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Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 12:13 pm
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David Oberman wrote:
Quote:
Dave in Toronto <dmatthews03@sympatico.ca> wrote:

Another comedy with a ghost twist - "Happy Ever After"- with David
Niven and Yvonne de Carlo. Niven plays a cad (Aptly named Jasper
O'Leary) who has inherits his dead uncle's Irish estate and has plans
that would change the villager's easy going life style so the
villagers, led by Barry Fitzgerald, decide that he has to go and the
time to do it is "O'Leary night" when the ghost of the first O'Leary
is said to walk the halls of the manor. A very young George Cole is
great as a simple minded villager.

Now I'm reminded of another ghost story I probably never saw in its
entirety: Laughton in "The Canterville Ghost"

I mentioned it en passant upthread, but let me assure you that Laughton
is his usual marvel as the Ghost. Margaret O'Brien is totally charming,
too. The only problem with the film, and it's a biggie, is Robert Young,
as the American GI who has to break the family curse.

I simply do not like Robert Young. I didn't like him in "Father Knows
Best" or in "Marcus Welby, M.D." I didn't like him in _Lady Be Good_
(1941) or _Western Union_ (1941) or _Honolulu_ (1939) -- where he plays
a double role, fergawdssake -- or _Northwest Passage_ (1940).

--
Frank in Seattle
____

Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."
David Oberman
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 1:19 pm
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"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <frajm@blarg.net> wrote:

Quote:
I mentioned it en passant upthread, but let me assure you that Laughton
is his usual marvel as the Ghost. Margaret O'Brien is totally charming,
too. The only problem with the film, and it's a biggie, is Robert Young,
as the American GI who has to break the family curse.

I simply do not like Robert Young. I didn't like him in "Father Knows
Best" or in "Marcus Welby, M.D." I didn't like him in _Lady Be Good_
(1941) or _Western Union_ (1941) or _Honolulu_ (1939) -- where he plays
a double role, fergawdssake -- or _Northwest Passage_ (1940).

I don't like Robert Young either. What a bland actor & a bland
personality. If there's an old movie I want to see but I hear it has
Robert Young in it (or Bob Cummings is another one I dislike), I
typically just avoid the movie.






____
Four shapeless shadows bright & beautiful
Draw that strange car of glory, reins of light
Check their unearthly speed; they stop & fold
Their wings of braided air:
The Daemon leaning from the ethereal car
Gazed on the slumbering maid.

-- Shelley
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 2:18 pm
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David Oberman wrote:
Quote:
"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <frajm@blarg.net> wrote:

I mentioned it en passant upthread, but let me assure you that Laughton
is his usual marvel as the Ghost. Margaret O'Brien is totally charming,
too. The only problem with the film, and it's a biggie, is Robert Young,
as the American GI who has to break the family curse.

I simply do not like Robert Young. I didn't like him in "Father Knows
Best" or in "Marcus Welby, M.D." I didn't like him in _Lady Be Good_
(1941) or _Western Union_ (1941) or _Honolulu_ (1939) -- where he plays
a double role, fergawdssake -- or _Northwest Passage_ (1940).

I don't like Robert Young either. What a bland actor & a bland
personality. If there's an old movie I want to see but I hear it has
Robert Young in it (or Bob Cummings is another one I dislike), I
typically just avoid the movie.

The problem with that strategy is that one winds up missing out on a lot
of otherwise fine films, or at least films of interest. Instead, I
prefer the philosophy of M. Anatole, Aunt Dahlia's talented chef in the
Bertie and Jeeves stories, who opined: "You have to take the smooths
with the roughs."

I generally agree with you about Cummings, btw. However, I will allow
that he's more than acceptable in _Three Smart Girls Grow Up_ (1939) and
_Moon Over Miami_ (1941).

--
Frank in Seattle
____

Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."
Dave in Toronto
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 3:13 pm
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On Jul 1, 2:19 pm, David Oberman <doberman@etc.> wrote:
Quote:
"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <f...@blarg.net> wrote:

I mentioned it en passant upthread, but let me assure you that Laughton
is his usual marvel as the Ghost. Margaret O'Brien is totally charming,
too. The only problem with the film, and it's a biggie, is Robert Young,
as the American GI who has to break the family curse.

I simply do not like Robert Young. I didn't like him in "Father Knows
Best" or in "Marcus Welby, M.D." I didn't like him in _Lady Be Good_
(1941) or _Western Union_ (1941) or _Honolulu_ (1939) -- where he plays
a double role, fergawdssake -- or _Northwest Passage_ (1940).

I don't like Robert Young either. What a bland actor & a bland
personality. If there's an old movie I want to see but I hear it has
Robert Young in it (or Bob Cummings is another one I dislike), I
typically just avoid the movie.

____



Not crazy about either but give credit where's it's due both had long
show business careers.

Young wasn't too bad in light weight vehicles like "Claudia" but most
of his films were forgettable with the exception of "Crossfire"
That's the one with the three Roberts - Young, Mitchum and Ryan - Ryan
was perfect Mitchum was wasted and Young's part could have been played
by any of a dozen actors - I guess they just wanted the gimmick of
three Roberts above the main title.

Cummings I could live without - no idea why Hitchcock used him twice
unless it was for contract reasons - I did like an early movie "The
Lost Moment" - based on Henry James' "The Aspern Papers" - but I would
have preferred someone else in his part - The Bob Cummins TV show was
an OK time waster in its time.

Dave in Toronto
David Oberman
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 4:33 pm
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"Frank R.A.J. Maloney" <frajm@blarg.net> wrote:

Quote:
I generally agree with you about Cummings, btw. However, I will allow
that he's more than acceptable in _Three Smart Girls Grow Up_ (1939) and
_Moon Over Miami_ (1941).

^ One of my favorite movies, as you know, although to me Cummings is a
bummer in it, with that hideous grin of his. But I'm eagler awaiting
the release of "Springtime in the Rockies" from that Marquee Musicals
line from Fox.






____
Four shapeless shadows bright & beautiful
Draw that strange car of glory, reins of light
Check their unearthly speed; they stop & fold
Their wings of braided air:
The Daemon leaning from the ethereal car
Gazed on the slumbering maid.

-- Shelley
Dave in Toronto
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 6:28 pm
Guest
.. But I'm eagler awaiting
Quote:
the release of "Springtime in the Rockies" from that Marquee Musicals
line from Fox.

____


"Springtime in the Rockies" is a delight.

I've forgotten quite how, in a film set in the Canadian Rockies, they
segue into a Latin American finale but I guess you don't ask
embarrassing questions of a Betty Grable film.

I'm also pretty sure that actor Chief Many Treaties who plays an
Indian in the movie was playing under an assumed name. Wonder who he
really was?

Dave in Toronto
Frank R.A.J. Maloney
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:04 pm
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Dave in Toronto wrote:
Quote:
.. But I'm eagler awaiting
the release of "Springtime in the Rockies" from that Marquee Musicals
line from Fox.

____


"Springtime in the Rockies" is a delight.

I've forgotten quite how, in a film set in the Canadian Rockies, they
segue into a Latin American finale but I guess you don't ask
embarrassing questions of a Betty Grable film.


They go back to New York to put on the new show, bankrolled by Carmen
Miranda's new boyfriend, Edward Everett Horton. Uh-huh, sure, I believe
that.

There's a lot to love in this film. One of its minor points of interest
is seeing a young, relatively svelte Jackie Gleason as "the
Commissioner", Payne's and Grable's agent.

Quote:
I'm also pretty sure that actor Chief Many Treaties who plays an
Indian in the movie was playing under an assumed name. Wonder who he
really was?

I can only remember two "Indians" with lines in the film. The IMDb shows
three in the cast Iron Eyes Cody and his brother J.W. Cody, the sons of
Italian immigrants, and Many Treaties, a Blackfoot born William Malcolm
Hazlett. The two are waiters and they have a rather embarrassing
exchange after Harry James plays along the lines "The Harry James really
sends me."


--
Frank in Seattle
____

Frank Richard Aloysius Jude Maloney
"Millennium hand and shrimp."
Martin Koolhoven
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 7:49 pm
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Howard Brazee <howard@brazee.net> wrote:

Quote:
On Sat, 30 Jun 2007 11:42:39 +0200, MYNAME@xs4all.nlSPAMSHIT (Martin
Koolhoven) wrote:


I'm missing The Devil's Backbone

The trouble with that movie is that it's a realistic ghost movie.

Is it....? I thought it was pretty magical.


Quote:
Ghosts and magic work for allegory - compare this to _Pan's
Labyrinth_. But this was too close to believing in them.

I saw a different film. Of the first film mentioned half of them were
more realistic than The Devil's Backbone.



--
gr,
Martin Koolhoven
look at this: http://tinyurl.com/2sryc6
David Oberman
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 8:01 pm
Guest
Dave in Toronto wrote:
Quote:
"Springtime in the Rockies" is a delight.

Remember Charlotte Greenwood's solo dance in the spotlight in the
nightclub? I think of all her ugly-duckling dances (where she hoofs
her hoofs sideways above her head like a clicky doll), the one in
"Springtime" is the funniest & best.

Here's Charlotte doing her thing in "The Gang's All Here":
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5KMxRwV1QQ

When she dances, her whole face smiles from start to finish. She was
great.


Frank wrote:
Quote:
I can only remember two "Indians" with lines in the film. The IMDb shows
three in the cast Iron Eyes Cody and his brother J.W. Cody, the sons of
Italian immigrants, and Many Treaties, a Blackfoot born William Malcolm
Hazlett. The two are waiters and they have a rather embarrassing
exchange after Harry James plays along the lines "The Harry James really
sends me."

The Harry James band does "I Had the Craziest Dream," which is pretty
magical & evocative in the film, with its plaintive muted trumpet. I
think there's a vocalist in that number, too, but I can't remember.
Had Harry & Betty married yet at this point?

For some reason, "Springtime" doesn't have that wildly vibrant
Technicolor that most of the other Grable Fox musicals do (like "Moon
Over Miami" & "Down Argentine Way"). The color palette seems paler &
the lighting darker. In a way, I wish it had that jump-out-at-you
color of the others -- the turquoise Lake Louise makes a perfect
camera subject.






____
Four shapeless shadows bright & beautiful
Draw that strange car of glory, reins of light
Check their unearthly speed; they stop & fold
Their wings of braided air:
The Daemon leaning from the ethereal car
Gazed on the slumbering maid.

-- Shelley
Jared
Posted: Sun Jul 01, 2007 11:14 pm
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On Jul 1, 1:20 pm, Dave in Toronto <dmatthew...@sympatico.ca> wrote:
Quote:
On Jun 30, 9:21 pm, David Oberman <doberman@etc.> wrote:

"Below"
Creepy scenes of spectral figures in mirrors moving

That's the one. Thanks. Yes, those scenes were spooky.

Indeed, and a couple in a similar vein, "Deathwatch" and "The Bunker".

Any recent list of spooky ghost movies would be largely Asian. Some
of my favourites...

Tale of Two Sisters
Dark Water
Ring
Ju-on: The Grudge


A little known Aussie film I love is very much an exercise in
atmosphere: "Lost Things", and on the subject of atmosphere, the run
down location of Waverley Hills Sanitorium deserves a better film than
"Death Tunnel".
Okierazorbacker
Posted: Mon Jul 02, 2007 2:22 pm
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On Jun 30, 9:20 am, Bill Anderson <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
Okierazorbacker wrote:
There are some great ones like "Rebecca" that have a ghostly air to
them, but here are a few not mentioned that have actual ghostly
presence...and not including any zombiemoviesw/o ghosts:

Places In the Heart

I think your interpretation of the end must be very different from mine.

It's been awhile since I watched it, but I remember being strongly
impressed by the number of dead characters who show up for communion.
Maybe this is meant to represent heaven? Unsure.
Quote:

Big Fish

Maybe this one too.

I saw no ghosts in either movie. (I remember a story about a werewolf
in Big Fish, but I recall no story about aghost.)

I think the whole town of Spectre would qualify.
Quote:

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
Waldo Lydecker
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2007 11:53 pm
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There was a horror film I saw as a young child in the 60's. I cannot
remember the name of it to save my life. All I can remember about the
movie is that either a man or woman or both were riding in a
convertible out in the countryside, possibly near a cliff and ended up
at some castle or brick mansion. The only other part I can recall is
some man lifting up a shovel and driving it down either into someone
or into a wooden casket. Something like that. Ring a bell with anyone?

Thanks,
Waldo
David Oberman
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 12:36 am
Guest
Waldo Lydecker <ferrante276-waldolydecker@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:
There was a horror film I saw as a young child in the 60's. I cannot
remember the name of it to save my life. All I can remember about the
movie is that either a man or woman or both were riding in a
convertible out in the countryside, possibly near a cliff and ended up
at some castle or brick mansion. The only other part I can recall is
some man lifting up a shovel and driving it down either into someone
or into a wooden casket. Something like that. Ring a bell with anyone?

In "The Shuttered Room," Gig Young & Carol Lynley drove in a
convertible through the countryside to the old mill house, where the
crazy old Flora Robson lived. But I don't remember the shovel scene.






____
"He was a-whetting his bowie on
his boot -- so I let it pass."

-- Twain, The Whittier Birthday Speech
Waldo Lydecker
Posted: Wed Jul 04, 2007 9:21 pm
Guest
On Tue, 03 Jul 2007 22:36:52 -0700, David Oberman <doberman@etc.>
wrote:

Quote:
Waldo Lydecker <ferrante276-waldolydecker@yahoo.com> wrote:

There was a horror film I saw as a young child in the 60's. I cannot
remember the name of it to save my life. All I can remember about the
movie is that either a man or woman or both were riding in a
convertible out in the countryside, possibly near a cliff and ended up
at some castle or brick mansion. The only other part I can recall is
some man lifting up a shovel and driving it down either into someone
or into a wooden casket. Something like that. Ring a bell with anyone?

In "The Shuttered Room," Gig Young & Carol Lynley drove in a
convertible through the countryside to the old mill house, where the
crazy old Flora Robson lived. But I don't remember the shovel scene.



Thanks! I will check it out.


Waldo




Quote:



____
"He was a-whetting his bowie on
his boot -- so I let it pass."

-- Twain, The Whittier Birthday Speech
The Mighty Favog
Posted: Thu Jul 05, 2007 2:51 pm
Guest
On Jul 2, 3:22 pm, Okierazorbacker <okierazorbac...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Jun 30, 9:20 am, Bill Anderson <billanderson...@yahoo.com> wrote:

Okierazorbacker wrote:
There are some great ones like "Rebecca" that have a ghostly air to
them, but here are a few not mentioned that have actual ghostly
presence...and not including any zombiemoviesw/o ghosts:

Places In the Heart

I think your interpretation of the end must be very different from mine.

It's been awhile since I watched it, but I remember being strongly
impressed by the number of dead characters who show up for communion.
Maybe this is meant to represent heaven? Unsure.



We see the sanctuary in a long shot and we see who is sitting in the
pews. Then, as communion is being served, we realize some of the
people we're seeing were not present before. By my count, three of
the worshipers who have inexplicably appeared are dead; the others,
e.g. a member of the dance band, are still living. I think the scene
is not meant to represent Heaven; it's meant to represent a place in
filmmaker Robert Benton's heart.

Quote:

Big Fish

Maybe this one too.

I saw no ghosts in either movie. (I remember a story about a werewolf
in Big Fish, but I recall no story about a ghost.)

I think the whole town of Spectre would qualify.


OK, maybe. The name of the town indicates that could be a valid
interpretation, but the people who lived there struck me only as odd
-- not ghostly. In Lost Horizon, were the the inhabitants of Shangri-
La supposed to be ghosts? I'd classify them as touched by magic,
certainly, but not ghosts as I normally understand the term. The
inhabitants of Brigadoon could be considered ghosts, I think, but to
me Spectre more closely resembled Shangri-La than Brigadoon.

--
Bill Anderson

I am the Mighty Favog
 
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