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| Douglas Tourtelot |
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 9:41 am |
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An IA crew was recently locked out of a production called The Sisters
shooting in Eugene, Oregon. A replacement crew was contracted and traveled
while "negotiations" were happening, Anyone who might know of the sound
department personnel working the last few days of this show, please contact
me off-list. The IA editor, Drake Sillimann, crossed the line as did the IA
script supervisor. Their locals have been contacted. The DP was a Mexican
national working illegally in the US on a travel visa. INS has been
notified. The stage, owned by the producers, Chambers Media, has numerous
safety violations that have been called into OSHA and the Eugene fire
marshal. As well, and with the support of our fabulous actors including
Maria Bello, Mary Stuart Masterson, Erica Christensen, Rip Torn, Eric
McCormick and the rest, it is unlikely that production will be able to
complete the picture and will lose a considerable amount of their
investment, essentially "cutting off their nose to spite their face" in
order to single out IATSE for a lockout. DGA and SAG, of course, obtained
contracts.
It is my advise that anyone on this list who is ever ask to work on a
project at Chambers Media Center, or by producer (and wicked witch of the
Northwest) Carolyn Chambers, run (don't walk) away. No good will ever come
of association with this group.
As I said above, I would be very interested in the names of any sound people
working on this movie. They crossed a picket line of displaced legitimate
worker who only wanted the proper health and welfare benefits (no wages were
ever discussed in the negotiations. Only that a fair benefit package be
provided) in blacked out vans to take food out of my children's mouths for
the sake of an egotistic and greedy producer who fears that organized labor
will keep her from getting richer than she already is.
Regards,
Douglas Tourtelot, CAS
Seattle, WA
tourtelot@speakeasy.net
PS, I had to call the police department while on the picket line to escort
me to retrieve my sound package from behind locked gates manned by a
goon-squad of security people. The company intended that the scab mixer
would use my equipment to complete the show! All but one Comtek was
recovered without incident with the help of the Eugene Police Department and
Sgt. Flynn. BTW, officer Flynn rocks! |
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| Michael Filosa, CAS |
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:21 pm |
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"Douglas Tourtelot" <tourtelot@nospamspeakeasy.net> wrote in message news:<9aqdncGjH9eyaT3dRVn2vQ@giganews.com>...
Quote: An IA crew was recently locked out of a production called The Sisters
shooting in Eugene, Oregon. A replacement crew was contracted and traveled
while "negotiations" were happening,
Yes, that's how they play ball..... last year I was contacted to come
in and take over a show in, of all places, Tennessee, where several
excellent sound mixers reside.
They wanted me there practically overnight.... not a good sign .....
(oh, please, may I jump on your sinking ship???)
I could not get answers on who I was replacing, or why .... and I did
some calling around outside of the production to friends up there....
As not all "replacement" actions are justified, there was the
possibility of violating a brother (or sister) mixer, so I politely
declined. I was not IA at the time.....
I have only recently gone IA, and as the conditions and rates continue
to worsen, I encourage many to consider the benefits of solidarity
before it's too late ....
MF
Michael Filosa, CAS
Atlanta Field Production, Inc |
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| Adam D. Sperry |
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 9:44 am |
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I was called on 30 April by someone who wanted to send me from L.A. to
Oregon on about 2 days notice to shoot a feature- I don't know if this
is the same matter.
I have wanted to join AI for some time and am working towards that
goal. However, it becomes dispiriting to have my questions and
inquiries ignored by the organization until the day I show up to join
and have half my paperwork rejected.
I am foursquare in favor of collective bargaining; but the treatment
of the union organizations to it's prospective members leaves a lot to
be desire, sometimes. Especially in today's Hollywood.
Another point, why doesn't SAG join AFTRA before they are crushed
completely? |
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| Peter |
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 12:49 pm |
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Perhaps you should bypass IA695 and talk directly to the Contract
Services Administration Trust Fund office. The CSATF maintains the
Industry Experience Roster which is used to determine eligibility for
employment on IA shows in Los Angeles. Their requirements for roster
status vary, but generally proof of a certain amount of employment is
all that is needed for roster placement. After that, you are eligible
for union employment. Membership is then gained by employment of more
than 30 days, regardless of the interest of the local's staff.
I wish they had been more helpful to you. A primary tenet of union
organizing is first to organize the workers, and only then try to
organize the employers.
Peter
If you happen to move to Tennessee or Northern Mississippi, I promise to
make union membership immediately available to you.
In article <538ddd2a.0405120744.6ed01265@posting.google.com>,
AdmNaismith@yahoo.com (Adam D. Sperry) wrote:
Quote: I was called on 30 April by someone who wanted to send me from L.A. to
Oregon on about 2 days notice to shoot a feature- I don't know if this
is the same matter.
I have wanted to join AI for some time and am working towards that
goal. However, it becomes dispiriting to have my questions and
inquiries ignored by the organization until the day I show up to join
and have half my paperwork rejected.
I am foursquare in favor of collective bargaining; but the treatment
of the union organizations to it's prospective members leaves a lot to
be desire, sometimes. Especially in today's Hollywood.
Another point, why doesn't SAG join AFTRA before they are crushed
completely? |
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| Steve King |
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 4:30 pm |
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"Adam D. Sperry" <AdmNaismith@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:538ddd2a.0405120744.6ed01265@posting.google.com...
Quote:
SNIP
I am foursquare in favor of collective bargaining; but the treatment
of the union organizations to it's prospective members leaves a lot to
be desire, sometimes. Especially in today's Hollywood.
Another point, why doesn't SAG join AFTRA before they are crushed
completely?
Another movement is afoot. Last time around a very solid majority of AFTRA
members were in favor of merger. A majority of SAG members were in favor
(52%), as well; however, not the 60% (or 65%, I forget which) majority
required for passage. A small, but very famous, group of performers seemed
to believe that maintaining an identity as a "Hollywood screen actor's
organization" was more important than the economic benefits of merger with
AFTRA and more important than the jurisdictional disputes with AFTRA that
will erupt, inevitably, if things don't change. Summary: you don't have to
be smart to be famous and loud.
Steve King |
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| Adam D. Sperry |
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 5:47 pm |
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Peter,
Thaks for the information.
I did contact Contract Services and sent them my resume early on.
Live response is vague and no one returns phone messages.
I'm saying this largely as a point of business etiquette- If you want
something from someone, tell them clearly what you expect (What
paperwork is expected, what is considered a paid working day, ect.),
and return your phone calls.
What I know about gaining IA membership is mostly word of mouth. This
is IATSE, not the Masons.
How about this- is there an apprectice program for the Sound Dept or
does the Roster Program substitute for that? |
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| Peter |
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 6:21 pm |
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I usually get good service from CSATF, but I guess they're not always
good.
As for an apprentice program, I know of no current one. Though they have
entry level rate structures, I've never seen where those are applicable.
The roster doesn't really have any associated training or apprentice
program other than a new requirement for safety training mandated by the
State of California.
I have always planned to start my own training program for Utility
Technicians (so I don't have to train them on the job, which often means
doing their work, plus explaining it.) I haven't, because in Tennessee
there is little call for Utility Technicians and I don't ever have free
time when in LA.
IA membership requirements vary from local to local. There is no
standard method. I have always understood that gaining membership in
Local 695 was easy but expensive. Still, without roster status,
membership in 695 is pointless.
I think you should be able to get fairly clear answers from CSATF on
requirements for proof of qualifying experience. But you may not like
them. Generally you are required to have 30 days of employment with a
signatory company, but those companies aren't allowed to hire you unless
you have roster status, a Catch-22. Sometimes they open the roster a bit
by alternatively requiring 100 days of employment in the field, which
isn't hard to achieve for most working sound guys. A resume isn't
enough. The proof is difficult: paystubs, possibly callsheets, and the
killer, a letter from your employers verifying your employment.
This is as best as I understand it but may not be totally current
information. I wish membership was handled in a way that made it easy
for people but that isn't always the case. Again, in my home local we do
it differently, but in many locals it's much harder and more confusing
than CSATF and 695.
Peter
In article <538ddd2a.0405121547.2aa1cd15@posting.google.com>,
AdmNaismith@yahoo.com (Adam D. Sperry) wrote:
Quote: Peter,
Thaks for the information.
I did contact Contract Services and sent them my resume early on.
Live response is vague and no one returns phone messages.
I'm saying this largely as a point of business etiquette- If you want
something from someone, tell them clearly what you expect (What
paperwork is expected, what is considered a paid working day, ect.),
and return your phone calls.
What I know about gaining IA membership is mostly word of mouth. This
is IATSE, not the Masons.
How about this- is there an apprectice program for the Sound Dept or
does the Roster Program substitute for that? |
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| Steve Osmon |
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 7:32 pm |
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Is this the job you were working that made you miss the now "infamous" RAMPS
party during NAB? Just curious.
Steve
"Douglas Tourtelot" <tourtelot@nospamspeakeasy.net> wrote in message
news:9aqdncGjH9eyaT3dRVn2vQ@giganews.com...
Quote: An IA crew was recently locked out of a production called The Sisters
shooting in Eugene, Oregon. A replacement crew was contracted and
traveled
while "negotiations" were happening, Anyone who might know of the sound
department personnel working the last few days of this show, please
contact
me off-list. The IA editor, Drake Sillimann, crossed the line as did the
IA
script supervisor. Their locals have been contacted. The DP was a
Mexican
national working illegally in the US on a travel visa. INS has been
notified. The stage, owned by the producers, Chambers Media, has numerous
safety violations that have been called into OSHA and the Eugene fire
marshal. As well, and with the support of our fabulous actors including
Maria Bello, Mary Stuart Masterson, Erica Christensen, Rip Torn, Eric
McCormick and the rest, it is unlikely that production will be able to
complete the picture and will lose a considerable amount of their
investment, essentially "cutting off their nose to spite their face" in
order to single out IATSE for a lockout. DGA and SAG, of course, obtained
contracts.
It is my advise that anyone on this list who is ever ask to work on a
project at Chambers Media Center, or by producer (and wicked witch of the
Northwest) Carolyn Chambers, run (don't walk) away. No good will ever
come
of association with this group.
As I said above, I would be very interested in the names of any sound
people
working on this movie. They crossed a picket line of displaced legitimate
worker who only wanted the proper health and welfare benefits (no wages
were
ever discussed in the negotiations. Only that a fair benefit package be
provided) in blacked out vans to take food out of my children's mouths for
the sake of an egotistic and greedy producer who fears that organized
labor
will keep her from getting richer than she already is.
Regards,
Douglas Tourtelot, CAS
Seattle, WA
tourtelot@speakeasy.net
PS, I had to call the police department while on the picket line to escort
me to retrieve my sound package from behind locked gates manned by a
goon-squad of security people. The company intended that the scab mixer
would use my equipment to complete the show! All but one Comtek was
recovered without incident with the help of the Eugene Police Department
and
Sgt. Flynn. BTW, officer Flynn rocks!
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| shooter |
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 5:13 am |
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Generally you are required to have 30 days of employment with a
Quote: signatory company, but those companies aren't allowed to hire you unless
you have roster status, a Catch-22.
Every citizen of the US has the right to a job. The NLRB and the
Supreme Court of the US has ruled that any clause in a union contract
requiring union membership as a prerequisite for employment is
illegal. Any signatory company must abide by the terms of the contract
they signed but you DO NOT have to be a union member to work under
that contract. Usually these rules are used by people not wanting to
be in a union but wanting the work. But I see no reason you can't use
the rules to get on to any job where the producer wants you and then
using that time in to justify membership. Unless of course the union
blocks a perfectly good contributor from becoming a good member.
I think there is just as much bad coming from unions as there is
coming from employers. How many iatse members are there out there who
work under the basic agreement but don't qualify for the hospital
benifits? Those workers earn hospital money but are not allowed to
collect on that money they earned. The union confiscates that money
and puts it into the general hospital fund to lower the premiums for
every body else. The everybody else that is working enough to qualify.
So the rich(steady workers)are getting richer off the backs of the
poor. Very brotherly! The iatse refuses to fix this. They have the
alternative of going to the FlexPlan but instead they are forcing
locals who have the FlexPlan to switch to the Hollywood agreement. No
allowance for the people at the bottom rungs of the ladder that aren't
fortunate enough to work steady. I thought the basic premise of the
unions was to look out for the little guy. Doesn't seem apperent at
the new glossy 600 HQ built in Hollywood.
Sorry, my pet peave... |
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| Peter |
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 7:51 am |
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I guess you didn't read my post.
You DON'T need to be a member to work. You need to show appropriate
industry experience, as demonstrated by placement on the industry
experience roster. This roster is NOT set up, maintained, or operated by
the unions. It is run by Contract Services Administration Trust Fund, an
independent organization administrated by trustees from both unions and
producers. The National Labor Relations Act says that everyone is
entitled to access to work IF they have bona fide occupational
qualifications. Industry experience fits that description. And the Act
allows states to determine whether workers enjoying collective
bargaining agreements have an obligation to pay for the cost of
administering those agreements. Most states require an individual to
either join the union or otherwise pay the costs of the administering of
the agreement after 30 days of free ride. In the "right to work" states,
individuals never have to join unions or pay the costs of representation
or bargaining. They can freeload indefinitely. In right-to-work states,
the percentage of people covered by health insurance is dramatically
lower than in the others. And, the income is significantly less.
As to the Flex Plan, to the best of my knowledge it has NO relationship
to the Hollywood Basic Agreement. It has been an alternative for locals
who participate in the IA National Plan, which is unrelated to the
MPIHP, the plan set up for the Hollywood locals. Anyone capable of being
covered under the MPIHP will greatly prefer to do so as this plan is not
only totally paid for by the employers, but is also HEAVILY subsidized
by residuals paid on distribution fees (just as actors and musicians get
their share of the back end.)
You may have a legitimate 'peeve' about the number of days needed to
qualify for health insurance under the MPIHP, but in what seems to be a
swirl of ignorance about the way this all works, I suspect you are just
suffering a misunderstanding.
Peter
In article <a0d6f1bb.0405130313.869d244@posting.google.com>,
shooter@comcast.net (shooter) wrote:
Quote: Generally you are required to have 30 days of employment with a
signatory company, but those companies aren't allowed to hire you unless
you have roster status, a Catch-22.
Every citizen of the US has the right to a job. The NLRB and the
Supreme Court of the US has ruled that any clause in a union contract
requiring union membership as a prerequisite for employment is
illegal. Any signatory company must abide by the terms of the contract
they signed but you DO NOT have to be a union member to work under
that contract. Usually these rules are used by people not wanting to
be in a union but wanting the work. But I see no reason you can't use
the rules to get on to any job where the producer wants you and then
using that time in to justify membership. Unless of course the union
blocks a perfectly good contributor from becoming a good member.
I think there is just as much bad coming from unions as there is
coming from employers. How many iatse members are there out there who
work under the basic agreement but don't qualify for the hospital
benifits? Those workers earn hospital money but are not allowed to
collect on that money they earned. The union confiscates that money
and puts it into the general hospital fund to lower the premiums for
every body else. The everybody else that is working enough to qualify.
So the rich(steady workers)are getting richer off the backs of the
poor. Very brotherly! The iatse refuses to fix this. They have the
alternative of going to the FlexPlan but instead they are forcing
locals who have the FlexPlan to switch to the Hollywood agreement. No
allowance for the people at the bottom rungs of the ladder that aren't
fortunate enough to work steady. I thought the basic premise of the
unions was to look out for the little guy. Doesn't seem apperent at
the new glossy 600 HQ built in Hollywood.
Sorry, my pet peave... |
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| shooter |
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:02 pm |
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Peter <pkurland@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message news:<pkurland-1DC9CB.08514813052004@comcast.dca.giganews.com>...
Quote: I guess you didn't read my post.
You DON'T need to be a member to work. You need to show appropriate
industry experience, as demonstrated by placement on the industry
experience roster. This roster is NOT set up, maintained, or operated by
the unions. It is run by Contract Services Administration Trust Fund, an
independent organization administrated by trustees from both unions and
producers. The National Labor Relations Act says that everyone is
entitled to access to work IF they have bona fide occupational
qualifications. Industry experience fits that description. And the Act
allows states to determine whether workers enjoying collective
bargaining agreements have an obligation to pay for the cost of
administering those agreements. Most states require an individual to
either join the union or otherwise pay the costs of the administering of
the agreement after 30 days of free ride. In the "right to work" states,
individuals never have to join unions or pay the costs of representation
or bargaining. They can freeload indefinitely. In right-to-work states,
the percentage of people covered by health insurance is dramatically
lower than in the others. And, the income is significantly less.
As to the Flex Plan, to the best of my knowledge it has NO relationship
to the Hollywood Basic Agreement. It has been an alternative for locals
who participate in the IA National Plan, which is unrelated to the
MPIHP, the plan set up for the Hollywood locals. Anyone capable of being
covered under the MPIHP will greatly prefer to do so as this plan is not
only totally paid for by the employers, but is also HEAVILY subsidized
by residuals paid on distribution fees (just as actors and musicians get
their share of the back end.)
You may have a legitimate 'peeve' about the number of days needed to
qualify for health insurance under the MPIHP, but in what seems to be a
swirl of ignorance about the way this all works, I suspect you are just
suffering a misunderstanding.
Peter
No misunderstanding about the requirement for days to qualify for
health plan. As you pointed out "anyone capable of being covered will
prefer to do so". Capable is the operative word there. What if my
nurse or teacher wife has an even better health plan? I should be
allowed to opt out and use the money for something else. I earned it.
The flexplan allows for that. The pension plan is set at around 6%
contribution tax defered. I can shelter 25% tax defered. You can't do
both so if I were to work under contract I could ONLY shelter 6%.
Thank you for clarifying the Contract Services Admin. deal. I would
still question some agency having the right to determine who can work
and who can't. It seems to me that should be the job of the producer.
If the producer hires his brother to be a mixer or DP and that person
mucks it up that's the producers fault. Way too many people trying to
tell other people how to run their lives.
Back to the topic of the Oregon producer. Did that producer try to
change the terms of the deal before production began, did the crew try
to change the terms of the deal before production began or was there
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| Peter |
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 3:31 pm |
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In article <a0d6f1bb.0405131302.74e787cd@posting.google.com>,
shooter@comcast.net (shooter) wrote:
Quote: No misunderstanding about the requirement for days to qualify for
health plan. As you pointed out "anyone capable of being covered will
prefer to do so". Capable is the operative word there. What if my
nurse or teacher wife has an even better health plan? I should be
allowed to opt out and use the money for something else. I earned it.
The flexplan allows for that. The pension plan is set at around 6%
contribution tax defered. I can shelter 25% tax defered. You can't do
both so if I were to work under contract I could ONLY shelter 6%.
Thank you for clarifying the Contract Services Admin. deal. I would
still question some agency having the right to determine who can work
and who can't. It seems to me that should be the job of the producer.
If the producer hires his brother to be a mixer or DP and that person
mucks it up that's the producers fault. Way too many people trying to
tell other people how to run their lives.
Back to the topic of the Oregon producer. Did that producer try to
change the terms of the deal before production began, did the crew try
to change the terms of the deal before production began or was there
no agreement before production began?
I don't know any details about the situation in Oregon other than
someone was willing to cross a picket line so that the original crew
could be fired for wanting health insurance.
As to the producer's responsibility for hiring qualified applicants,
that is the way it works in most states. Californai is the exception,
though personally I would like to see some method put in place to
require crew members receiving benefits and guaranteed working
conditions pay the costs of the negotiating and administering of that
contract, without which the payment of tax-free benefits wasn't possible.
Another point about the MPIHP, if you are lucky enough to have other
coverage, than at least the MPIHP coverage can be used as a secondary
insurer, covering many co-pays and deductibles. They also have many
programs and facilities that come with coverage unavailable from other
insurers.
But since you pay NOTHING for the coverage, and the employer's payment
only represents a fraction of its cost, its hard to complain about
getting it. Here in the sticks, most people can't get the four or five
union days each month to get health insurance AT ALL. Supporting the
unions is the only chance for their families to have any health
protection, at least until we have some regime change in Washington.
Peter |
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