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| Mutley |
 Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:47 pm |
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| three-eyed freak |
| Posted: Fri Dec 21, 2007 5:47 pm |
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On Dec 21, 4:47 pm, Mutley <mutley90210REM...@hotmail.REMOVEcom>
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Wonder what kind of sound it will have? I checked on www.moviesunlimited.com
and their blurb doesn't specify whether the English soundtrack is 5.1
surround or even stereo! |
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| Bill Vermillion |
| Posted: Sat Dec 22, 2007 3:59 pm |
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In article <8ucom3huj4f4o1mlb75ecmc066f94kgrdd@4ax.com>,
Mutley <mutley90210REMOVE@hotmail.REMOVEcom> wrote:
It's about time. I had one on order for a long time a couple of
years ago before that release was cancelled. It had been moved a
cuople of times before cancellation.
Since I did like the film I got a region 4 p&s from Oz. I had an
OLD LD version that probably came out 20 years ago and I wanted a
DVD for convenience.
Later I found the Criterion version in England as I had missed it
during it's initial release.
I'm looking forward to this. Even Heston's 'wooden' performance
in the final scene :-)
Bill
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| Robert DiMucci |
| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 2:55 am |
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Bill Vermillion wrote:
Quote: In article <8ucom3huj4f4o1mlb75ecmc066f94kgrdd@4ax.com>,
Mutley <mutley90210REMOVE@hotmail.REMOVEcom> wrote:
A new 2 DVD set to be released January 2008
Finally something to replace the crappy versions that I have .
http://www.amazon.com/El-Cid-2-Disc-Limited-Collectors/dp/B000WMFZNS/ref=pd_bbs_5?ie=UTF8&s=dvd&qid=1198030336&sr=8-5
Pity it's not in a Hidef version as well.
It's about time. I had one on order for a long time a couple of
years ago before that release was cancelled. It had been moved a
cuople of times before cancellation.
Since I did like the film I got a region 4 p&s from Oz. I had an
OLD LD version that probably came out 20 years ago and I wanted a
DVD for convenience.
Later I found the Criterion version in England as I had missed it
during it's initial release.
I'm looking forward to this. Even Heston's 'wooden' performance
in the final scene :-)
Bill
Here's the first review I've seen of the El Cid DVD, on the DVDTalk website:
http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/read.php?ID=32050
Here are the review comments on the video and audio transfer:
"...while the image is an improvement over the older Japanese DVD, the
transfer apparently is sourced from an (anamorphic?) 35mm IN
(inter-negative) rather than the original Super Technirama camera
negative. The resultant image isn't bad, due in part to all the digital
clean-up, but it's also disappointingly soft considering how good it
should look. Just before settling down to El Cid I finished off a 16:9
Retromedia release, Goliath and the Sins of Babylon, a peplum shot in
greatly inferior Techniscope and, truth be told, overall the differences
in sharpness was pretty negligible. The absence of ideal elements might
also in part account for the lack of a high-definition release up to
now. ...
Included is the film's original overture, intermission music (there's no
entr'acte) and exit music. The show is presented over two discs, with
the film's first 121 minutes (including overture and intermission music)
presented on disc one, with the film's second act on disc two. In a wise
bit of DVD authoring, the second disc takes viewers straight into part
two; no FBI warnings, ads or other clutter.
"The film sourced bears a 1989 copyright renewal noticed supered over
the credits, which also appears on the Japanese DVD. The film also notes
Britain's Rank as the film's distributor, not U.S. distributor Allied
Artists. It's interesting to note that nowhere on the packaging is there
mention that the film has been "remastered in high-definition," or that
it was mastered from the "original Technirama" negative, which only
further supports this reviewer's contention that the camera negative
wasn't sourced. Fortunately, the superb Dolby Digital mix lives up to
the film's roadshow engagements, faltering only in that some of the
dialogue is drowned out by the aggressive music and effects tracks.
Generally, though it's outstanding, with swordfights clanging under the
full weight of the broadswords, Miklos Rozsa's superb score booming out
of the speakers, and some (though not a lot) of the dialogue and sound
effects getting a fully directional treatment."
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I'm perplexed by the note that the film includes intermission music but
no entr'acte. When I saw the 1993 theatrical re-release, it was just the
opposite: no intermission music, but an entr'acte (the El Cid March). I
wonder what the reviewer considers "intermission music" to be. I think
of it as music that plays immediately after the intermission card comes
up on the screen and that continues into the intermission period for
some time before or even after the house lights come up. The entr'acte
would begin after the house lights are dimmed for the beginning of the
second act. Since there are no "house light" cues on the DVD, it appears
as if the entr'acte has been tacked on to the end of the first half of
the film on disc one rather than being placed at the beginning of the
second half of the film on disc two. Thus, the entr'acte becomes
intermission music. Far from being "a wise bit of DVD authoring," this
is very bad DVD authoring. |
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| Martin Hart |
| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 1:39 am |
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In article <3IGdnR8rKJFaAwzanZ2dnUVZ_rTinZ2d@rcn.net>,
rdimucci@erols.com says...
Quote: Included is the film's original overture, intermission music (there's no
entr'acte) and exit music. The show is presented over two discs, with
the film's first 121 minutes (including overture and intermission music)
presented on disc one, with the film's second act on disc two. In a wise
bit of DVD authoring, the second disc takes viewers straight into part
two; no FBI warnings, ads or other clutter.
This indicates that the authoring is not in accord with the original
presentation. First of all, the "intermission music" IS the entr'acte.
Rozsa referred to it as the intermezzo. It was at the start of the
second half of the film and when it ended the story resumed with a close
up of two heavy doors which opened to reveal an aged and battle scarred
Cid.
Does no one know how roadshow films were usually put together. It was
very, very unusual to have any sort of music play after the curtains
closed on the first half of a film. The second half would begin with an
overture, entr'acte, intermezzo, or whatever the composer wants to call
it. The only film that I can recall that had music following the first
act and then a separate piece starting the second half is "Gone With The
Wind", and that stuff played at the end of part one was some really
dreadful Stephen Foster organ music.
Marty
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| Brian |
| Posted: Sun Jan 20, 2008 6:25 am |
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Martin Hart wrote:
Quote: .
Does no one know how roadshow films were usually put together. It was
very, very unusual to have any sort of music play after the curtains
closed on the first half of a film. The second half would begin with an
overture, entr'acte, intermezzo, or whatever the composer wants to call
it. The only film that I can recall that had music following the first
act and then a separate piece starting the second half is "Gone With The
Wind", and that stuff played at the end of part one was some really
dreadful Stephen Foster organ music.
Marty
As an aside didn't "The Night of the Generals" have a long playout at
the intermission with an image of a military medal projected on the
screen with theatre lighting at about 50%. IIRC the opening of the
second part was similar with the military cross on the screen as the
entr'acte music played.
Brian |
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| Robert DiMucci |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 7:06 am |
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Brian wrote:
Quote: Martin Hart wrote:
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Does no one know how roadshow films were usually put together. It was
very, very unusual to have any sort of music play after the curtains
closed on the first half of a film. The second half would begin with
an overture, entr'acte, intermezzo, or whatever the composer wants to
call it. The only film that I can recall that had music following the
first act and then a separate piece starting the second half is "Gone
With The Wind", and that stuff played at the end of part one was some
really dreadful Stephen Foster organ music.
Marty
As an aside didn't "The Night of the Generals" have a long playout at
the intermission with an image of a military medal projected on the
screen with theatre lighting at about 50%. IIRC the opening of the
second part was similar with the military cross on the screen as the
entr'acte music played.
Brian
You're thinking of "The Blue Max." (That's the medal that shows on the
screen (at least on the video version). Jerry Goldsmith's score
continues for about a minute after the intermission card fades out, and
his Entr;acte plays over the medal as well. |
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| Brian |
| Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 8:09 am |
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Robert DiMucci wrote:
Quote: Brian wrote:
Martin Hart wrote:
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Does no one know how roadshow films were usually put together. It
was very, very unusual to have any sort of music play after the
curtains closed on the first half of a film. The second half would
begin with an overture, entr'acte, intermezzo, or whatever the
composer wants to call it. The only film that I can recall that had
music following the first act and then a separate piece starting the
second half is "Gone With The Wind", and that stuff played at the end
of part one was some really dreadful Stephen Foster organ music.
Marty
As an aside didn't "The Night of the Generals" have a long playout at
the intermission with an image of a military medal projected on the
screen with theatre lighting at about 50%. IIRC the opening of the
second part was similar with the military cross on the screen as the
entr'acte music played.
Brian
You're thinking of "The Blue Max." (That's the medal that shows on the
screen (at least on the video version). Jerry Goldsmith's score
continues for about a minute after the intermission card fades out, and
his Entr;acte plays over the medal as well.
Indeed it was. Memory fading with age! |
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