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Bernardo Six Costa
Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 1:33 am
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Hi guys,

I probably should post this somewhere else but i´m so used to ramps
folks...

So...i recorded my quad background with an MS doing the front and an
XY doing the back.
I´m mixing in PT with the smpte 5.1 film standard.
My MS is doing the front, so do i output the M signal to the center
speaker or do i output it to out 1 and 2(L / R) dead center?

or you never put anything else at the center besides dial? (not even
slightly?)

regards,

Bernardo Six Costa
www.bsc-filmsoundportugal.com
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Frank Kruse
Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 8:14 am
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as this message was cross-posted to the CAS board here my comment
again:

MS decodes to XY stereo so you officially don´t get a center signal
from decoding an MS signal. Of course you can feel free to put the M
signal to the center but this will not be equal to a real L-C-R three
mic setup. you will not get more spacial informationn by doing this.
example: if you record as car that is placed hard left, you will hear
that car in your left speaker after decoding. if you feed the M signal
also to the center, cour car will not be located fully left any more.
I know it is common practice to do this but still keep in mind that
with 2 mics you will never get the info like with L-C-R mics.
MS assumed that you are auditioning through a stereo pair of speakers
and your center is a phantom sound source. so all these surround
setups out there based on MS don´t really work from my POV.

But this is the theory and as we all know in film: "if it sounds good,
it is good". so you can do as you please...

my 2 cents,


bernardosix@yahoo.com (Bernardo Six Costa) wrote in message news:<2a3ffe1a.0405062333.3d237253@posting.google.com>...
Quote:
Hi guys,

I probably should post this somewhere else but i´m so used to ramps
folks...

So...i recorded my quad background with an MS doing the front and an
XY doing the back.
I´m mixing in PT with the smpte 5.1 film standard.
My MS is doing the front, so do i output the M signal to the center
speaker or do i output it to out 1 and 2(L / R) dead center?

or you never put anything else at the center besides dial? (not even
slightly?)

regards,

Bernardo Six Costa
www.bsc-filmsoundportugal.com
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Kurt Albershardt
Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 9:57 am
Guest
Bernardo Six Costa wrote:
Quote:

i recorded my quad background with an MS doing the front and an
XY doing the back.
I´m mixing in PT with the smpte 5.1 film standard.
My MS is doing the front, so do i output the M signal to the center
speaker or do i output it to out 1 and 2(L / R) dead center?

If you want BG in the C channel and you want to retain proper perspective, you'll need to run your front channels through something like a Trifield decoder.

http://www.agmnet.net/agmdigital/archives/000063.html
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Randy Thom
Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 10:33 am
Guest
Hi, Bernardo!

You assign the tracks to whatever speakers they sound best in. There
are no "standards" for what you are doing. If it sounds good it IS
good, as long as it doesn't sound bad when you combine it all.

As I've said many many times before, very few four and five track
recordings of ambience and other sound effects ever make it into films
for very solid reasons. Multichannel ambience recording is mostly a
waste of energy in my opinion. It's a gimmick that has very little to
do with film storytelling.

RT

bernardosix@yahoo.com (Bernardo Six Costa) wrote in message news:<2a3ffe1a.0405062333.3d237253@posting.google.com>...
Quote:
Hi guys,

I probably should post this somewhere else but i´m so used to ramps
folks...

So...i recorded my quad background with an MS doing the front and an
XY doing the back.
I´m mixing in PT with the smpte 5.1 film standard.
My MS is doing the front, so do i output the M signal to the center
speaker or do i output it to out 1 and 2(L / R) dead center?

or you never put anything else at the center besides dial? (not even
slightly?)

regards,

Bernardo Six Costa
www.bsc-filmsoundportugal.com
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Frank Kruse
Posted: Fri May 07, 2004 5:32 pm
Guest
apart from that you also might want to consider that MS used with
extreme width settings can couse very unpredictable fx when downmixed
through the DS-4 (LtRt) because of the phase reverse nature of the
decoded s-signal.
also, as randy has said before (one of my favorite answers to 5.0 atmo
diskussions) backgrounds in movies are rather constructed not recorded
so there are no real rules.

frank.

davidrandallthom@hotmail.com (Randy Thom) wrote in message news:<ce1b2691.0405070833.2c33c574@posting.google.com>...
Quote:
Hi, Bernardo!

You assign the tracks to whatever speakers they sound best in. There
are no "standards" for what you are doing. If it sounds good it IS
good, as long as it doesn't sound bad when you combine it all.

As I've said many many times before, very few four and five track
recordings of ambience and other sound effects ever make it into films
for very solid reasons. Multichannel ambience recording is mostly a
waste of energy in my opinion. It's a gimmick that has very little to
do with film storytelling.

RT

bernardosix@yahoo.com (Bernardo Six Costa) wrote in message news:<2a3ffe1a.0405062333.3d237253@posting.google.com>...
Hi guys,

I probably should post this somewhere else but i´m so used to ramps
folks...

So...i recorded my quad background with an MS doing the front and an
XY doing the back.
I´m mixing in PT with the smpte 5.1 film standard.
My MS is doing the front, so do i output the M signal to the center
speaker or do i output it to out 1 and 2(L / R) dead center?

or you never put anything else at the center besides dial? (not even
slightly?)

regards,

Bernardo Six Costa
www.bsc-filmsoundportugal.com
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Bernardo Six Costa
Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 2:33 am
Guest
Hi,

thanks everyone for the answers.
yes it´s true...quad bg´s aren´t really practical to use.
But i had some fun trying out diferent mic placement configurations,
and had some pleasant results:)


regards,


Bernardo Six Costa
www.bsc-filmsoundportugal.com
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