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Melquiades

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:00 pm

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The Passion at #1, by a margin of $7M+...

Care to take back any of the smug comments, Derek?

Mike B.

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:15 pm

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Melquiades wrote:

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The Passion at #1, by a margin of $7M+...

Care to take back any of the smug comments, Derek?

Nah, that's not Derek's style. You know the type...the type that can
never admit they're wrong and will always come up with some illogical
rationalization why they're still correct. Trust me, you'd be better
just kill filing him.

Melquiades

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:05 pm

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In article <4079a9bf$0$27679$61fed72c@news.rcn.com>, Derek Janssen <djanss@rcn.com> wrote:

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Melquiades wrote:

The Passion at #1, by a margin of $7M+...

Care to take back any of the smug comments, Derek?

What, you mean the one about the school buses, the one about it spending
itself out AFTER Easter week, or the one of how it sure as heck wasn't a
$7M margin at the *beginning* of the weekend?... Smile

No, one I had in mind was your suggestion that you had "Noted, logged, and
Google-dated for future humiliation" my prediction that The Passion would
reclaim the top spot.

Derek Janssen

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:14 pm

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Melquiades wrote:

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The Passion at #1, by a margin of $7M+...

Care to take back any of the smug comments, Derek?

What, you mean the one about the school buses, the one about it spending
itself out AFTER Easter week, or the one of how it sure as heck wasn't a
$7M margin at the *beginning* of the weekend?... :)

Derek Janssen
djanss@rcn.com

Corse

Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 10:18 pm

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"Melquiades" <clay.c@nospam.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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The Passion at #1, by a margin of $7M+...

Care to take back any of the smug comments, Derek?

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My unsolicited view is that movie going has become such a marginal activity
that when any significant group decides as a group (whether that group is
adolescent males or born again Christians) to see a film, the film becomes
a hit, by today's standards at any rate. That doesn't mean that a majority
of the people in the country have seen it or will see it but rather that it
has reached a sizable niche audience which is all films do anymore.

Corse

Melquiades

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:02 am

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In article <PMoec.35993$op7.13642@newssvr29.news.prodigy.com>, "Corse" <EsroCT@pobox.com> wrote:

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"Melquiades" <clay.c@nospam.mindspring.com> wrote in message
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The Passion at #1, by a margin of $7M+...

Care to take back any of the smug comments, Derek?

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My unsolicited view is that movie going has become such a marginal activity
that when any significant group decides as a group (whether that group is
adolescent males or born again Christians) to see a film, the film becomes
a hit, by today's standards at any rate. That doesn't mean that a majority
of the people in the country have seen it or will see it but rather that it
has reached a sizable niche audience which is all films do anymore.

I guess when that niche is Christians (particularly fundamentalist Christians)
and that group makes up a significant portion of the population, you get one
of the top 5-6 grossing films of all-time (without adjusting for inflation, of
course).

I think The Passion is a special case... it wsn't/isn't viewed in the same
light as most movies. People who never go to the movies went to this one. It
was presented (through a genius marketing strategy) as an us vs. them battle
in the cultural war, and Christians stepped up to the plate to make sure they
won it.

Nick Macpherson

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:51 am

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money is coming from repeat viewings. With Titanic it was young girls. With
The Passion it's Christian groups. That's real money, sure, but it also means
in the long run, you're not looking at a film with classic status. Titanic and
The Passion are both relics of their era, like ET in the 80s. The Passion
might become the biggest money maker of all time but it still ain't gonna be as
popular as Gone with the Wind, King Kong, The Wizard of Oz, any number of
movies that've been seen by just about every person on the plane, rather than
obsessives going over and over again.

dparks

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 1:36 pm

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nmacphe421@aol.com (Nick Macpherson) wrote in message news:<20040412095157.17325.00000206@mb-m16.aol.com>...

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From: clay.c@nospam.mindspring.com (Melquiades)

I think The Passion is a special case... it wsn't/isn't viewed in the same
light as most movies. People who never go to the movies went to this one.
It
was presented (through a genius marketing strategy) as an us vs. them battle
in the cultural war, and Christians stepped up to the plate to make sure they

won it.

The success of The Passion is similar to the success of Titanic. Most of the
money is coming from repeat viewings. With Titanic it was young girls. With
The Passion it's Christian groups. That's real money, sure, but it also means
in the long run, you're not looking at a film with classic status. Titanic and
The Passion are both relics of their era, like ET in the 80s. The Passion
might become the biggest money maker of all time but it still ain't gonna be as
popular as Gone with the Wind, King Kong, The Wizard of Oz, any number of
movies that've been seen by just about every person on the plane, rather than
obsessives going over and over again.

I wonder how much of this is true?.

I tend to disagree that The Passion's box office is due to "repeated
viewings". The Titanic? sure; with it's repeated viewings by little
tweener girls lusting after DiCaprio or ladies into the whole
"romance" angle of the movie; but The Passion? I'm not so sure.

I know several people, including family and friends that have seen the
movie; but only once - and once was enough. Nothing against the
movie, but who'd want to sit through the bloody beating and
crucifiction of Jesus Christ more than once? Twice at most?. Sure
there are nuts out there who may be "into" that sort of stuff, but
regardless of religious affiliation, the whole thing is just too dang
depressing. No?

I agree with a previous poster - this flick has simply drawn out
movie-goers that don't typically go to the movies at all. But again,
the demo numbers would be real interesting to view.

DP

frank habets

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 4:06 pm

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daveparks_00@hotmail.com (dparks) wrote in news:4e4f3cf9.0404121136.6ff7285c@posting.google.com:

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I agree with a previous poster - this flick has simply drawn out
movie-goers that don't typically go to the movies at all. But again,
the demo numbers would be real interesting to view.

DP

My mother lives in a residence for autonomous seniors, and would have thought they
would have been part of the demo that attended --they're french catholics who attend church
regularly.
Curiously, they didn't go. Too violent and upsetting.
(BTW, my mom and I went and we both thought it rather average and thin)
On the other hand, a local hick station has had ads running paid for by a local RC church,
with the priest exhorting people to go see it. Nice free publicity for the movie, at the expense of
his parishioners' donations. I wouldn't be surprised if he organized subsidized screenings for
the needy.

eNo

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:25 pm

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Nick Macpherson wrote:

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Which can be said about just about any of the old time big hitters, with
little or no chance to offer anything but educated conjecture to prove
the assertion. All of which adds up to one big so what?

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Mark Steese

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 6:31 pm

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clay.c@nospam.mindspring.com (Melquiades) wrote in
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I think The Passion is a special case... it wsn't/isn't viewed in the
same light as most movies.

Yes, most movies become hits because people enjoy them.

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So, what you're saying is that Christians are such dupes that they can be
snookered into repeatedly paying to see a crappy movie because of a
transparently obvious marketing strategy? Hm.
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Melquiades

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 7:25 pm

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In article <Xns94C9B251DFFBCSteese@216.168.3.44>, Mark Steese <makes_trees@charter.net> wrote:

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clay.c@nospam.mindspring.com (Melquiades) wrote in
news:IGuec.4940$zj3.4266@newsread3.news.atl.earthlink.net:

I think The Passion is a special case... it wsn't/isn't viewed in the
same light as most movies.

Yes, most movies become hits because people enjoy them.

There's that.. and the fact that this film speaks to people's religious
beliefs. You can't say that about most films, especially most blockbusters.

Quote:

People who never go to the movies went to this one. It was presented
(through a genius marketing strategy) as an us vs. them battle in the
cultural war, and Christians stepped up to the plate to make sure they
won it.

So, what you're saying is that Christians are such dupes that they can be
snookered into repeatedly paying to see a crappy movie because of a
transparently obvious marketing strategy? Hm.

No, I'm not saying that. I think if the film hadn't been so well-marketed
(constant interviews/debates in major publications) a lot of people wouldn't
have been too aware of it. But when it became a cultural litmus test, people
made damn sure they saw it.

Mike1

Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 10:26 pm

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In article <20040412095157.17325.00000206@mb-m16.aol.com>,
nmacphe421@aol.com (Nick Macpherson) wrote:

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In terms of total VIERWERSHIP (as opposed to receipts), then Passion
hasn't a hope of touching de Mille's "King of Kindg", or even "The Ten
Commandments".

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Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 11:04 pm

Derek Janssen wrote:

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"The highest grossing, fastest grossing, and....MOST grossing movie of
the year."

(And though I'm not a fan of "Tough Crowd", that's leaving aside:

[Conservative vs. Liberal debate]
Con: "There's clearly a new sense of spirituality in the country--Just
look at the huge box office for the Passion."
Lib: "...Proving WHAT? What're we all supposed to learn from this
movie, if there's nothing in it about his teachings?--That our Lord can
take a beating? That he's the first-century Whitney Houston??")

LOL!! I suspect (at least judging by follow-up coverage and the
underlying tone of 700 CLUB folks and TP defenders around here)
we're also supposed to be scared to death because this movie's
success proves that 1) the Rapture is right around the corner; 2)
Jesus was a warrior who's going to kick some serious butt when he
returns--which will show all us insufficiently Christian/righteous
folk good. The most hateful thing about TP hasn't been so much the
movie itself (though it's bad, now--g!) but the underlying
vengefulness and "God will show all y'all who don't think like us"
of many of its proponents.

C.
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Derek Janssen

Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:44 am

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deering24@mindspring.com wrote:

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A movie that, like Titanic, has already become an American National
Punchline has (unlike its subject) its immortality seriously in doubt.

Has Jon Stewart taken on this movie yet?

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