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| Josss |
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Hello all,
I will soon begin to record a show with deva II and this will be the first
time I 'll use it. So if somenone have a link for Deva II manual I would
enjoy it very much (especially if it's french.... cause i'm french). I don't
find it on the web. Any suggestions and tips will be welcome too.
Thanks to all and long life to this list
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| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 9:54 am |
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www.zaxcom.com
"Josss" <jstadeVOUDLA@free.fr> wrote in message news:<c7nlth$jk6$1@news-reader5.wanadoo.fr>...
Quote: Hello all,
I will soon begin to record a show with deva II and this will be the first
time I 'll use it. So if somenone have a link for Deva II manual I would
enjoy it very much (especially if it's french.... cause i'm french). I don't
find it on the web. Any suggestions and tips will be welcome too.
Thanks to all and long life to this list
Jocelyn |
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| Wolf |
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from my book: ( much of it came from this group)
DEVA
pictures deleted from thei email
Pictured on the left is the white 1999 version, the 2000 version is the
same machine but prettier they say. On right is the announced DEVA 3 or
4 or 5 for 2003. Its NAB 2004 and its not here yet.
http://www.zaxcom.com/audio/devas.shtml
These are machines up to 10 tracks with built in full size DVD and HD
with some interesting options: The ability to have each channel's meter
a different color. Its an easy way to reference color of Peak meter to
color of say RF mike. Here the 4 page brochure
http://www.zaxcom.com/downloads/Deva%20Brochure%20NG.pdf
USA list prices: Deva III $8600.00 Deva IV $9950.00 Deva V
$12,950.00 as of summer 2003.
Manual (not up to date) is on http://coffeysound.com/ click on
Community tab, then Articles, then DEVA manual.
Deva I and II: 20 bit AES/EBU mic/line (24 bit ready), 4 tracks or
less, timecode in/out, approx. US $9950.00. Software is quickly revised
as field recordists demands and technology changes. Local storage HD
costs from $250 for 1.2G to $550 for 4G of proprietary HD in 2002 ( of
course these prices go down every month). Boot up is 10 seconds. Deva
needs 10 minutes to warm up below 32°F. The manufacturer could not give
an upper temperature limit. Experience shows 110°F. It is very dirt
proof (no moving parts) and withstands 150g force (probably powered down
though. ed.). You can pull power from Deva in the middle of a recording
and not lose any audio up to that point. A Deva can be used directly in
post to chase timecode and run under RS422 control. Devices like DV40,
AKAI DDR8, Tascam MMR8, Protools, Sadie, Fairlight and now Avids with
Software version 10.5 can all play Deva disks directly.
Much info at : http://www.coffeysound.com/cameo.htm#devamate and
http://www.trewaudio.com/deva_new.htm and http://www.trewaudio.com/deva.htm
Glenn Sanders is CEO of Zaxcom Audio - he is very available and
responsive to customer requests. Web: http://zaxcom.com/audio/Deva.html.
Manual available on the web ( not very good):
http://zaxcom.com/downloads/deva_ops.pdf
<http://zaxcom.com/downloads/index.shtml>. Also check out general info:
http://www.soundspeedmovie.com/resources/articles/zaxcom/devacaemo.html.
A very few in use in 1999, maybe 30 by 2000, maybe 100 worldwide by
2002. They say over 300 by 2003. Zaxcom has a private mailing list for
DEVA owners only.
Promotional and very technical press release put out by Texas
Instruments at http://biz.yahoo.com/prnews/031029/daw017_1.html
The on board HD is removable. Deva in 2001 writes 16 and now (2002) 24
bit files to .WAV and SD2 sound file formats on an attached DVD-ROM
(approx. $1000) runs on 12V. The DVD has a separate power switch and the
order of power up is unpredictable... it takes 2 tries at times. This
backup procedure is easy and automatic and can be automatically
interrupted. DVD of course dislikes G forces and wet and dirty
environments, but if there are problems in transfer on the set to DVD
one could refer back to the original safety master HD. JAZZ storage
disks are out of favor in 2002. DVD disks at 5.2G costs $40 = 8 hours
linear mono. Deva downloads to the external DVD disk are 4 times faster
than real time when using 1 track and 2 times faster when using 2 track.
Real time transfer takes place with 4 track recordings. Since the DVD
can be made at the same time as the internal HD recording is made, the
transfer time does not eat into a long wrap. Deva will give a free
machine to transfer houses to use on most projects. Transfer houses will
be able to use the DVD-ROM in their computers to transfer files to
Protools (this is still a difficult procedure and needs planning),
Waveframe and AVID (most problems occur here).
This year Digi released an add-on to PTLE for ProTools called "DV
Toolkit" that among other things gives LE back its TC time-scale, nudge
to frame etc etc.
The Deva has an unusual and possibly useful Timecode "AUTO LOAD"
feature. It automatically puts the Deva into record as soon as external
timecode starts to move, and then stop when the timecode stops.
Therefore, it is possible to put the master DAT machine into record and
it will then roll the Deva just by sending TC. The Deva will also follow
the record run TC from a video camera. Very convenient.
Deva DVD in DV40 playback compatibilities: When telecine uses "Auto List
Mode" on the DV40 to transfer DEVA DVDs to video tape, it seems that
whatever mode the very first segment on the DVD is recorded in, be it 1,
2 or 4 tracks, it is all the DV40 will subsequently recognize on that
disk. It will not recognize or read files in any other track format.
With a ton of dailies to do each night the guys in telecine have no time
to figure this out so they just default to the DAT backup. One answer is
to leave the DEVA in 4 track mode. Fostex said they are working on it in
June 2003.
The DV40 will play DVD-RAM disks made with the Deva-II as long as the
disks were made with BWF-P (polyphonic) files. The DV40 will not yet
play SD2 files from the Deva because of the Deva's FAT16 disk format.
(Summer 2003)
Avid - Deva connection: Colin Broad makes an RS422 to MIDI box that lets
you control Deva transport logic from an Avid. Check with him for
correct details. http://www.colinbroad.com/index.html
Avid software works in 16 bit only as of 2002. It will truncate the DEVA
file to 16 bits if 24 bit files are used in recording and fed to AVID.
This is not a problem if the original 24 bit files will go to audio post
and will replace the temp 16bit files there. If the audio from the Avid
is the final audio for air, 16 bit files properly rounded by Deva should
be used to load the Avid as this is a better controlled way of
"truncating". How the Avid does this is suspect and out of anybody
control who cares or is responsible for sound in any way. Don't trust
all this "automatic" reduction of quality. Avid as of 2003 is said to
handle 4 tracks of 24 bit sound - some say it's only announced, but the
salesmen at NAB insists it is here. Who do you trust? The Avid 11.x
will directly import BWF-files. It will truncate (not dither) the last 8
bit. Only the new adrenaline version is capable of dealing with 24bit
and 4 tracks. Frank Kruse
WAV file manipulation: Rail Rogut has a new freeware tool called Header
Investigator which will allow fairly complete manipulation of WAV file
headers. Should come in handy for those off-speed playback jobs or just
general fixes. Try http://home.earthlink.net/~railro/
<http://home.earthlink.net/%7Erailro/> .Other MAC tools to convert and
manage WAV: http://www.soundminer.com/products/ and
http://www.spherico.com/filmtools/
Deva file conversions: http://www.soundminer.com/
<http://www.soundminer.com/> and Sebsky Tools software
http://www.dharmafilm.com/sebskytools/ will do most all conversions of
DEVA files , also retains metadata/timecode stamp and will downconvert
24 bit to 16 bit good for FCP and Quicktime.
Sonic Foundry's Sound Forge 6 will read BWF and SD1
http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/showproduct.asp?PID=668&FeatureID=5825&FeatureTL=5799
<http://www.sonicfoundry.com/products/showproduct.asp?PID=668&FeatureID=5825&FeatureTL=5799>
Wavelab opens and reads and saves SD2 files.
Cool Edit will read SD2 files. SD2 files are split into two files each.
The data fork (the big file) is just raw packed audio with no header.
This can be read by any program that has a RAW reading option. You
specify: mono, 48000 Hz, and for the data type if it's a 16bit file
just choose 16bit. If it is a 24bit file you have to choose 32bit
floating point first and then in the next menu you have to choose 24bit
Motorola (little endian) format. -howy zaxcom engineer.
There are several makes of DVD drives for Deva. Here is one: Remote
Audio's Direct Drive is a DC powered enclosure (input voltage range:
10-24 volts) for data storage drives.
http://www.remoteaudio.com/direct_drive.htm
MY BEEF WITH DEVA:
I like the quiet headphone amp but it needs more gain for the occasional
background noise check. Uncalibrated headphone amp gain settings are
useless and confusing. One needs to be able to crank up the gain for a
quick check and come back to the exact same calibrated level of
headphone gain. This should be a tactile event only, not require one to
glance at a display. (I am asking for a knob with say 5 db indentations)
I would like to see calibrated tactile positions for various headphone
monitor settings (1-2 mono, 1-2 stereo etc). - the present arrangement
of presets stored under the Function buttons is pretty good but
requires one to look at the machine. When one is mixing one has so many
other things to look at: the set for visual cues, the script for what's
next, the meters for a rough idea of closeness to overload, the
director or others giving cues to actors... etc...
Unusual changes are occasionally generated by the DEVA on its own in
menu settings not that obvious to operator (the input to track menu
changed itself - without human intervention) - this may have been the
particular machine I used only.
The low battery warning comes on in ref to internal battery at
inopportune times.
Wish list for future Zaxcom upgrades: by an aficionado donavandear@earthlink.net <mailto:donavandear@earthlink.net>
A comprehensive manual for the wirelesses, Deva, and Cameo.
A solution to digital RF that sometimes sends noise into mic cables. Digital RF happens because of poor microphone and mic cable shielding, using lower power is the cure. (the solution is 2 capacitors at the cable end of the boom cable)
Ability to quickly adjust input gain in digital mode on Cameo.
A uniform gain structure for each transmitter.
Wider frequency range on RF spectrum analyzer.
World Peace
Metering needs peak hold bars for 5,10 or 20 sec (adjustable) - and
probably a faster integration time. Fall back time is irrelevant. A peak
hold feature is great for making copies and looking at the meter after
an hour to see if there are any trouble spots.
DEVA II needs an analog safety limiter - PD4 is a good example of a
good limiter (so are many early Sony DAT recorders) - this is very
necessary safety tool that one only needs once a week but then it has
to be as inaudible as possible as a save your ass tool. Actors all have
the tendency to go unpredictably to a loud scream from a inaudible
whisper........ limiters in mix-boards are not that good, and hitting
the DEVA hard sounds DREADFUL. Its promised for the III and up
File Formats for Deva III, IV, V
When the new Deva writes a DVD (or any other fire wire format) you will
have the option of writing either SD2, BWF or ZAX files. The ZAX files
are proprietary, but when you select them a small translation program
will be added to the DVD. This translation program will allow the reader
to open anyone of the sound files in any format or sampling rate. So if
the picture editor wants BWF mono files at 48K and the sound editor
wants SD2 files at 48.048 they can both use the same original DVD. Of
course you can also write 2 different formats simultaneously to the
built in DVD and the external Firewire device).
The DEVA III +++ on has a fall back on power loss to an internal small
batt for a low accuracy TC generator. If that is accurate enough for a 1
min batt change needs to be field tested. (this according to Glen)
DEVA II cheat sheet:
With this info you can fire it up on the set having never seen it before
(they say at Coffey sound) I find you need a 1 hour session with a
knowledgeable source as there is no decent manual.
<setting up the DEVA to record:>
1) press SHIFT + MODE (or the 2 key), then with the F1 key select 1, 2,
or 4 track recording.
2) make sure AUTO LOAD (incoming TC) is OFF. (F2)
3) set the PRERECORD for what you like, 0 - 10 seconds, for playback
purposes, or select OFF with the F4 key.
4) while in this MODE MENU, press the MORE key. this will allow you to
toggle between analog and digital inputs. set 1-2, 3-4 to analog or
digital using F1 and F2.
5) while in this MODE MENU, press the MORE key one last time. set the
inputs to MIC or LINE level using F1 to F4 keys.
6) press SHIFT + HOME. Repeated pressing of F1 (HOME)
7) press SHIFT + SETUP (6), than select the proper sample rate with the
F1 key, usually 48000K.
8) press SHIFT + HOME.
9) press SHIFT + TIME CODE (ENT), and select the frame rate with the F4
key, usually 30NDF.
10) set the time code by pressing the MORE key, and then simply enter
the time code with the numeric key pad, example: 09350000. when time is
entered, press JAM TC (F3) and TC display will read 09:35:00:00. The TC
gen jams to normal input time.
11) set the user bits the same way from this screen, but using the JAM
UB (F4).
then to record with the DEVA simply press REC or STOP accordingly. each
time REC and then STOP is pressed, a segment is created. To play back a
specific segment, press the desired segment number with the keypad and
then press CUE, and then PLAY.
<so you want to mirror.......>
the DEVA allows for a copy or "mirror" of it's internal hard drive to
dvd ram via the deva's scsi port. the DEVA mirrors audio files, not
actual audio, so it is very important to understand what format your
post facility wants. the DEVA will write BWF.M, BWF.P, and SDII files,
and in either 16 or 24 bit file widths.
* know this information before you mirror!
<to mirror a dvd:>
1) with power to the DEVA OFF, make your scsi connection from the DEVA
to the dvd ram drive with a scsi cable.
2) if your dvd burner has a scsi id, set it to id 4. if it is at any
other setting, the mirror will not work.
3) turn ON the dvd burner and insert a new dvd ram disk. wait about 15
seconds for the dvd burner to mount the dvd ram disk inside.
4) power ON the DEVA. wait for DEVA to display STOP or SCSI AUDIO
DIFFERENT MIRROR MODE DISABLED.
5) format the dvd by pressing SHIFT + SETUP (6). than press MORE. press
F3 (ERASE SCSI,) than F4 to confirm format. DEVA will display "SCSI IS
DONE" when it has finished the format.
6) press SHIFT + SCSI (7). than press MORE. select the file type and
width with the F3 and F4 keys.
7) press MORE and select the segment to start mirroring by entering the
number with the keypad and press F4 to accept.
8) press F3 to start the mirror, than SHIFT + F1 (HOME.) the deva should
display REC and the number it is mirroring in the lower right of the
display.
9) when ever you power down the deva or are finished mirroring, take the
deva out of mirror by pressing SHIFT + SCSI then F3 until OFF MIRROR
MODE is displayed.
* in MIRROR, not TURBO, it is ok to use the DEVA to make recordings
while mirroring to DVD in TURBO mode, you cannot interrupt the mirror
process with a DEVA recording.
<to playback or check audio on DVD:>
there are two ways to do this: first by playing back the audio, and
secondly, by checking the audio in the SHOW SEGMENT section.
method one:
1) after mirroring the audio, and from the HOME page, press SHIFT + SCSI.
2) press F1 to switch from INT DISK PLAY to EXT DISK PLAY.
3) press SHIFT + HOME and check to see that the pie shaped disk is
spinning in the lower right corner, not the upper left. if not, repeat
these 3 steps again.
4) select the segment you wish to play, (CUE + NUMBER,) then press PLAY.
audio should begin to play.
5) when you are finished playing back the audio, repeat these steps to
return deva to INT DISK PLAY.
method two:
1) while in EXT DISK PLAY, and from the HOME page, press SHIFT + F4.
2) press F3 (SHOW SEG.)
3) use INC or DEC to scroll through the segments recorded. timecode,
user bits, length, sample rate, and number of tracks are displayed. when
finished, press SHIFT + HOME., and return DEVA to INT DISK PLAY.
<to set up cue points for playback:>
1) after recording your audio, first press SHIFT + F4 from the HOME
page. than press F4. next press F3. Lastly, press SHIFT + HOME to exit.
this sets up the DEVA for recording cues.
2) from the home page press SHIFT + CUE.
3) playback audio on disk, and at the desired cue point press STOP.
4) press MARK CUE (F1) to select cue point.
5) name the cue number by entering it with the keypad, usually starting
with 1 and increasing by one each time. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9........ press
CUR CUE (F3) to number the cue.
6) press STORE CUE to save cue. DEVA will display "IT IS DONE."
7) press PLAY to continue.
repeat this process until all cue points are entered.
<to playback cues:>
1) make sure you are in the SHIFT + CUE page.
2) select the desired cue point to playback with the numeric keypad.
3) press CUR CUE (F3) to load cue point.
4) press PLAY to begin current cue play. disk will not stop after cue is
finished so it is necessary to press STOP when cue is finished.
5) repeat steps for all cuepoints.
hint: this also works while in PLAY mode if you can do it fast enough.
to instantly replay a playing cue press the CUE button (not SHIFT + CUE)
* to adjust the display contrast, from the home page press SHIFT + INC
or SHIFT + DEC to increase or decrease contrast respectively.
* if there is ever a problem with the DEVA it is possible to reboot it
like a home computer. To do this power the DEVA OFF. Press and hold the
MORE key while turning the DEVA ON, and continue to hold for 5 seconds
after the DEVA is powered up. The display will show a quick set menu.
Ignore this and press SHIFT + HOME. This will change DEVA's settings to
the factory defaults. This may affect some of your settings, so go
through the setup again, and check all of your settings.
Call Coffey Sound 323-876-7525 with any questions and speak to Chris
Silverman.
Deva friendly facilities:
In Los Angeles: Ascent Media, Company 3, Danetracks, Echo Sound,
Encore, Fotokem, Laser Pacific, Level 3, MatchFrame, Modern Video Film,
Rushes, Sony Post Production Sound, Soundelux, SuperDailies, Technicolor
Creative Services , The Post Group, Todd-AO, Warner Hollywood , Westwind
Media
In New York: Company 3, Sound One
Other U.S. Cities: Cineworks (Miami), Crawford (Atlanta) , Filmworkers
Club; Dallas and Chicago (Nashville, soon), Shooters ,(Philadelphia)
Canada: Toy Box (Toronto), Deluxe (Toronto), iPost (Toronto)
U.K.: CFS, Deluxe, Soho Images, Todd AO, Technicolour
Matchframe (http://mfv.com/ sales@mfv.com <mailto:sales@mfv.com> )
claims a 25% cost reduction in transfer to Digi Beta video (four audio
tracks) if Aaton or ARRI TC is used on film. (I suspect the same is true
for any film TC and DAT - in other words the savings are due to TC on
film rather the DEVA technology.) There is no DAT shuttle time to wait
for in telecine, the DEVA syncs instantly with the 232 protocol. I guess
more than those 25% will be spent on making a real time archive copy
(simul DAT?) of the whole DEVA hard disk to DA-98 (there are losses of
course DEVA is 20 bit, DA-88 is 16 bit out of the box). No one seems to
read DVD (and use OMF format) directly into Avid quite yet (2001). All
transfers are still done in telecine in Hollywood. Few editors sync in
Avid (Lightworks, FCP) yet. Sound editors could use the DVD from
production to feed their Pro-Tools and Waveframe. Field reports are
confirming excellent reliability. Deva is not appropriate yet (2002,
2003, 2004) for any short term projects where the obvious set up (of
post) is still difficult and uneconomical and people have no easy
guidance. You can sync straight off the DEVA DVD disc using Aatons InDaw
in telecine or the Fostex DV40 or Tascams MMR or the Otari multitrack.
The Future: Deva III, Deva IV and Deva V were announced for summer 2003
and will arrive prob in summer 2004: Zaxcom says that they will
introduce three new hard disk recorders - Deva III, IV and V, These
recorders will range from a 6-track to a 10-track, Soft-Limited Analog
Inputs, All inputs have 48V phantom power, Simultaneous Dual-media
Recording, Direct Input of Scene, Take and Notes, FireWire Interface,
Standardized Internal Removable Drive, MARF 2.0, the Zaxcom Mobile Audio
Recording Format (MARF) will be upgraded to be directly FAT 32
compatible, Studio quality internal mixer.
Microsoft made XP not backwards compatible with FAT 16 formatted DVD's.
The fix is a program called 'WriteDVD' version 4.1 by Software
Architects www.softarch.com <http://www.softarch.com/> . It re-enabled
the drive for FAT 16. Read about *.WAV at
http://www.ebu.ch/pmc_bwf.html , not sure if it preserves TC.
William Sarokin <soundbill@worldnet.att.net> writes April 2002: On the
PC I'm using Cool Edit 2000 to play back the 16 and 24 bit BWF files
from Deva written DVD. I'm using Quick Time 4.1 to play the 16 bit SD2
files. So far nobody knows how to play 24 bit SD2's on a PC.
Interesting translation software http://www.avtransfer.com/ DSP Media
Inc. 11330 Ventura Blvd. Studio City, CA 91604 USA tel: (818) 487 5656
fax: (818) 487 5660
Re: batch-converter for Mac or pc that converts 24bit SD2 to BWF
including the timestamps. Roland Morris says: Nuendo should be able to
do it now also try AVTransfer with MacOpener.
Deva in Post:
1. DVD made by Deva on the set is sent into post.
2. When a telecine transfer is made, an RS-422 connection is needed to
make that transfer from production audio to the telecine reader. The DVD
readers don't have that port they need to be connected to a telecine
device that sends RS232 transport controls. So when you send in a DVD. A
DVD player connected to a Deva which has a built in RS-422 control port
is needed OR a Tascam MMR-8 OR Akai dubber OR Fostex DV40 will also
work. All three options cost between $5K to $10K, not a huge investment
for a post house to make to upgrade to 24 bit, 4 track audio quality
with faster syncing times and no preroll requirements.
DEVA and FCP2: FCP2 only supports AIFF (AFAIK). you will have to batch
convert all your BWF or SD2 files from Deva using a batch converter like
Barbabatch or Soundapp. You will lose all timestamps because AIFF
doesn't know timestamps. Use the guide track from the 24p for editing
and create EDLs (FCP2 can do this). then conform directly from the DEVA
to your DAW.
Cool Edit: To transfer SD2 DVD files into PC w/ Cool Edit from DEVA
DVD: Settings 48K, 32 bit float,24 bit, Bit Packed Motorola PCM, Create
Header, Zero offset. Now: http://www.adobe.com/products/audition/main.html
Pro Tools: There are a few versions of ProTools (in the vicinity of
version 5.1.1) that have trouble with SD2 files and timecode. Go to
www.protools.com <http://www.protools.com/> and search for "deva" to get
more details. The short of it is that some versions of ProTools 5.1.x
cannot read timecode at all while other versions read the timecode but
its off by 0.1%. If you are sending files to a post house with Protools
5.1.x make sure they have the latest patch (I think it's called cs5).
The problem was fixed in version 6. Frank Kruse works with BWF because
Sd2 doesn´t support userbits and meta-data. Unfortunately PT is very
poor in handling metadata. The spot-window only shows timestamps and
that´s it allthough the data is in the file. For better
conforming-from-disk workflow check out gallery´s MetaFlow software.
http://www.metaflow.info/MetaFlowpress0702.html
News from Deva fall 2002: Glen Trew writes: I sent Foto Kem in LA some
test DVD-RAM disks to try in their new DVD-40. The test included both
Deva II and Nagra V files, both on DVD-RAM. Both worked.
For the Deva sample, I sent 1, 2, and 4 track takes with these
parameters: 24 bit, 48K, 30fr ND timecode, BWF-P. The Deva has the
option of creating BWF-P files or BWF-M files. The "P" means that all 4
tracks will appear in a single file. The "M" means that all 4 tracks
will appear as 4 individual files. The DV40 handled the "P" files just
fine, so I'd recommend "P" for projects going to DV40 at this time.
I'm sure there's some wondering about why have the Nagra V files on
DVD-RAM. Well, for those who prefer the Nagra V, I wanted to see if
there was an option for using it on productions where the Fostex DV40
was used in post. The answer is yes. Why Nagra files to DVD-RAM? Let's
say that someone has a Nagra V and usually sends in the Orb disks for
postproduction to drag-n-drop the wav files into the workstation. Then,
for whatever reason, a client requests DVD-RAM disks for use with the
Fostex DV40. As it turns out, this can be done without too much
difficulty. The way I did it was to first record on the Nagra V's
internal Orb drive. Then, using a notebook computer with pcmcia SCSI
port, an external Orb drive, and an external DVD-RAM drive, I
transferred the Nagra files directly to from the Orb to the DVD-RAM. The
DVD-RAM disk was then sent to Foto Kem where the files were played back
with the Fostex DV40.
I had to transfer the Nagra's files from Orb to DVD-RAM because the
Fostex DV40 has only the DVD-RAM drive and no SCSI or Firewire port.
However, since the DV40 does have an ethernet port, presumably a
computer could be added to the network that had an Orb drive attached to
it. If that's the case then a DVD-RAM copy would not have to be made.
Many thanks to Eric Cohen of Foto Kem for his willingness to help in
these tests and to Rick Canata of Fostex for expediting the needed
software upgrades. Signed Glen Trew 2002
Tascam has a DEVA expert: Scott Esterson.
The Fostex DV40 is a $ 5000 DVD deck will play Deva disks and interface
with Sony editing protocols (422) used in telecine and down conversion.
Needs AC. Need help how to get tracks directly into AVID: contact Del
Spiva (contact thru Local 700), an LA editor who successfully loaded the
tracks into Avid while on PEARL HARBOR.
DV40 post house users in 2002: Fotokem Film and Video, Burbank; Rushes,
Los Angeles; Complete Post, Hollywood; Westwind Studios, Burbank;
Shooters Post, Philadelphia; Paramount Sound, Transfer Dept.; Sony
Studios, Post Production; Universal Studios, Post Production and Engineering
DVD-RAM audio files - mag stock dailies
This method has been practiced for approx. 15 movies out of Sony Studios by 2002. Sony has several DEVAS in their rental stock and in telecine. Mag transfers are made off 24bit DVD-RAM disk, timecode is carried over to the balance stripe on mag film (this is not always perfectly readable), dailies are synced on the KEM to conventional clap slate (no TC), regular film dailies are projected on a large screen showing real focus/out of focus images with "film" colors.
Built dailies rolls go off to telecine, picture is telecined [to Digibeta that then is fed to Avid] or directly to Avid image files, sound is pulled off the original DVD-RAM disk referenced to the timecode running off the balance stripe on 35mm mag. Sound that is on the mag single stripe is ignored and never needed again. Telecine then delivers Avid drives to picture editorial. [we know AVID handles only 16 bit files]
This is the way it should happen but often sound as well as the timecode are going into the Avid off analog MAG as the telecine people do not want to deal with any new procedures or pay attention to establishing sync automatically [the DVD follows the Mag by TC only].
An in between solution would be that they are putting up the backup DATs in telecine and let that follow the Mag (slower cueing).
Either way, it still necessitates that Sound Editors (Pro-Tools)will have to conform picture editorial tracks, OMF or EDL, back to the original [24bit] DVD-RAM disks. This is no different than they old days of analog 1/4" Nagra tapes, it is just that with non-linear sound files generated by location DVD recorders it's much faster [and can sound better]. High time Avid catches up and learns to handle 24 bits, 48K. And 96K is pretty standard in music recording now (2002)!
The next step, of course, is "mag-less" dailies, which is a whole new issue (but here is where serious money can be saved). There are several methods that have been tried but all require substantially different procedures by the PICTURE editorial department.
This particular procedure has been used by Jeff Wexler on movies where the production wants to use MAG for projected film dailies.
There is still a lot to consider before you start a production recording
on DVD! Older DVD drives are not compatible with today's file formats.
Talk to everybody involved in the process or spend loads on fixing it
latter in post. Expect resistance to anything new. Also be aware it is
faster and easier for the picture editor to get ONE SIMPLE MONO WORK
TRACK. He will appreciate your skill and effort in delivering what's
least hassle to post. Dedicated editors will also appreciate the
multitrack versions you make for the Sound editors. Picture editors
usually just don't have the time to do a temp mix or even to select "1
good" track from 2 for a first cut. Besides you need ONE GOOD track for
dailies. Avids like SCII external drives for DEVA DVD disks.
Must read article in Mix magazine ("The Shipping News" By Tom Kenny,
Mix, Feb 1, 2002) spelling out the tour de force and many tedious work
arounds to just get 20 bits out of a final mix while using 16 and 24 in
parallel through post.
http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=141&releaseid=9828&magazinearticleid=139671&siteid=15
<http://industryclick.com/magazinearticle.asp?magazineid=141&releaseid=9828&magazinearticleid=139671&siteid=15>
Digital audio File Formats
What's Broadcast WAVE?: http://www.ebu.ch/pmc_bwf_ug.html
Translate DAT to WAV at 4x speed: http://www.ncf.ca/~aa571/dat2wav.htm
<http://www.ncf.ca/%7Eaa571/dat2wav.htm> explained in:
http://www.ncf.ca/~aa571/dat2wav.txt
<http://www.ncf.ca/%7Eaa571/dat2wav.txt>
Computer DAT drives that read audio DAT:
http://www.ncf.ca/~aa571/datfaq.htm <http://www.ncf.ca/%7Eaa571/datfaq.htm>
Ade Rixon - quite a lot of DAT info and links
http://www.btinternet.com/~big.bubbles/personal/ade/dat-dds/index.html
<http://www.btinternet.com/%7Ebig.bubbles/personal/ade/dat-dds/index.html>
DAT Studio - a UK based company selling a drive and software solution
for the MAC http://www.demon.co.uk/gallery/StudioDAT.html
DATlib - a library of source code for Solaris/Linux to do reading and
writing of DAT ftp://ftp.informatik.uni-erlangen.de/pub/DATlib/
DAT Goodies - a library of source code from SGI
http://reality.sgi.com/dscott/audio.apps/public_apps/DATgoodies1.5.tar.Z
Roo's Software - an Australian based company with a MAC tool
http://roo.emu.id.au/Software/DatAudio
DAT World http://perso.club-internet.fr/farzeno/edat.htm they sell
DAT/DDS drives http://www.mashek.com/
Sebesky Tools has a freeware app that converts BWF files to Quicktime
files. It preserves the TC stamp, and can be imported to the "correct"
place on the timeline. Follow the link:
http://www.dharmafilm.com/sebskytools/ for Mac only?
Here is a link to a BWF player from the EBU that displays the extra info
and plays BWF files gives tech info and sample files:
http://www.sr.se/utveckling/tu/bwf
The latest version of Cakewalk from Twelve Tone Systems uses bwf and
snaps to timeline.
Sequoia has features for importing audio to its time stamped position
for quick rebuilds of projects. Samplitude should be able to do the same
as well (for less money and a few missing features that you may or may
not need). -Ben I can get it to show the timecode start point in the
header, but I can't get it to display the running timecode. Billy.
Open the transport (button at the bottom of the screen or you can set up
a shortcut). Running code is shown there. Right click on sync or hit
the letter "G" and that puts you in the sync options menu. Make sure
sync is turned on. -Ben
If you are importing a BWF file, in the open file dialog, there is an
extended options button. In there, tell it to import to timestamped
position. Also, if you right click on an object there are a series of
object options. Find the Move/Edit Object menu and you'll see options for
object to original timestamped position (like Pro Tools Spot Mode), to
playcursor position, and to set a specified new time position (to change
the time stamp in the audio file)... I use this to rebuild sessions that
were started in Pro Tools all the time. Also in the session information
dialog, you can specify time code offsets there... (shortcut "I" then
click on Project Options button on the right)--Benjamin Maas
http://www.fifthcircle.com
Note hidden Avid command -- you type it into the console -- it is
called RenameMediaFiles, which gets you back your original DEVA names
in the AVID:
Hint from Frank Kruse, frank@wildtrax.de <mailto:frank@wildtrax.de>:
it's possible to use a tool called Titan that enables you to do an auto
conform from disk in ProTools. You load the 24bit BWF into ProTools and
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I hope this may help.....chris s.
coffey sound deva cheat sheet
<setting up the deva to record:>
1) press SHIFT + MODE (2), then with the F1 key select 1, 2, or 4 track
recording.
2) make sure AUTO LOAD is OFF. (F2)
3) set the PRERECORD for what you like, 0 - 10 seconds, for playback
purposes, select OFF with the F4 key.
4) while in this MODE MENU, press the MORE key. this will allow you to
toggle between analog and digital inputs. set 1-2, 3-4 to analog or digital
using F1 and F2.
5) while in this MODE MENU, press the MORE key one last time. set the inputs
to MIC or LINE level using F1 to F4 keys.
6) press SHIFT + HOME.
7) press SHIFT + SETUP (6), than select the proper sample rate with the F1
key, usually 48000K.
 press SHIFT + HOME.
9) press SHIFT + TIME CODE (ENT), and select the frame rate with the F4 key,
usually 30NDF.
10) set the time code by pressing the MORE key, and then simply enter the
time code with the numeric key pad, example: 09350000. when time is entered,
press JAM TC (F3) and this will read 09:35:00:00.
11) set the user bits the same way from this screen, but using the JAM UB
(F4).
then to record with the deva simply press REC or STOP accordingly. each time
REC and then STOP is pressed, a segment is created . to play back a specific
segment, press the desired segment number with the keypad and then press
CUE, and then PLAY.
<so you want to mirror...>
the deva allows for a copy or "mirror" of it's internal hard drive to dvd
ram via the deva's scsi port. the deva mirrors audio files, not actual
audio, so it is very important to understand what format your post facility
wants. the deva will write BWF.M, BWF.P, and SDII files, and in either 16
or 24 bit file widths.
* know this information before you mirror!
<to mirror a dvd:>
1) with power to the deva OFF, make your scsi connection from the deva to
the dvd ram drive with a scsi cable.
2) if your dvd burner has a scsi id, set it to id 4. if it is at any other
setting, the mirror will not work.
3) turn ON the dvd burner and insert a new dvd ram disk. wait about 15
seconds for the dvd burner to mount the dvd ram disk inside.
4) power ON the deva. wait for deva to display STOP or SCSI AUDIO DIFFERENT
MIRROR MODE DISABLED.
5) format the dvd by pressing SHIFT + SETUP. than press MORE. press F3
(ERASE SCSI,) than F4 to confirm format. deva will display "SCSI IS DONE"
when it has finished the format.
6) press SHIFT + SCSI. than press MORE. select the file type and width with
the F3 and F4 keys.
7) press MORE and select the segment to start mirroring by entering the
number with the keypad and press F4 to accept.
press F3 to start the mirror, than SHIFT + F1 (HOME.) the deva should
display REC and the number it is mirroring in the lower right of the
display.
9) when ever you power down the deva or are finished mirroring, take the
deva out of mirror by pressing SHIFT + SCSI then F3 until OFF MIRROR MODE is
displayed.
* in MIRROR, not TURBO, it is ok to use the deva to make recordings while
mirroring to dvd. in TURBO mode, you cannot interrupt the mirror process
with a deva recording.
<to playback or check audio on dvd:>
there are two ways to do this: first by playing back the audio, and
secondly, by checking the audio in the SHOW SEGMENT section.
method one:
1) after mirroring the audio, and from the HOME page, press SHIFT + SCSI.
2) press F1 to switch from INT DISK PLAY to EXT DISK PLAY.
3) press SHIFT + HOME and check to see that the pie shaped disk is spinning
in the lower right corner, not the upper left. if not, repeat these 3 steps
again.
4) select the segment you wish to play, (CUE + NUMBER,) then press PLAY.
audio should begin to play.
5) when you are finished playing back the audio, repeat these steps to
return deva to INT DISK PLAY.
method two:
1) while in EXT DISK PLAY, and from the HOME page, press SHIFT + F4.
2) press F3 ( SHOW SEG.)
3) use INC or DEC to scroll through the segments recorded. timecode, user
bits, length, sample rate, and number of tracks are displayed. when
finished, press SHIFT + HOME., and return deva to INT DISK PLAY.
<to set up cue points for playback:>
1) after recording your audio, first press SHIFT + F4 from the HOME page.
than press F4. next press F3. Lastly, press SHIFT + HOME to exit. this sets
up the deva for recording cues.
2) from the home page press SHIFT + CUE.
3) playback audio on disk, and at the desired cuepoint press STOP.
4) press MARK CUE (F1) to select cue point.
5) name the cue number by entering it with the keypad, usually starting with
1 and increasing by one each time. 1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9.... press CUR CUE (F3)
to number the cue.
6) press STORE CUE to save cue. deva will display "IT IS DONE."
7) press PLAY to continue.
repeat this process until all cue points are entered.
<to playback cues:>
1) make sure you are in the SHIFT + CUE page.
2) select the desired cue point to playback with the numeric keypad.
3) press CUR CUE (F3) to load cue point.
4) press PLAY to begin current cue play. disk will not stop after cue is
finished so it is necessary to press STOP when cue is finished.
5) repeat steps for all cuepoints.
hint: this also works while in PLAY mode if you can do it fast enough. to
instantly replay a playing cue press the CUE button (not SHIFT + CUE)
* to adjust the display contrast, from the home page press SHIFT + INC or
SHIFT + DEC to increase or decrease contrast respectively.
* if there is ever a problem with the deva it is possible to reboot it like
a home computer. to do this power the deva OFF. press and hold the MORE key
while turning the deva ON, and continue to hold for 5 seconds after the deva
is powered up. the display will show a quick set menu. ignore this and press
SHIFT + HOME. this will change deva's settings to the factory defaults, so
this may effect some of your settings, so go through the setup again, and
check all of your settings.
call me with any questions
at coffey sound
323-876-7525 office
chris silverman
"Frank Kruse" <frank@wildtrax.de> wrote in message
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Quote: www.zaxcom.com
"Josss" <jstadeVOUDLA@free.fr> wrote in message
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Hello all,
I will soon begin to record a show with deva II and this will be the
first
time I 'll use it. So if somenone have a link for Deva II manual I would
enjoy it very much (especially if it's french.... cause i'm french). I
don't
find it on the web. Any suggestions and tips will be welcome too.
Thanks to all and long life to this list
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Thanks Chris,
This would help me a lot on the set, quick reference manual  ) I'll print
this and keep it during the shoot. Thanks too for your contact at coffey
sound but I'm french and working in France... so a little bit complicated to
deal with you )
so long
Jocelyn
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Quote: I hope this may help.....chris s.
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