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| Super8mm |
 Posted: Tue Sep 30, 2003 7:23 am |
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Dear Fellow Super 8mm filmmaking enthusiasts,
Here's the new information from Eastman KODAK regarding the Super 8mm film
changes which replaces the current PLUS-X 7276 with the New PLUS-X 7265, and
the current TRI-X 7278 with the New TRI-X 7266. There are speed and
processing changes that will affect BOTH Old and New film types! The
following comes directly from the data sheet sent to all of us film labs.
Being a completely manual film processing lab, I can process both new and old
film types to maintain their factory filmspeed ratings. However, most labs
cannot afford to do this, and would have to incurr expensive special PUSH or
PULL processing charges to do this for you. Find out which labs can support
the films you use, so you're prepared for the future. I'm sorry this
information is late, but KODAK only just sent it to me a couple days ago. Some
emphasis in brackets is mine. Good luck!
Best wishes,
Martin W. Baumgarten
NEW KODAK BLACK & WHITE REVERSAL FILMS INFORMATION SHEET
Eastman Kodak Company is introducing two new black-and-white reversal films
this fall {2003}, as well as a new first developer and belach for the
black-and-white reversal process. Below is advance information on the changes
that will occur with the launch of these products.
KODAK TRI-X Reversal Film 7266 - Available September 2
* Replaces EASTMAN TRI-X Reversal Film 7278
* 7278 and 7266 give the same results in both the new and the current
processes.
KODAK PLUS-X Reversal Film 7265 - Available October 1
* Replaces EASTMAN PLUS-X Reversal Film 7276
* BOTH 7265 and 7276 are One Stop Faster in the new developer {Kodak
emphasized this in red}
* 7265 will be rated at 100 speed {ASA/ISO 100}
KODAK B&W Reversal First Developer Replenisher - Available October 1
* Process D-94A
KODAK B&W Reversal Bleach and Replenisher - Available October 1
* Eliminates chromium from the process
* Kodak kit has three parts
CAUTION: IMPORTANT INFORMATION
* During the conversion period of September 1 through October 31, check with
your lab before exposing and/or processing your film.
* 7276 exposed at 50 should be processed in the current developer D-94. IF
it is processed in the new developer, D-94A, your pictures will be overexposed
and light in density. {can be pull processed to compensate}
* 7265 should be exposed at 100 and processed in the new developer D-94A.
IF 7265 is processed in the current developer, D-94, your images will be
underexposed and dark in density. {can be push processed to compensate}
* ALL 7276 exposed at 50 should be processed before October 1, when the
conversion to the new developer occurs. {or use a lab that will continue to
use the older process chemistry to maintain consistancy}
WHAT TO DO IF YOU HAVE UNEXPOSED 7276
* Expose at 50 speed and process before October 1 in the current developer.
* Expose at 100 speed and process after October 1 in the new D-94A
developer.
* Check with your lab before exposing and processing 7276 and 7265.
For more information go to www.kodak.com/go/motion
(c) Eastman Kodak Company, 2003. Kodak, Plus-X and Tri-X are trademarks |
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| Clive Tobin |
| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 12:04 am |
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"Super8mm" <super8mm@aol.com> wrote
Thanks for the info, Martin. I had not heard of this previously.
Way to go Kodak, you're going to confuse the F%$# out of everyone with this.
People will not have gotten the word and will be sending in Plus-X 7276
years from now exposed at ASA 50. And the bad washed-out results will put
more nails in the coffin of Super-8.
This is about as bad as Kodak making their later model XL cameras without
daylight conversion filters, to shoot only daylight balance "type G" films,
and now have discontinued all of the color film types that would work in
them. And the bad blue results will put more nails in the coffin of Super-8.
Clive Tobin
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| Super8mm |
| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2003 8:42 am |
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In article <blfj1801r38@enews1.newsguy.com>, "Clive Tobin" <kill@eat.spammers>
writes:
Quote: Thanks for the info, Martin. I had not heard of this previously.
Way to go Kodak, you're going to confuse the F%$# out of everyone with this.
People will not have gotten the word and will be sending in Plus-X 7276
years from now exposed at ASA 50. And the bad washed-out results will put
more nails in the coffin of Super-8.
This is about as bad as Kodak making their later model XL cameras without
daylight conversion filters, to shoot only daylight balance "type G" films,
and now have discontinued all of the color film types that would work in
them. And the bad blue results will put more nails in the coffin of Super-8.
Clive Tobin
clive att
access 4 cheap
dott comm
Wednesday, October 1, 2003
Hi Clive,
--> I probably should have added that, these changes affect ALL KODAK Black &
White REVERSAL films for both Double 8mm (Regular 8mm), Super 8mm, and 16mm
formats. So really, anyone shooting in B&W Reversal needs to be mindful of the
changes, especially for PLUS-X 7276 filmstock.
---> As for those crazy "XL" cameras that KODAK put out in the 70's, I
agree....what a crock only to be able to use the now long discontinued
Ektachrome 160 Type G filmstock. Actually though, one can use TRI-X 7278
film in them also. There is a block in the camera which fits into the
filmspeed notch on the cartridge...thus cartridges with filmspeeds slower than
ASA/ISO 160 would not work. The current Ektachrome 125 VNF 7240 will work,
but of course only useful for Tungsten light filming. IF one were
adventurous, one could 'operate' on these older cameras and remove the plastic
cartridge notch hump in the film chamber, and then add a piece of light
reducing filter material over the meter window to 'trick' the camera into
reading at ASA 25, and place an 85 Filter over the lens....and voila, be able
to use Kodachrome 40 Type A in them. It's easily doable. For Super 8
filmmaking, one has to be creative and inventive at times, to keep the costs
down and keep the hobby fun. Anyhow....perhaps the 'good' thing is that most
of these older Kodak XL models (such as the XL 33 and XL 55, and some others),
have had their motor neoprene drive gear disintegrated, rendering them useless
anyhow. Again, an enterprising person could replace it with a nice brass or
plastic gear...but the labor and effort involved is way beyond what such a
camera is worth. Plenty of other cameras to use out there though.
---> Again regarding the notice from KODAK....I was quite dismayed that they
waited so long to send out a notice on this to us labs. I haven't ordered any
of the new filmstock yet...but hope to soon and run some tests. Since I
always mix most of my own solutions, I probably won't be using their New First
Developer D-94a anyhow.
Best wishes,
Martin W. Baumgarten |
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| Clive Tobin |
| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 1:29 am |
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"Super8mm" <super8mm@aol.com> wrote in message
news:20031002024209.23171.00001172@mb-m05.aol.com...
This brings up another problem: Are the cartridges notched for 100 ASA?
While a very few S-8 camera models will expose the film correctly, most are
capable of reading only 40 and 160 notches properly. Depending on the notch
reading mechanism, they may expose this 100 film at either 40 or 160. Why
didn't they keep it 50 in the new developer? 100 is too fast for sunlight
filming with a lot of cameras. If they can even read the notch properly. And
most cameras do not have an exposure biasing adjustment knob.
Quote: ---> As for those crazy "XL" cameras that KODAK put out in the 70's, I
agree....
.....perhaps the 'good' thing is that most
of these older Kodak XL models (such as the XL 33 and XL 55, and some
others),
have had their motor neoprene drive gear disintegrated, rendering them
useless
Judging by the color ( it looks and crumbles like Cheddar cheese ) I don't
think it is neoprene, although I can't say what it is.
I have an XL33 that I tried taking apart to see if the gear could be
replaced. Maybe it could be but it is a very small pinion gear pressed on
the motor shaft, and the camera construction is a nightmare with all kinds
of swaged, bent, glued, hot plastic riveted and pressed in parts and trying
to figure out how to do it and then put it back together is a lot like
reassembling a butchered cow. (Anyone want an XL33 with some assembly
required?  )
The only Kodak super-8 camera that you can count on still working is the
first one, the M2. All nylon/delrin gears with no cheese ones. Most M4's
have had the light meter battery die and leak and eat away the wiring, in
fact the mercury cell is so cleverly hidden that most owners don't know it
has one and can't imagine why their film was most recently coming out "a
bit" light, say 6 F stops' worth in sunlight. I believe all the M12 and up,
XL and Ektasound ones had a cheese gear (as did some Carousel slide
projectors) but that's a guess. And let's not get started on the
availability of mercury cells and super-8 sound film.
Clive Tobin |
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| Filmman35 |
| Posted: Fri Oct 03, 2003 8:53 pm |
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Quote: Judging by the color ( it looks and crumbles like Cheddar cheese ) I don't
think it is neoprene, although I can't say what it is.
Clive
I have seen the "cheese" gears in a lot of Kodak stuff. I had them in my
Ektagraphic slide projector and on my original Ektasound 245 projector that has
a plastic "cheese" "nub" that the pulldown claw drive end slides on the shutter
wheel.
As with all plastics, there is a certain amount of lubricant incorporated in
them. The "cheese" parts seemed to have an excessive amount of the lubricant in
them and turning the plastic in to a wax like substance.
Since Kodak designed and made some of their own plastics in the past, I guess
they did not see this coming, (and they did not care about their cameras being
used 30+ years into the future) |
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