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Radek Ochnio
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 4:06 am
Guest
Hello,

what do you think, can this setup work properly ?

This is no budget feature, so I cannot afford any Deva, Nagra or PD-6. I
must use equipment I have :)

We'll be shooting indoors only, and I want to use my Yamaha 01x as a main
mixer. I can use limiter and EQ if necessary.
From this mixer I can send up to 16 channels through firewire to laptop,
which is used as a recording deck. So I'll have multiple track recorded for
any scene. After each day I can burn a DVD-ROM with all the material.
From digital output I want to feed my DAT, with mixed signal, just for
backup.
It'll be filmed with DV Cam, so from my main output i want send mixed stereo
signnal to camera.
And from Aux I'll send signal to my boom, and others if needed.
Mic will be Sennheiser ME 66 shotgun, 2 wireless Audio Technica, and stereo
pair of Neumann's for ambience recording.
Yamaha 01x works also as a controll surface to an audio software (in my
case - Subase SX).

Site about Yamaha 01x: http://www.01xray.com/

What do you think - can this work ?
And, can I send singnall form boom directly do Yamaha, or should I use for
example, Sound Devices mic preamp.

I hope you can understand my point :)

greetings to you all
Radek.
Jay Rose CAS
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 1:25 pm
Guest
....
Quote:
We'll be shooting indoors only, and I want to use my Yamaha 01x as a main
mixer. I can use limiter and EQ if necessary.
From this mixer I can send up to 16 channels through firewire to laptop,
which is used as a recording deck....
Mic will be Sennheiser ME 66 shotgun, 2 wireless Audio Technica, and stereo
pair of Neumann's for ambience recording...
And, can I send singnall form boom directly do Yamaha, or should I use for
example, Sound Devices mic preamp.

The setup should work fine, with a caveat:

Since you're not feeding video ref or work clock to the system, your
computer and camera may drift apart. In theory, with modern crystals, the
drift would be about 1 frame in 20 minutes. But I've had people report
problems in as quickly as 6 minutes. So I recommend using both front and
tail slates.

The ME66 is a hot mic and shouldn't have any problems going from boom to
mixer, particularly if you use star-quad. The only advantages of the SD
would be the boom op could wear it and drive phones directly.

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Wolf
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 3:26 pm
Guest
very cool ... since you know the mixer you will be able to decide if you
have enough quiet gain to do the job.
put your money in a better mike rental and this should be at least as
good as any current and many future DEVAs and the board is $ 1500.- list
- WOW
the 02R is often used by Hollyweird pros and the pre amps seem adequate
to the job. Get a UPS that can be turned on without external power
present of course.
let all od us know how it worked out - there are very few folks that use
digital mixers so far...
pretty soon we will not mix at all on location anymore and just send
lots of seperate media to editorial all at 24 bit which should not
require any gain adjustments.... we will see that day before we think....
wolf



Radek Ochnio wrote:

Quote:
Hello,

what do you think, can this setup work properly ?

This is no budget feature, so I cannot afford any Deva, Nagra or PD-6. I
must use equipment I have :)

We'll be shooting indoors only, and I want to use my Yamaha 01x as a main
mixer. I can use limiter and EQ if necessary.
From this mixer I can send up to 16 channels through firewire to laptop,
which is used as a recording deck. So I'll have multiple track recorded for
any scene. After each day I can burn a DVD-ROM with all the material.
From digital output I want to feed my DAT, with mixed signal, just for
backup.
It'll be filmed with DV Cam, so from my main output i want send mixed stereo
signnal to camera.
And from Aux I'll send signal to my boom, and others if needed.
Mic will be Sennheiser ME 66 shotgun, 2 wireless Audio Technica, and stereo
pair of Neumann's for ambience recording.
Yamaha 01x works also as a controll surface to an audio software (in my
case - Subase SX).

Site about Yamaha 01x: http://www.01xray.com/

What do you think - can this work ?
And, can I send singnall form boom directly do Yamaha, or should I use for
example, Sound Devices mic preamp.

I hope you can understand my point :)

greetings to you all
Radek.





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Mike Westgate AMPS
Posted: Thu Apr 08, 2004 6:04 pm
Guest
Very brave!

I suggest you set it up and test it all before you start the shoot.

Then you will have time to see if it works and sort out problems.

All the best

Mike
www.mikewestgatesound.webnz.co.nz
Bernardo Six Costa
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 1:12 am
Guest
Hi,

It should work just fine.
The only thing about lap-top recording is that you can never predict
an halting, and you need adequate power suply of course.
My biggest advice is use another mic...i donīt like the ME66 not even
a bit.I consider it to have an high end that sounds kind of metalic.
Try getting a MKH 416 or MKH60 or MKH50.


let us know how it turned out,

regards,

Bernardo Six Costa
www.bsc-filmsoundportugal.com
Radek Ochnio
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:32 am
Guest
Quote:
Since you're not feeding video ref or work clock to the system, your
computer and camera may drift apart. In theory, with modern crystals, the
drift would be about 1 frame in 20 minutes. But I've had people report
problems in as quickly as 6 minutes. So I recommend using both front and
tail slates.

I think there will be no longer take than 6 minutes, but of course you are

right - the tail slate might be very usefull.
Thanks,

Radek
Radek Ochnio
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:39 am
Guest
Quote:
Very brave!

I suggest you set it up and test it all before you start the shoot.


Thanks ;-)

I will be testing this setup in this weekend. Then I'll post results here on
RAMPS if you don't mind.
First shooting day is 18 april.

Greetings
Radek.
Radek Ochnio
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 2:47 am
Guest
Quote:
My biggest advice is use another mic...i donīt like the ME66 not even
a bit.I consider it to have an high end that sounds kind of metalic.
Try getting a MKH 416 or MKH60 or MKH50.

Not this time - I must use the ME66, and I hope it will sound not so bad.

Quote:
let us know how it turned out,

ok, of course

grts.
Radek.
Oleg Kaizerman
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 3:57 am
Guest
if it a broadcast camera , you can take the tc out and bring it as another
channel to your mixer then record it as one of your tracks on the computer
( you have more tracks then mikes Smile), that's can help keep you in sync
later in editing , keep it 20 db lower then the others
Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland

"Radek Ochnio" <rochnio@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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Quote:
Since you're not feeding video ref or work clock to the system, your
computer and camera may drift apart. In theory, with modern crystals,
the
drift would be about 1 frame in 20 minutes. But I've had people report
problems in as quickly as 6 minutes. So I recommend using both front and
tail slates.

I think there will be no longer take than 6 minutes, but of course you are
right - the tail slate might be very usefull.
Thanks,

Radek

Radek Ochnio
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 4:27 am
Guest
Quote:
if it a broadcast camera , you can take the tc out and bring it as another
channel to your mixer then record it as one of your tracks on the computer
( you have more tracks then mikes Smile), that's can help keep you in sync
later in editing , keep it 20 db lower then the others

It will be Sony PD 150 - how can I connct it and send tc to mixer ?

thx

r.
Oleg Kaizerman
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 6:18 am
Guest
you cant do it in simple way , you have to spread the dv out for tc , audio
,video , just forget it -to complicate:-)

or if you have tc gen ( or tc slate) , you can feed one of the camera inputs
and one of your mixer inputs.

the dat you are running ,does it have tc?, if so you can send it to the
camera and mixer as tc generator


"Radek Ochnio" <rochnio@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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Quote:
if it a broadcast camera , you can take the tc out and bring it as
another
channel to your mixer then record it as one of your tracks on the
computer
( you have more tracks then mikes Smile), that's can help keep you in sync
later in editing , keep it 20 db lower then the others

It will be Sony PD 150 - how can I connct it and send tc to mixer ?

thx

r.

Charles Tomaras
Posted: Fri Apr 09, 2004 8:54 am
Guest
"Radek Ochnio" <rochnio@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
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Quote:

My biggest advice is use another mic...i donīt like the ME66 not even
a bit.I consider it to have an high end that sounds kind of metalic.
Try getting a MKH 416 or MKH60 or MKH50.

Not this time - I must use the ME66, and I hope it will sound not so bad.

Why go to all this trouble and effort for good sound and "settle" for a
cheap prosumer microphone which is the MOST IMPORTANT piece of equipment in
the entire audio chain. If you can't beg, borrow or steal a professional
microphone you should ask the production to get on the phone and beg, borrow
or steal one for you. At the very least, borrow or rent one for an hour and
listen to the difference so you can hear for yourself the additional quality
a professional mic will bring to your production.
Radek Ochnio
Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 12:56 am
Guest
Quote:
Why go to all this trouble and effort for good sound and "settle" for a
cheap prosumer microphone which is the MOST IMPORTANT piece of equipment
in
the entire audio chain. If you can't beg, borrow or steal a professional
microphone you should ask the production to get on the phone and beg,
borrow
or steal one for you. At the very least, borrow or rent one for an hour
and
listen to the difference so you can hear for yourself the additional
quality
a professional mic will bring to your production.

I'm sorry for my delayed reply - I was on hollyday - no phone, computer,
tv - just resting and reading Smile
You are right, mic is the most important piece of gear. I can borrow at once
MKH 416. I just didn't think that difference between this and my ME 66 can
be so big. And I can always have ME66 as backup :)

thx.
Radek.
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 12:27 am
Guest
"Radek Ochnio" <rochnio@poczta.onet.pl> wrote in message
news:c5g2uv$fbc$1@news.onet.pl...
Quote:
Why go to all this trouble and effort for good sound and "settle" for a
cheap prosumer microphone which is the MOST IMPORTANT piece of equipment
in
the entire audio chain. If you can't beg, borrow or steal a professional
microphone you should ask the production to get on the phone and beg,
borrow
or steal one for you. At the very least, borrow or rent one for an hour
and
listen to the difference so you can hear for yourself the additional
quality
a professional mic will bring to your production.

I'm sorry for my delayed reply - I was on hollyday - no phone, computer,
tv - just resting and reading Smile
You are right, mic is the most important piece of gear. I can borrow at
once
MKH 416. I just didn't think that difference between this and my ME 66 can
be so big. And I can always have ME66 as backup :)

thx.
Radek.

I think you'll be pleased with the improvement in reach, general sound
quality and especially in the reduced noise floor a 416 has over an ME66.
 
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