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Charles Tomaras

Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 10:41 am

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"shooter" <shooter@comcast.net> wrote in message
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\ The TSA has added a half hour to each trip I take, big

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deal.

Actually if you are working network news shoots the extra time is money in
the bank! "We have to be at the airport 2 hours before the flight now."

G. John Garrett, CAS

Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:29 pm

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Steve King wrote:

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"Eric Toline" <Audioetc@webtv.net> wrote in message
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Re: Traveling with sound gear

Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, May 4, 2004, 11:35am
(EDT-1) From: steve@REMOVETHISSPAMBLOCKsteveking.net (Steve King)
"G. John Garrett, CAS" <jgarrett@world.std.comREMOVE> wrote in

The conceit here is that the TSA is not in business to admit that most
of those people will never be motivated to deploy those tools in a
lethal manner, they're there for the show.

And, your solution is????

Steve King

.....something that would be considered off topic by a mile.

John

griffin richardson

Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 9:09 pm

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Quote:

Ty, I have also done some flying recently and I have to agree with the
guys about using Pelican cases. I packed most of my gear in a 1600
and 1620 pelican. I have two K-tek poles a 9' and 13' pole. I put
the 9' in the 1620 diagonaly (spelling) and the 12' model in my
camerman's hardshell tripod case.
I took my SD 442 in Protabrace with 4 Lectro's sets and 2 lavs in it
as a carry on, as well as a small bag with magazines, snacks, Palm
pilot, ect... This worked well for me through Akron/Canton,
Cleveland, Atlanta, O'hare, and Vegas with no issues. The only
problem I had was that they confiscated the blade out of my old safety
razor, which is actually permitted in a carry on according to the TSA
web site. Nevermind the crapload of RF equipment !!!!

Good Luck
Rob Lewis

SHADOWSND

Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:42 pm

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I recently had the unpleasant experience of checking in 6 cases to Santa
Domingo from MIA. 2 of the cases were overweight. One over 70 lbs and one over
100 lbs. The 110 pounder was a new custom anvil case made for my digital video
assist system with rack mounted components (it didn't seem that heavy when I
loaded it into my van).. American Airlines absolutely would not allow a case
over 100 lbs on the plane. Hence, I had to try and disassemble it at 6am at the
counter with a mini-leatherman that I had on my key chain. I bought a box and
filled it with the extra weight. Fortunately, I arrived early enough to get
through the hassle and made the flight.

All the best,

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John B., Indianapolis

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:28 am

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When possible, ship the gear ahead of time -- separately from the
airlines. That's what several companies that I work with do for
Discovery, etc.

John B., Indianapolis

griffin richardson wrote:

Quote:

I've noticed that most responses were regarding ENG shoots.
What about a feature package? Any advice on how to deal with
the cart, or the block batteries (sealed lead-acid in a pelican, small
but really heavy)?
I'm dealing with a low-budget feature and want to make sure I know
what all
my options are. Travelling between New York and Phoenix.

I've been reading this group for quite a while, and the arguments are
almost as interesting as the information is.

thanks in advance,

griffin

Ty, I have also done some flying recently and I have to agree with the
guys about using Pelican cases. I packed most of my gear in a 1600
and 1620 pelican. I have two K-tek poles a 9' and 13' pole. I put
the 9' in the 1620 diagonaly (spelling) and the 12' model in my
camerman's hardshell tripod case.
I took my SD 442 in Protabrace with 4 Lectro's sets and 2 lavs in it
as a carry on, as well as a small bag with magazines, snacks, Palm
pilot, ect... This worked well for me through Akron/Canton,
Cleveland, Atlanta, O'hare, and Vegas with no issues. The only
problem I had was that they confiscated the blade out of my old safety
razor, which is actually permitted in a carry on according to the TSA
web site. Nevermind the crapload of RF equipment !!!!

Good Luck
Rob Lewis

Noah Timan

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 3:55 pm

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referencetone@yahoo.com (griffin richardson) wrote in message news:<94133d90.0405101909.79d7b94f@posting.google.com>...

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Hey Griffin,

A feature package on a plane is basically a nightmare. One good
option is packing and loading a cargo container and putting that on
the plane, but only specific flights use planes that carry the right
size containers, and the whole thing is pretty expensive. On a very
low-budget project it is probably not a viable option.

None of the other options are very good. You can check everything (if
your cart can be disassembled and packed -- I don't know what you
use), but it will be a lot of money and a lot of work to prep and pack
everything to be baggage-handler-proof. Most airlines will charge for
both the number of pieces over the limit (usually two or three) and
per pound for each piece over fifty pounds. (A few airlines still let
you do seventy.) Hitting about $1K in luggage overcharge is not out
of the question for a cart and seven or eight well-packed heavy cases,
plus boom poles, cables, accessories, blah blah blah.

In addition, I remember a discussion here a while back about whether
or not it was even allowed that compressed-gas batteries are allowed
on flights and/or pose a safety hazard, but I can't remember what we
came up with. I'd look into this factor before bringing your pelican
lead acids to the airport. Even if it is safe, it might be cheaper
anyway just to have production buy you a car or boat battery out in
Phoenix and throw it in a Pelican case, rather than pay excess baggage
fees on a forty-pound battery both ways.

You can also ship everything with someone like UPS or FedEx, but it's
still not terribly cheap and still very hard on your stuff. If you do
this, try to get the cheapest air shipping rather than ground -- UPS
Ground is notorious for beating the hell out of packages, and it'll be
a lot of disgruntled UPS guys tossing your heavy cases from truck to
truck from here to Phoenix.

Another thing to think about is renting the cheaper, heavier, bulkier
things from a more local source (carts, batteries, etc) and just
carrying the key pieces. A recorder, mixer, quad box, and set of
microphones is a lot easier to travel with than a sound cart and two
block batteries, and commands much more of the kit budget.

I did a number of pictures out in Michigan and Kentucky some years
back and I found -- after trying variations on the above possibilities
-- that the easiest thing to do is drive. Granted, those places are
much closer than Phoenix, but it just made the most sense -- amongst
the least expensive of the options and certainly the least stressful
on the gear. Maybe you can get production to hire a driver if there's
someone going from here to there.

Regards,

Noah Timan

(working email is my name at earth link)

Peter

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:57 pm

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After trying many different shipping methods to send a feature package,
I find the cheapest and most practical is with a service like DBA
(Distribution By Air) who comes to your house, shrink-wraps your
equipment on a palette (or two) and trucks or airfreights it to your
production's loading area. It comes out to less than a dollar per pound,
better than airline excess baggage, plus it's door-to-door and you can
leave your cart built and ship items of any size or shape. Plus, the
chanceof damage is reduced by the equipment being bundled together
rather than loose.
If you really have to save money, give them a week and they charge less.
Also, you can forgo the extra liftgate charge. Most of the trucks have
them anyway. And they bill and insure.
Peter

In article <cd345c55.0405111355.10341f12@posting.google.com>,
this_isnot_it@yahoo.com (Noah Timan) wrote:

Quote:

referencetone@yahoo.com (griffin richardson) wrote in message
news:<94133d90.0405101909.79d7b94f@posting.google.com>...
I've noticed that most responses were regarding ENG shoots.
What about a feature package? Any advice on how to deal with
the cart, or the block batteries (sealed lead-acid in a pelican, small
but really heavy)?
I'm dealing with a low-budget feature and want to make sure I know
what all
my options are. Travelling between New York and Phoenix.

Hey Griffin,

A feature package on a plane is basically a nightmare. One good
option is packing and loading a cargo container and putting that on
the plane, but only specific flights use planes that carry the right
size containers, and the whole thing is pretty expensive. On a very
low-budget project it is probably not a viable option.

David Waelder

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:02 pm

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On 5/10/04 8:09 PM, in article
94133d90.0405101909.79d7b94f@posting.google.com, "griffin richardson"
<referencetone@yahoo.com> wrote:

Quote:

If you are working with a feature package of gear, I strongly recommend that
you work with a professional expediting company. Let me supply you with the
names and phone numbers of some reputable companies here in LA. Of course,
you would require a company in New York but some of these outfits are
international with offices in different cities. In any event, the LA company
could provide you with an affiliate or associate company in New York.

Behind the Scenes
Contact: Geoff Abadee 818-344-9287

Rock-It Cargo USA
Contact: Dan Preston 310-410-0935
800-973-1-LAX

Target Logistic Services
Contact: Debbie Robers 310-900-1974 ext. 212

Rock-It Cargo also maintains a website:
http://www.rockitcargo.com/home/index.html

Carnet preparation software is available from their website. (Although I
suppose that you don't actually need a Carnet to travel to Arizona. Texas,
maybe.)

These outfits can handle most anything you might care to bring with you.
Shipping a 1000 amp generator is entirely within their capabilities and not
even an unusual request. Of course, you do pay by the pound. They can also
provide advice on what can safely be shipped, how it must be packed, etc.
Certain pressurized items, like Dust-off, really should be acquired locally
but they can handle batteries and make certain that they are shipped
appropriately and within the law. Shipments may be broken up and innocuous
items sent on regular passenger flights while restricted cargo might be
confined to designated cargo flights. And, of course, they take
responsibility for making certain that everything arrives as it should. They
routinely handle instruments for concerts and other timely events. It's not
a cheap service and you may very well find that the cost is nearly as
expensive as excess baggage charges. (At a guess, I would expect a feature
package of gear to be about $600 - $1000 each way between New York and
Phoenix.) But the peace of mind is well worth it.

I have not had good experiences trying to rent components like sound carts
on location. I recommend finding a way to pack the cart and ship it. You
might leave the cast iron boom poles at home but bring everything that is
necessary to do a proper job.

The TSA maintains a website with information about items permissible or
banned in cabins:

http://www.TSATravelTips.us

If you use a freight expediter, this information will only be applicable to
your safety razor and other personal effects. And that's as it should be.

David Waelder

Mike Westgate AMPS

Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 8:22 pm

Guest

A good post Noah!

Some years ago I suffered the real nightmare.

I spent 6 weeks in Normandy - France working on a feature.
The stockmarket crashed, the production company started to
go belly up and we flew back to New Zealand.
I had delivered my cases, booms, cart etc up to Paris
to return it by air freight.

One month later the production company phones, we're going
back to Paris for 1 week in a studio then down to Bordeaux.
We have not got the time or money for a carnet or freight
so we've agreed with the airline that they get it up to Paris
and then it will be cleared by customs there.

We board a flight to New York but fly through Hawaai.
First point of call in the USA- offload everything.
Customs ask what all this stuff - I explain.
Sorry buddy it goes into bond here in Hawaii.

I arrive in Paris, no gear to start a shoot.
The production office try to find it, no airway bill or reference.
Mike, we've phoned everywhere and do not know where it is.
It's somewhere between New Zealand and France.

I will not bore you with the rset but I found some equipment
through a friend in Paris (pretty old stuff with handmade winshields).

The joys of international travel!!!!

Mike
www.mikewestgatesound.webnz.co.nz

Guest

Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 4:06 am

"David Waelder" <davidwaeshades@earthlink.net> wrote in
message

Quote:

Behind the Scenes
Contact: Geoff Abadee 818-344-9287

Rock-It Cargo USA
Contact: Dan Preston 310-410-0935
800-973-1-LAX

Target Logistic Services
Contact: Debbie Robers 310-900-1974 ext. 212

Rock-It Cargo also maintains a website:
http://www.rockitcargo.com/home/index.html

Hi Group,

For those of us that have Feature packs..

Only one way to go... Dave has it right (use his links)

Find a shipping agent use to film production... They will
pick it up, cart it, and drop it off...

If out of the country, Try ( Arrow Air) Caribbean Make sure
production gets a custom broker.

In country figure $1000.00 bucks each way... (Xcross U.S.)

Carry on: a mic and recorder

Sincerely

Ron Scelza CAS

http://www.hollywood-911.com/film/ron.htm

"David Waelder" <davidwaeshades@earthlink.net> wrote in
message news:BCC6C5C8.21EF%davidwaeshades@earthlink.net...

Quote:

On 5/10/04 8:09 PM, in article
94133d90.0405101909.79d7b94f@posting.google.com, "griffin
richardson"
referencetone@yahoo.com> wrote:

I've noticed that most responses were regarding ENG
shoots.
What about a feature package? Any advice on how to deal
with
the cart, or the block batteries (sealed lead-acid in a
pelican, small
but really heavy)?
I'm dealing with a low-budget feature and want to make
sure I know
what all
my options are.

If you are working with a feature package of gear, I
strongly recommend that
you work with a professional expediting company. Let me
supply you with the
names and phone numbers of some reputable companies here
in LA. Of course,
you would require a company in New York but some of these
outfits are
international with offices in different cities. In any
event, the LA company
could provide you with an affiliate or associate company
in New York.

Behind the Scenes
Contact: Geoff Abadee 818-344-9287

Rock-It Cargo USA
Contact: Dan Preston 310-410-0935
800-973-1-LAX

Target Logistic Services
Contact: Debbie Robers 310-900-1974 ext. 212

Rock-It Cargo also maintains a website:
http://www.rockitcargo.com/home/index.html

Carnet preparation software is available from their
website. (Although I
suppose that you don't actually need a Carnet to travel to
Arizona. Texas,
maybe.)

These outfits can handle most anything you might care to
bring with you.
Shipping a 1000 amp generator is entirely within their
capabilities and not
even an unusual request. Of course, you do pay by the
pound. They can also
provide advice on what can safely be shipped, how it must
be packed, etc.
Certain pressurized items, like Dust-off, really should be
acquired locally
but they can handle batteries and make certain that they
are shipped
appropriately and within the law. Shipments may be broken
up and innocuous
items sent on regular passenger flights while restricted
cargo might be
confined to designated cargo flights. And, of course, they
take
responsibility for making certain that everything arrives
as it should. They
routinely handle instruments for concerts and other timely
events. It's not
a cheap service and you may very well find that the cost
is nearly as
expensive as excess baggage charges. (At a guess, I would
expect a feature
package of gear to be about $600 - $1000 each way between
New York and
Phoenix.) But the peace of mind is well worth it.

I have not had good experiences trying to rent components
like sound carts
on location. I recommend finding a way to pack the cart
and ship it. You
might leave the cast iron boom poles at home but bring
everything that is
necessary to do a proper job.

The TSA maintains a website with information about items
permissible or
banned in cabins:

http://www.TSATravelTips.us

If you use a freight expediter, this information will only
be applicable to
your safety razor and other personal effects. And that's
as it should be.

David Waelder

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