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| Glenn Sanders |
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The market for 8cm disks seems to be focusing on non cartridge type,
DVD-R and DVD-RW. Of all of the new camcorders that are out or coming
out I don't think any of them accept the cartridge type disks that go
in the PD6.
The Deva IV and V will accept any type of external Fire wire disk that
is connected. 12cm DVD disks are the recommended media.
While a 8cm non cartridge type disk could be used with the Deva in a
multi drive, I know of no reason to do so as no one would pay more
money to record less audio and spread a days worth of recording across
several disks. Also take into account the fact that a production would
have to stop to reload disks with this smaller 8cm format vs a 12cm
disk that can hold a full day of recording on one if not both sides.
I am certain that not one Deva, Aaton or HHB owner will choose this
8cm media for all the above reasons.
Lets also remember that in the case of the PD6 the media has to be
removed from its carrier to play it back in post. Doing this makes
keeping track of the disks a nightmare for post on larger productions.
Due to the limited use of the cartridge type 8cm disks in the consumer
world, the lack of any widely available drive that can play them
without removing the media from its cartridge, high price and low
storage capability. I would expect that they will have a very limited
run.
I think the future is bright for 8cm DVD-R and DVD-RW without the
cartridge for camcorder use. 8cm non cartridge DVD-RAM will be around
for a while but the preference in the consumer world seems to be away
from this media.
Best wishes,
Glenn |
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| John Coffey |
| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 12:48 pm |
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I am glad that Mr. Trew agrees with me and he's right about keeping
discussions fair and balanced. Nothing should be glossed over.....
Yes, It would be very wise to keep a sharp eye towards the future before
making a purchase. No one wants to own gear that becomes a boat anchor
in 3 years!
Very soon, when all the players are in the game, it would be excellent
to have an open shoot-out discussion of the pros and cons of each
recorder. We already have here: JP from Aaton, Sanders from Zaxcom,
Isaacs from HHB, Jon & Matt from Sound Devices, and I'm sure someone can
speak on Fostex and Nagra's behalf.
No shades of grey. Speak openly in one long thread...so we all can make
our own opinions from heads-up comparisons of which features are most
important to be poised to stand up to the ineveitable future demands.
It may be an eye opener.
John Coffey C.A.S.
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| Charles Tomaras |
| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 1:29 pm |
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"Glenn Sanders" <gs@zaxcom.com> wrote in message
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Quote: The market for 8cm disks seems to be focusing on non cartridge type,
DVD-R and DVD-RW. Of all of the new camcorders that are out or coming
out I don't think any of them accept the cartridge type disks that go
in the PD6.
Maybe fostex needs to come up with a cartridge caddy for stand alone discs. |
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| =Rob€rto |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:40 am |
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On Sun, 9 May 2004 11:48:59 -0700, coffeyman@webtv.net (John Coffey)
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Quote: Very soon, when all the players are in the game, it would be excellent
to have an open shoot-out discussion of the pros and cons of each
recorder. We already have here: JP from Aaton, Sanders from Zaxcom,
Isaacs from HHB, Jon & Matt from Sound Devices, and I'm sure someone can
speak on Fostex and Nagra's behalf.
No shades of grey. Speak openly in one long thread...so we all can make
our own opinions from heads-up comparisons of which features are most
important to be poised to stand up to the ineveitable future demands.
There are no shades or grey if you ask me.. Most mfg's keep a nice
distance from usergroups that are on the internet & You can find
almost all information about these new recorders on their websites.
Quote: It may be an eye opener.
It already is. The only mfg discussion I've seen here was everything
but a success, ( quelle surprise ) and i think that most of the mfg's
here lurking are everything but interested in these ''discussions''
with mainly one mfg.
R
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| William Sarokin |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 12:00 pm |
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I for one wish that more manufacturers were as forthcoming as Zaxcom. Take
Schoeps for instance. There's been a lot of discussion regarding Schoeps
mics and susceptibility to rfi and humidity. I wish someone from Schopes
had responded to some of the discussions. Most of the posts were either 'I
never have humidty problems with my Schoeps' or 'I always have humidy
problems'. If I were a manufacturer I would want to clear up the issue as
much as possible. I'm not sure why they chose not to. I assume many other
manufacturers follow this group. I know the going can get rough but I think
in the long run, manufacturer posts can be very helpful to all the users.
Billy |
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| =Rob€rto |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 12:35 pm |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:00:49 GMT, "William Sarokin"
<bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: I know the going can get rough but I think
in the long run, manufacturer posts can be very helpful to all the users.
Well, there is of course a difference on the sort of postings mfg's
do. Lectro is indeed doing a great job here.
R
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| William Sarokin |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 12:53 pm |
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"=Rob?rto" <schand@paal.com> wrote in message> Well, there is of course a
difference on the sort of postings mfg's
Quote: do. Lectro is indeed doing a great job here.
Agreed, but I appreciate any manufacturers postings, whether it's an
announcement of a new product, defense of their product, or technical info.
Most of our postings concern their equipment and the way we use it. If
Sanken or Countryman came onboard and said 'always tie a knot in the cable
near the head', or 'never tie a knot...' It would benefit us all. And if
Sanken and Countryman disagreed and got into their own discussion that would
also benefit us. |
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| =Rob€rto |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:31 pm |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:53:57 GMT, "William Sarokin"
<bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote:
Quote: Agreed, but I appreciate any manufacturers postings, whether it's an
announcement of a new product, defense of their product, or technical info.
Well, I don't. I've seen enough ''information"' posted here ( facts
and lot of fiction ) to conclude that it is all up to the mfg
itself to respect the users of all & other gear. Almost all do.
Some don't, and that keeps the rest of the mfg's out.
R
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| William Sarokin |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 1:57 pm |
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If they post fiction they get called on it very quickly. I think the
manufacturers keep out at their own risk. After the recent threads
discussing the humidty problems with Schoeps mics I'm sure many people who
follow this board decided against purchasing Schoeps. I think the Schoeps
company made a mistake in not posting to that thread. I find it hard to
blame Zaxcom for that. If they don't want to post directly, they can post
through one of their dealers. There are many ways. Rick Cannata from
Fostex is often quoted (and greatly missed). If any manufacturers don't
post because they're being 'kept out' by the posts of other manufacturesr
then I'd say they are a bit thin skinned. The most heated discussions I've
seen here among manufacturers have been between Lectrosonics and Zaxcom, yet
both of them (fortunately) still post here regularly.
For all the BS that floats around RAMPS, it is still an very valuable
resource for both mixers, students and manufacturers.
Billy Sarokin
"=Rob?rto" <schand@paal.com> wrote in message
news:jilv901arq2jfgrit4ft0jombgmsk3t6rn@4ax.com...
Quote: On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:53:57 GMT, "William Sarokin"
bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote:
Agreed, but I appreciate any manufacturers postings, whether it's an
announcement of a new product, defense of their product, or technical
info.
Well, I don't. I've seen enough ''information"' posted here ( facts
and lot of fiction ) to conclude that it is all up to the mfg
itself to respect the users of all & other gear. Almost all do.
Some don't, and that keeps the rest of the mfg's out.
R
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| Eric Toline |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:32 pm |
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Re: Stuff I saw at NAB
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Mon, May 10, 2004, 9:31pm
(EDT+6) From: schand@paal.com (=Rob€rto)
On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:53:57 GMT, "William Sarokin"
<bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote:
Agreed, but I appreciate any manufacturers postings, whether it's an
announcement of a new product, defense of their product, or technical
info.
Well, I don't. I've seen enough ''information"' posted here ( facts and
lot of fiction ) to conclude that it is all up to the mfg itself to
respect the users of all & other gear. Almost all do. Some don't, and
that keeps the rest of the mfg's out.
R<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
You're just too thin skinned. A good argument (or discussion if you
will) clears the air and gets the blood pumping.
OTOH it could be just a cultural diffrence in that you may just not be
use to the American style of self promotion.
Eric |
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| Glen Trew |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 5:41 pm |
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"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn Sanders" <gs@zaxcom.com> wrote in message
news:27b5dc17.0405090557.424e191@posting.google.com...
The market for 8cm disks seems to be focusing on non cartridge type,
DVD-R and DVD-RW. Of all of the new camcorders that are out or coming
out I don't think any of them accept the cartridge type disks that go
in the PD6.
Maybe fostex needs to come up with a cartridge caddy for stand alone
discs.
It already exists. It costs about $10, and comes with a free starter disc.
On that subject, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be better for the location
mixer to remove the disk themselves, and ship it off in a standard DVD jewel
box. After all, this is the way DVD-Rs will be sent. This way plenty of 8CM
disc covers will be collected, which means that bare 8CM disks can be bought
and then put in the cover before putting it into the PD-6.
Glen Trew |
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| =Rob€rto |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:11 pm |
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On Mon, 10 May 2004 16:32:39 -0400, Audioetc@webtv.net (Eric Toline)
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Quote: You're just too thin skinned. A good argument (or discussion if you
will) clears the air and gets the blood pumping.
I'm not here to discuss the quality of other soundmixers.
Quote: OTOH it could be just a cultural diffrence in that you may just not be
use to the American style of self promotion.
No way. This has nothing to do with culture, over here you also have
these type of people running around.
R
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| Frank Kruse |
| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:15 am |
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what the hell does "mfg" mean?
frank.
=Rob?rto <schand@paal.com> wrote in message news:<jilv901arq2jfgrit4ft0jombgmsk3t6rn@4ax.com>...
Quote: On Mon, 10 May 2004 18:53:57 GMT, "William Sarokin"
bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote:
Agreed, but I appreciate any manufacturers postings, whether it's an
announcement of a new product, defense of their product, or technical info.
Well, I don't. I've seen enough ''information"' posted here ( facts
and lot of fiction ) to conclude that it is all up to the mfg
itself to respect the users of all & other gear. Almost all do.
Some don't, and that keeps the rest of the mfg's out.
R |
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| Eric Toline |
| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 6:20 am |
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Re: Stuff I saw at NAB
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, May 11, 2004, 4:15am
(EDT-3) From: frank@wildtrax.de (Frank Kruse)
what the hell does "mfg" mean?
frank.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
It's the abbreviation for manufacturer.
Eric |
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