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| Mike |
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| Wm. B. Yeats |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:41 am |
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On 13 Apr 2004 06:23:08 -0700, yared22311@yahoo.com (Mike) wrote:
Since when is that true? You just might be confusing liberalism with
communism/socialism (there might be Commies hiding under your bed -
better check). Neo-cons are often addled by words of over 4 letters.
But getting back to film - many great movies come to mind made by
liberals (Kane, Gentleman's Agreement, President's Men, On the Beach)
but I can't think of any great movies which makes viewers THINK and
are made by right wingers. Can you?
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| damnfine |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:11 am |
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"Mike" wrote:
Quote: How can liberals be rich if they are anti-capitalism?
How can you operate a computer if you're such a stupid person?
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/^\damnfine/^\
"Somewhere in Texas, a village is being deprived of its idiot." |
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| Nick Macpherson |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:36 pm |
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Quote: From: deering24@mindspring.com
Wm. B. Yeats wrote:
But getting back to film - many great movies come to mind made by
liberals (Kane, Gentleman's Agreement, President's Men, On the Beach)
but I can't think of any great movies which makes viewers THINK and
are made by right wingers. Can you?
THE SEARCHERS (and a couple other great movies) by John Ford. IIRC,
he wasn't a liberal kind of guy--g!
C.
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America's two best working filmmakers have reputations as political
conservatives: Clint Eastwood and David Lynch. Blue Velvet is a very
conservative film. One college reviewer described it as "Christian
pornography," (and meant it as a compliment, unlike those of us who level the
same charge against The Passion of the Christ.) |
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| John Harkness |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:38 pm |
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On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:21:00 GMT, deering24@mindspring.com wrote:
Quote: Wm. B. Yeats wrote:
But getting back to film - many great movies come to mind made by
liberals (Kane, Gentleman's Agreement, President's Men, On the Beach)
but I can't think of any great movies which makes viewers THINK and
are made by right wingers. Can you?
THE SEARCHERS (and a couple other great movies) by John Ford. IIRC,
he wasn't a liberal kind of guy--g!
C.
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But he was hardly a right winger, either -- he stood down Cecil B.
DeMille at the Directors Guild on things like loyalty oaths during the
Red Scare era, and he's also the guy who made The Grapes of Wrath.
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| Mike |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 2:57 pm |
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Geez, did not know the intelligence challenged people cannot use a
computer. Are you anti-disability, damnfine? Are all the aborigines
killed by your kind?
Mike
"damnfine" <damnfine@ihug.com.au> wrote in message news:<c5gv5p$1jfsl$1@ID-138038.news.uni-berlin.de>...
Quote: "Mike" wrote:
How can liberals be rich if they are anti-capitalism?
How can you operate a computer if you're such a stupid person? |
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| Neill Massello |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 3:24 pm |
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Mike <yared22311@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: Liberals putting politics on film
Not one of which will have any effect on the election, except perhaps to
help Bush a little.
The nakedly partisan stuff, especially from Michael Moore, is just red
meat for the Bush-haters, equivalent to the rants about the Clintons
being drug dealers, murdering Vince Foster, etc. The Sayles movie might
be interesting, but I doubt that it will be as good as Primary Colors or
Wag the Dog -- two uncomplimentary movies "about" Clinton released
*after* he was re-elected. |
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| Jesse Mazer |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 7:48 pm |
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Nick Macpherson wrote:
Quote: From: deering24@mindspring.com
Wm. B. Yeats wrote:
But getting back to film - many great movies come to mind made by
liberals (Kane, Gentleman's Agreement, President's Men, On the Beach)
but I can't think of any great movies which makes viewers THINK and
are made by right wingers. Can you?
THE SEARCHERS (and a couple other great movies) by John Ford. IIRC,
he wasn't a liberal kind of guy--g!
C.
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America's two best working filmmakers have reputations as political
conservatives: Clint Eastwood and David Lynch. Blue Velvet is a very
conservative film. One college reviewer described it as "Christian
pornography," (and meant it as a compliment, unlike those of us who level the
same charge against The Passion of the Christ.)
Has David Lynch actually stated his politics in interviews, or is this reputation
as a political conservative just based on people reading things into his films?
Blue Velvet didn't seem too conservative too me--the movie is all about the dark
secrets going on behind the scenes of a blandly "nice"-seeming town and the main
character's perverse fascination with this hidden world, and the "happy" ending
where he "returns to normal" and marries the innocent Laura Dern character seemed
pretty ironic to me (notice how the robin outside the window in the final scene,
which made us think of her sappy speech about love and robins earlier in the
movie, was intentionally made to be as fake-looking as possible).
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Jesse Mazer
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| Nick Macpherson |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 8:27 pm |
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Quote: From: "Sunil" ternaryadjust@hotmail.com
America's two best working filmmakers have reputations as political
conservatives: Clint Eastwood and David Lynch. Blue Velvet is a very
conservative film. One college reviewer described it as "Christian
pornography," (and meant it as a compliment, unlike those of us who level
the
same charge against The Passion of the Christ.)
You do realize David Lynch is into Trancendental Meditation? Did he actually
say he's conservative or are you assuming that from his films?
Sunil
He's a conservative who's into TM.
http://www.hollywoodinvestigator.com/lynch.htm
TWIN PEAKS DIRECTOR DAVID LYNCH -- ADMIRES REAGAN, NATURAL LAW PARTY!
by Hank Willow, staff reporter [November 19, 2001]
[HollywoodInvestigator.com] Director David Lynch -- whose bizarro film and
TV creations include Eraserhead, Twin Peaks, and the newly-released Mulholland
Drive, admires Republican Ronald Reagan -- yet supported presidential hopeful
John Hagelin in the 2000 election -- whose Natural Law Party advocates
transcendental meditation!
Even more amazingly, Lynch insists he is not a political person!
Those are the shocking findings found by a crack team of Hollywood Investigator
investigative reporters!
David Lynch's admiration for former President Reagan has long been a matter of
public record -- recorded in a special Wild At Heart cover story in National
Review magazine!
More recently, in an LA Weekly interview with Lynch, interviewer John Powers
explains: "While Lynch doesn't seem like the sort of man who's packing heat, he
was drawn to Ronald Reagan because of his 'cowboy image' and laments that
L.A.'s wonderland of individual freedom is being hedged in by rules and
regulations. He takes building-code restrictions personally."
Lynch fumes: "People should be able to build what they want to build, when they
want to build it, how they want to build it."
Says Powers of Lynch: "For all his dark, perverse imaginings, his social values
are rooted in the sunlit credo of the American West: Don't tread on me.
Nothing matters to him more than his freedom to do whatever he thinks up. I
first saw this side of him one afternoon in 1989 when he began railing about
the city government: It wouldn't let him put razor wire around his property to
keep itinerants from cutting across his property."
Powers quotes Lynch as saying: "[T]his country's in pretty bad shape when human
scum can walk across your lawn, and they put you in jail if you shoot 'em."
Amazingly, despite Lynch's admiration for Republican Ronald Reagan -- and
starkly libertarian pronouncements -- Lynch backed Natural Law Party
presidential candidate John Hagelin in the 2000 election!
And Lynch put his talent where his mouth is! -- by directing a promotional
video for the Natural Law guru/candidate!
The Natural Law Party advocates transcendental meditation as a solution to
world problems -- a worldview eerily similar to Twin Peaks' FBI Special Agent
Dale Cooper -- a character often interpreted as Lynch's alter ego!
Even more shockingly, during an interview with Mark Cousins for BBC 2 Scotland,
David Lynch insisted: "I'm not a political person."
Lynch reportedly had dinner at the Reagan White House, yet Lynch says: "I don't
understand politics. I don't understand the concept of two sides. And I think
that probably there's good on both sides, bad on both sides, and there's a
middle ground. But it never seems to come to the middle ground. And it's very
frustrating watching it, and seemingly we're not moving forward."
Despite his bizarro film and TV creations, Lynch also directed the heart-
warming Straight Story -- a film that Cousins interprets as saying "the sort of
thing that Ronald Reagan would say."
Lynch replied: "I have no idea what Ronald Reagan would say."
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| tim gueguen |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 9:28 pm |
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"Nick Macpherson" <nmacphe421@aol.com> wrote in message
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Quote: From: "Sunil" ternaryadjust@hotmail.com
America's two best working filmmakers have reputations as political
conservatives: Clint Eastwood and David Lynch. Blue Velvet is a very
conservative film. One college reviewer described it as "Christian
pornography," (and meant it as a compliment, unlike those of us who
level
the
same charge against The Passion of the Christ.)
You do realize David Lynch is into Trancendental Meditation? Did he
actually
say he's conservative or are you assuming that from his films?
Sunil
He's a conservative who's into TM.
And hardly the only one. Mike Love of the Beach Boys has long been a TM
practioner, and is a long term Republican Party supporter.
tim gueguen 101867 |
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| Jesse Mazer |
| Posted: Tue Apr 13, 2004 10:00 pm |
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Nick Macpherson wrote:
Quote: From: "Sunil" ternaryadjust@hotmail.com
America's two best working filmmakers have reputations as political
conservatives: Clint Eastwood and David Lynch. Blue Velvet is a very
conservative film. One college reviewer described it as "Christian
pornography," (and meant it as a compliment, unlike those of us who level
the
same charge against The Passion of the Christ.)
You do realize David Lynch is into Trancendental Meditation? Did he actually
say he's conservative or are you assuming that from his films?
Sunil
He's a conservative who's into TM.
http://www.hollywoodinvestigator.com/lynch.htm
TWIN PEAKS DIRECTOR DAVID LYNCH -- ADMIRES REAGAN, NATURAL LAW PARTY!
by Hank Willow, staff reporter [November 19, 2001]
This article makes it sounds like he's fairly apolitical, maybe with a bit of a
libertarian inclination. And have you looked into the platform of the Natural Law
Party?
http://www.natural-law.org/platform/index.html
They may be "conservative" on one or two scores (support for a flat tax), but not
on most (pro-choice, anti-death-penalty, for moderate gun control measures such as
waiting periods, strong focus on a cleaner environment, focus on 'root causes' of
crime & rehabilitation, decriminalizing nonviolent drug offences).
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Jesse Mazer
http://www.jessemazer.com |
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| Wm. B. Yeats |
| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:53 am |
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On 14 Apr 2004 13:44:16 GMT, Neil Cerutti <horpner@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote: In article <krjo70ha464teea4fn5ovt4dcot561gn3d@4ax.com>, John Harkness wrote:
On Tue, 13 Apr 2004 20:21:00 GMT, deering24@mindspring.com wrote:
Wm. B. Yeats wrote:
But getting back to film - many great movies come to mind made by
liberals (Kane, Gentleman's Agreement, President's Men, On the Beach)
but I can't think of any great movies which makes viewers THINK and
are made by right wingers. Can you?
THE SEARCHERS (and a couple other great movies) by John Ford. IIRC,
he wasn't a liberal kind of guy--g!
C.
**
But he was hardly a right winger, either -- he stood down Cecil
B. DeMille at the Directors Guild on things like loyalty oaths
during the Red Scare era, and he's also the guy who made The
Grapes of Wrath.
You can't compare eras. By today's standard, Reagan was a flaming
liberal.
Reagan was a liberal when he was the president of SAG. Check it out.
And (imo) RR didn't make any great films.
WB Yeats |
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| Wm. B. Yeats |
| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 7:59 am |
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On 13 Apr 2004 20:36:18 GMT, nmacphe421@aol.com (Nick Macpherson)
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Quote: From: deering24@mindspring.com
Wm. B. Yeats wrote:
But getting back to film - many great movies come to mind made by
liberals (Kane, Gentleman's Agreement, President's Men, On the Beach)
but I can't think of any great movies which makes viewers THINK and
are made by right wingers. Can you?
THE SEARCHERS (and a couple other great movies) by John Ford. IIRC,
he wasn't a liberal kind of guy--g!
Like Grapes of Wrath - yeah, that's a really conservative right-wing
film.
Quote: America's two best working filmmakers have reputations as political
conservatives: Clint Eastwood and David Lynch. Blue Velvet is a very
conservative film. One college reviewer described it as "Christian
pornography," (and meant it as a compliment, unlike those of us who level the
same charge against The Passion of the Christ.)
America's two best filmmakers? Lynch? Guess Marty Scorcese doesn't
count anymore. And Clint's best films are apolitical. I thought I
referred to great films with a POV.
WB Yeats |
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| Nick Macpherson |
| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 8:17 am |
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Quote: From: Wm. B. Yeats WBYeats@Ireland.com
America's two best filmmakers? Lynch? Guess Marty Scorcese doesn't
count anymore. And Clint's best films are apolitical. I thought I
referred to great films with a POV.
Seriously, when was the last time Scorsese lived up to his reputation as
America's best filmmaker? Goodfellas? Even Spielberg's become a more
consistently interesting filmmaker. Scorsese looks like someone dangerously
close to being past his peak.
A great film with a conservative POV: 25th Hour, from a director that the
right wing despises (because he's black and opinionated). Throughout the
movie, Lee emphasizes that though Norton's character is a nice guy, he's a drug
dealer, he's corrupted the environment, and he deserves to go to jail. Philip
Seymour Hoffman's character is lusting after one of his students and most
filmmakers would give the guy a pass and let him go for it, but in Lee's do the
right thing world, screwing your student is not something you do. And he ends
the movie with a vision of Americana that looks like something out of
Mellencamp or Springsteen, minus the social critique. |
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| Richard |
| Posted: Wed Apr 14, 2004 11:45 am |
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nmacphe421@aol.com (Nick Macpherson) wrote in message news:<20040413163618.04031.00000332@mb-m01.aol.com>...
Quote: From: deering24@mindspring.com
Wm. B. Yeats wrote:
But getting back to film - many great movies come to mind made by
liberals (Kane, Gentleman's Agreement, President's Men, On the Beach)
but I can't think of any great movies which makes viewers THINK and
are made by right wingers. Can you?
THE SEARCHERS (and a couple other great movies) by John Ford. IIRC,
he wasn't a liberal kind of guy--g!
C.
**
America's two best working filmmakers have reputations as political
conservatives: Clint Eastwood and David Lynch. Blue Velvet is a very
conservative film. One college reviewer described it as "Christian
pornography," (and meant it as a compliment, unlike those of us who level the
same charge against The Passion of the Christ.)
Blue Velvet is "Christian pornography?" "The Passion of the Christ" is
Christian pornography? Are you sure it isn't the leftist critics
whose perverted minds thought up (and apparently employ wide usage
of)that propaganda slogan aren't the real problem?
-Rich |
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