martin as Inspector
Clouseau?
Frankly I'd have to lobotomize myself before seeing that. And I hear
they're going ahead with a sequel. |
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