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| Smartsound |
 Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 8:08 pm |
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What is the longest you have heard of a 416 or any other shotgun lasting
planted outside, gathering sound 24/7, unprotected from the elements except for
maybe a zepplin? Anyone plant one for months and have it continue to work?
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| William Sarokin |
| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 8:51 pm |
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As long as it can be kept from getting soaked it should work until it's
stolen (and then it will continue to work, but for someone else).
Billy
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Quote: What is the longest you have heard of a 416 or any other shotgun lasting
planted outside, gathering sound 24/7, unprotected from the elements
except for
maybe a zepplin? Anyone plant one for months and have it continue to
work?
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| Eric Toline |
| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 9:27 pm |
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416 torture test?
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Mon, May 10, 2004, 2:08am
(EDT+4) From: smartsound@aol.com (Smartsound)
What is the longest you have heard of a 416 or any other shotgun lasting
planted outside, gathering sound 24/7, unprotected from the elements
except for maybe a zepplin? Anyone plant one for months and have it
continue to work?
Thanks <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
8-MKH 70's. 12 weeks during Dec 2002, Jan & Feb 2003 for a reality tv
show shot here in Florida. No zepps. No problems.
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| Dave Liquorice |
| Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 10:19 pm |
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On 10 May 2004 02:08:04 GMT, Smartsound wrote:
Quote: What is the longest you have heard of a 416 or any other shotgun
lasting planted outside, gathering sound 24/7, unprotected from the
elements except for maybe a zepplin?
As some has said until it's stolen. You are more likely to have
problems with any cable joints getting damp than the mic failing IMHO.
Of course it does depend a bit on what the conditions are like, is
this a tropical rain forest with 100% humidity 24/7 or just "normal"
weather with the odd rain shower or short downpour with time for
everything to dry out in between?
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Cheers new5pam@howhill.com
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| Dave Liquorice |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 8:04 am |
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On 10 May 2004 16:35:08 GMT, Smartsound wrote:
Quote: The mics will be exposed to golf course conditions here in Southern
California.
So hot and dry rather than cold and damp. B-)
Quote: Now the question. What do you think the longest mic level cable
could be under these conditions that will provide acceptable FX
sound gathering?
As long a bit in one length that you can get your hands on, not the
tiddly 50m or 100m drums cable is normally sold on. See if you can get
1000m lengths. Pluggable joints will be the weak point, poor contacts
(over time) making nice diode detectors for any stray RF floating
about.
As this is such a long term project any joints I'd solder, insulate
with adhesive lined heatshrink and overall wrap with a few layers of
self amalgamating tape extending at least a couple of inches from the
outer sleeve ends.
Other problems may be from induced sources, powerlines or big
transmitters nearby. Local thunderstorms might produce big enough
spikes to damage electronic front ends, real transformers are your
friend.
As for length 500m (1600') shouldn't be a problem that sort of
distance is routine on OBs over here. With decent heavy gauge starquad
cable I doubt you'll notice the top loss until you are at a few
kilometers (couple of miles or more). But I suspect that induced noise
will be problem though.
Does any one make a phantom powered level raiser? Just 20 or 30dB of
gain would push the noise down by that much.
Another thought are there a couple of places you can get power on the
course? Run a multi or two to those locations, have some level raising
kit there and the run relatively short lengths of single to the mics.
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Cheers new5pam@howhill.com
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| Smartsound |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 10:35 am |
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Thanks All!,
One more question, but first more info:
The mics will be exposed to golf course conditions here in Southern California.
They will be in the elements 24/7 for approx. 6 months. They should require
very little maintainance and have some zepplin-like protection so as not to get
directly hit from sprinklers and rain and there will be a lot of them.
Waterproof Neutriks and Canare Quadstar cable.
Now the question. What do you think the longest mic level cable could be under
these conditions that will provide acceptable FX sound gathering? |
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| Oleg Kaizerman |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 10:46 am |
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do you have ac near the mike place , if so, small preamp near the mike will
give you enough to run very long line level cables
for mike level I ran about 150 feet without any problem
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Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
"Smartsound" <smartsound@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote: Thanks All!,
One more question, but first more info:
The mics will be exposed to golf course conditions here in Southern
California.
They will be in the elements 24/7 for approx. 6 months. They should
require
very little maintainance and have some zepplin-like protection so as not
to get
directly hit from sprinklers and rain and there will be a lot of them.
Waterproof Neutriks and Canare Quadstar cable.
Now the question. What do you think the longest mic level cable could be
under
these conditions that will provide acceptable FX sound gathering?
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| Eric Toline |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 11:03 am |
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Re: 416 torture test?
Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Mon, May 10, 2004, 4:35pm
(EDT+4) From: smartsound@aol.com (Smartsound)
Thanks All!,
Now the question. What do you think the longest mic level cable could be
under these conditions that will provide acceptable FX sound gathering?
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Like Oleg said, if you can put a preamp with 48v phantom near them you
can run lines forever.
In my case 250-350ft to the mixer was no problem. We also ran Shure
PZM/boundry layer mics through 400-500+ft of cable & snake.
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| Laurent Mollard |
| Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:06 pm |
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William Sarokin wrote:
416 is very resistant!
For me it always worked. Just one day under snow and rain all the day
under the rycotte.....but the mixer stopped before the mike !!!!
See you
Laurent
Quote: As long as it can be kept from getting soaked it should work until it's
stolen (and then it will continue to work, but for someone else).
Billy
"Smartsound" <smartsound@aol.com> wrote in message
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What is the longest you have heard of a 416 or any other shotgun lasting
planted outside, gathering sound 24/7, unprotected from the elements
except for
maybe a zepplin? Anyone plant one for months and have it continue to
work?
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| Bernardo Six Costa |
| Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 12:10 am |
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smartsound@aol.com (Smartsound) wrote in message news:<20040510123508.13396.00000244@mb-m06.aol.com>...
They should require
Quote: very little maintainance and ...
They require whatever happens to them to be fixed...:)thatīs the
amount of maintenance!
We obviously take precautions and antecipate.
regards,
Bernardo Six Costa
www.bsc-filmsoundportugal.com |
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| Dave Liquorice |
| Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 7:26 am |
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On Fri, 14 May 2004 16:39:41 GMT, Marty wrote:
Quote: If you're going to put out "a lot" of mics (How many, how far
apart?) To cover the range of each hole from each Tee?
Even at just tees and greens you looking at 36 mics for a golf
course... 54 with just one fairway mic per hole...
Quote: 3. Use condoms on the mics under the Zep's for added weather
protection (order them long, thin, unlubed, untextured, and smile).
Not so sure, any condensation due to air temp variations (aka, dew)
isn't going to be able to dry off through a condom.
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| Marty |
| Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 10:39 am |
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That's an interesting project.
If you're going to put out "a lot" of mics (How many, how far apart?)
To cover the range of each hole from each Tee?
Will they feed to a central position? How far away will that be?
That's A LOT of cable. Will it all be run above ground?
My first suggestions would be:
1. Consider other mics. How wide an area do you want a single mic to
cover? While the 416 has a narrow high-mid to high freq. pickup pattern,
it is much wider from the low-mid's and down. Thus, the low end ambient
noise typically masks useable distant audio. Other suggestions - CS3e,
CS-1 (both are spec'd & tested at 100% humidity).
2. Use as few connectors as possible, as they will be your first
problem. Weather proof any connectors you must use.
3. Use condoms on the mics under the Zep's for added weather protection
(order them long, thin, unlubed, untextured, and smile).
4. Set up "hubs", located near available AC power points. Put preamps
there in a weatherproof box, then run multipar to wherever.
Even Better:
At the hubs, you could convert the audio to Cobranet (digital Ethernet
network). You can get codecs that contain mic pre's with phantom power
(can also include remote control capabilities and dynamics processing if
you desire) that multiplex 32 or 64 channels of audio on to a single,
thin, armored CAT5 cable up to 328 feet, or fiber up to 6560 feet, or
even an optical wireless link. Each codec can contribute any number of
channels to total 32 or 64 on a single network cable, so you could daisy
chain from one to the next.
Let me know if you would like more info.
Marty Atias
ATS Communications
Smartsound wrote:
Quote: Thanks All!,
One more question, but first more info:
The mics will be exposed to golf course conditions here in Southern California.
They will be in the elements 24/7 for approx. 6 months. They should require
very little maintainance and have some zepplin-like protection so as not to get
directly hit from sprinklers and rain and there will be a lot of them.
Waterproof Neutriks and Canare Quadstar cable.
Now the question. What do you think the longest mic level cable could be under
these conditions that will provide acceptable FX sound gathering?
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