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Guest
Posted: Fri Apr 29, 2005 7:29 pm
Paul Gallagher wrote:

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I haven't followed the story closely, but I
assume that's what Robert Novak did -- made a deal.

We'll know before long ... this should have been brought
into the open before the election.

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I didn't get a chance to see _2046_! I have family visiting, and it
conflicts with the film times. Tickets are only available at the
door,
so I expect the film will sell out. I might not have been able to
get in anyway. I'll have to wait until August for _2046_'s
commercial
release.

So it'll be at least October before I get to see it then! Better not
schedule any vacation ... wait, I'm going to the East coast in
August! Let's see what happens.

Armond White lodged the first negative review of _Holy Girl_
that I've seen. Most critics seem to be firmly on the bandwagon.

Martel's has distinctive
visual expressions of skepticism. Her corner-of-the-eye
compositions convey each character's furtive amorality-mocking
Bresson's spiritual displacement. Martel's Catholic manques
(including Mercedes Moran as Amalia's hot-pants divorced mother)
obsess over sin and disease. It's a dead-pan comedy about our
corruptible sexual nature; a defeatist vision.

I'm not sure _La Cienaga_ has a defeatist vision, because I'm not
convinced it has much of a vision. It is highly entertaining, a very
smart kitchen sink drama. The stuff about the Virgin Mary is certainly
mocking in tone. It is not a "serious" film, certainly not a Bresson;
is it a satire of the Bunuel tradition, as the DVD box claims? I can't
say. I'm not the biggest Bunuel fan either.
monterone
Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 1:00 pm
Guest
I let _La Cienaga_ slip away when it was playing here; something about
the reviews discouraged me, as I recall. But it looks like there'll be
another chance. I just noticed in the Voice's "Short List" that it's
playing tomorrow evening (Monday, May 2) at New York's Cinema Village.


This appears to be one of a series of upcoming screenings of the film
in the area, sponsored by Cinema Tropical:
http://www.cinematropical.com/2005schedules/05NY.html
Guest
Posted: Sun May 01, 2005 4:08 pm
I'm probably too harsh on _La Cienaga_. I think it does have
something to say about the adult generation's irresponsible
behavior leading to the children's accidents. But the ending
is so random it could be anyone dying and the effect would
have been the same.

Anyway, the NYT has an interesting article on Argentinian
directors and their interest in non-political movies this weekend...
Paul Gallagher
Posted: Fri May 20, 2005 6:45 pm
Guest
I finally saw _La Nina Santa_. It's an intelligent film, and Martel is
talented. I was impressed by her asymettrical compositions and her use
of offscreen sound -- but the film just wasn't especially exciting.

Paul
Sean O'Hara
Posted: Mon Jun 20, 2005 10:15 am
Guest
In the Year of the Cock, the Great and Powerful Bill Bonde ('by a
commodius vicus of recirculation') declared:
Quote:

Sean O'Hara wrote:

The Americanization of Emily with James Garner and Julie Andrews.

DVD for that seems to be 2005.


Yup, part of the Warners' Controversial Classics set.


--
Sean O'Hara | http://diogenes-sinope.blogspot.com
Curtis Mooney: Killer clowns, from outer space. Ho-ly shit!
-Killer Klowns from Outer Space
Guest
Posted: Tue Jun 28, 2005 3:22 pm
In _La Vie Promise_ Huppert acts as much with her legs as her face;
she has this wounded bambi look to her, a fish out of water in rural
France (how's that for mixed metaphors). I'd claim she's much better
and more honest in this than in _Time of the Wolf_ and especially
_The Piano Teacher_.

I really don't care for Dahan's _Crimson Rivers 2_. I think his
background
is art, not cinema. He has made lots of music videos. I have nothing
against the rapid edits of "music video" style if done well. I think
_La Vie Promise_ is well done. There are "music video" films I hate
too, including _Moulin Rouge_ (saw it for 10 minutes -- more than
I can stand), and _The Limey_. _The Limey_ should be an object
lesson of how *not* to do editing. It is so impressed with its visuals
it keeps coming back to the same shot, over and over again, going
absolultely nowhere. _La Vie Promise_ has this blink-and-you'll-miss
-my-beautiful-shot aesthetics to it. Then again you shouldn't trust
my judgement. I hate _Napoleon_ for the same reason I dislike _The
Limey_.

Paul, which is your favorite Huppert performance? I love her in
_The School of Flesh_, but when I saw it on video recently it wasn't
as impressive a film as on the big screen. She has been mesmerizing
in most recent films she has been in, even the middling ones (_Flowers
of Evil_ and _Les Destinies_). And she's great in _I Heart Huckabees_
too. It's her first U.S. film since Hal Hartley's _Amateur_.
Paul Gallagher
Posted: Wed Jun 29, 2005 3:57 pm
Guest
septimus@millenicom.com writes:


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Paul, which is your favorite Huppert performance? I love her in
_The School of Flesh_, but when I saw it on video recently it wasn't
as impressive a film as on the big screen. She has been mesmerizing
in most recent films she has been in, even the middling ones (_Flowers
of Evil_ and _Les Destinies_). And she's great in _I Heart Huckabees_
too. It's her first U.S. film since Hal Hartley's _Amateur_.

Her performances in _I Heart Huckabees_ and _Amateur_ didn't impress
me especially, not that they were bad; perhaps I just didn't care for the
characters.

Looking through IMDb, I've only seen a few of her films. I saw _8 femmes_
most recently, apart from _I Heart Huckabees_, and she was wonderful in that,
extremely entertainly. As a Pialat fan, I thought she was great in _Loulou_.

It's interesting -- I'm often think about a_f_b, I suppose -- how different
the responses on that group are. Several people on the list don't like Pialat,
don't like Chabrol -- thought they didn't comment specifically on Huppert's
roles in their films. They don't like _Deux_, which I loved, and in which I
thought Huppert gave a brave performance. I think brave is the right word.
It's sort of cliche in reviews, but it's right for her: she's fearless.

Yet there was a lot of enthusiasm for one film I deeply disliked when I
saw it about 20 years ago -- _Les valseuses_. Huppert's role in that
is small, however.

Paul
Guest
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 12:07 am
I've never seen _Les valseuses_ (didn't even know she was in it)
or _Loulou_, which I should catch, especially the latter. I agree
that in _Amateur_ and _I heart Huckabees_ she plays rather
stereotypical characters. But she apparently doesn't mind fitting
into the plot or the director's style. I remember she wrote to Hartley
and asked for a role in his films.

Don't have an ear for musical and I didn't much care for _8 femmes_.
Look forward to _Deux_ (not even sure that will turn up on DVD!).
Someone said he like the film on a_f_b and got an amazingly
condescending response, I thought!

I remember reading this NYT article, saying the reason
she has had such a long career is that early on she held
back and didn't let her emotions out! Maybe the piece
has a point. The really uninhibited actresses who act their
heart out (and act out in general) from the start, like Adjani
(or Romaine Bohringer -- is another good actress Sylvie
Testud doomed to follow that path?) seem to burn out
so much faster, at least in terms of their careers.
Guest
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2005 9:23 pm
was ... @hotmail.com wrote:

What are currently your 6 favorite
foreign
films and why ?



Why don't you start?
Guest
Posted: Thu Jul 07, 2005 9:45 pm
Paul Gallagher wrote:


Paul Gallagher

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I've been trying to think about to define 'humanism' in the cinema.
It might
be films centered on human values, that emphasize communication or
the need
for communication, where the film develops out of particular human
or social
characteristics or needs or values, and where the director
emphasizes a love for
humanity. It often means a cinema centered on actors. There might
also be an
emphasis on human freedom to some degree -- a humanist can't be a
fatalist.
That's just a first try at a definition. Renoir would be an
exemplary humanist.


That's an excellent point. I wouldn't know where to begin to define or
categorize such films either. They are still being made, but are just
ignored.
Andre Techine's _Strayed_ is probably my favorite example. (I
personally
prefer Techine to Renoir, to be honest.) The Film Comment critics
have turned the opposite direction and enshrine _Time of the Wolf_. Or
_Dogville_. Anything that has (a) artificial and irrelevant
controveries; and/or
(b) voyeuristic delectation of cruelity, humiliation, and
emotional/physical
brutality towards others. (_The Piano Teacher_, anything by von Trier,
_Demonlover_.) When I call it the age of American Idol in cinema,
that's
what I was trying to say.

These days I almost never feel enthusiastic about seeing a film
based on what critics say about it. The last time, believe it or not,
is _Sahara_.

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I suppose there is a shortage of humanism. There is a lot of sentimentality,
but that's not the same thing.

I agree, but it is too tempting for me to claim that humanist films
that I like
are humanist, those I don't like are sentimental, so I won't try to
make the
distinction.

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Apichatpong Weerasethakul's films might
qualify as humanist -- someone who's first goal is to understand people.

I just saw his first film, _Mysterious Objects at Noon_. Don't like it
too much.
I think the conception is good. The non-actors making up stories,
sometimes
dancing/singing to it, is a wonderful idea and brings out the ethnic
specificity
of Thailand. When it is time for the director to do his job (dramatize
these stories
they dream up), I think he fails. I don't think he managed to evoke
the stories-
within-the-film in any cinematically interesting way. Part of the
reason must
be the low budget, but others have worked on low budgets to create
interesting
styles and visual effects. (Maybe video camera is truly valuable
here!) What
really annoys me is the shot where he sticks the mike into the frame.
Wow!
Breaking down the fourth wall! Instant Art! (More like bankrupcy of
the
imagination.)

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I wonder whether Ferrara is a humanist. I suppose there could be an interesting
debate on a_f_b on that topic, with Brad Stevens arguing for Ferrara as
humanist and David Ehrenstein arguing that everything Ferrara does is distorted
by his heroin addiction. Who else? Maybe Almodovar? I'm not sure. The list
does seem short; faith in humanity is in short supply these days, maybe.

I'm tempted to put Almodovar in the sentimental cateogory, but that's a
pitfall
I should avoid. Have to think hard about Ferrara.
Paul Gallagher
Posted: Tue Jul 12, 2005 3:31 pm
Guest
In <1120794335.686516.157350@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> septimus@millenicom.com writes:

Quote:
have turned the opposite direction and enshrine _Time of the Wolf_. Or
_Dogville_. Anything that has (a) artificial and irrelevant
controveries; and/or
(b) voyeuristic delectation of cruelity, humiliation, and
emotional/physical
brutality towards others. (_The Piano Teacher_, anything by von Trier,
_Demonlover_.) When I call it the age of American Idol in cinema,
that's
what I was trying to say.

I haven't seen _The Piano Teacher_ or any of Haneke's films, so I've missed
out on all the discussion of the films.

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These days I almost never feel enthusiastic about seeing a film
based on what critics say about it. The last time, believe it or not,
is _Sahara_.

I'm the say way. In the past I've been in online debates with people who
thought that film critics were useless, and I would defend them, but now I find
I ignore critics. They don't play any role in what I see. That's partly because
so few new excellent films appear, and there are so few "reliable" critics.

Quote:
I agree, but it is too tempting for me to claim that humanist films
that I like
are humanist, those I don't like are sentimental, so I won't try to
make the
distinction.

I'm not sure how to make the distinction either, but it's not so hard to find
sentimentality, especially on televistion.

Paul
Guest
Posted: Wed Jul 13, 2005 7:24 pm
Paul Gallagher wrote:

Quote:
I'm the say way. In the past I've been in online debates with people who
thought that film critics were useless, and I would defend them, but now I find
I ignore critics. They don't play any role in what I see. That's partly because
so few new excellent films appear, and there are so few "reliable" critics.

I'm sure you still get much more out of reading film criticism than I
do.
I'm getting a knee-jerk aversion to much of current criticism. I
watched
_Secret Things_ on DVD recently. It turned out to be quite
interesting.
So I looked through my Film Comment stack to see what was said about
that film. I couldn't understand a word of the review before I saw the
film.
Well, I found the review and still couldn't understand one word of it!
It certainly has the buzz-words "communication" and the like, and I
suppose you string together enough of those you can get anything
published.
I was just deeply disappointed.

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I'm not sure how to make the distinction either, but it's not so hard to find
sentimentality, especially on televistion.

I'm even more bothered by the self-righteousness of police procedurals
than sentimentality! Particularly because I know someone wrongly
convicted
of a crime. I wonder if someone has studied the jury conviction rate
since
the advent of all those Law and Orders and CSI's. (For the record, the
latest Law and Order is actually quite well balanced and well done,
like the
early days of the original L&O.)
Paul Gallagher
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 3:45 pm
Guest
In <1121304287.430490.87880@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com> septimus@millenicom.com writes:

Quote:
I'm sure you still get much more out of reading film criticism than I
do.
I'm getting a knee-jerk aversion to much of current criticism. I
watched
_Secret Things_ on DVD recently. It turned out to be quite
interesting.
So I looked through my Film Comment stack to see what was said about
that film. I couldn't understand a word of the review before I saw the
film.
Well, I found the review and still couldn't understand one word of it!
It certainly has the buzz-words "communication" and the like, and I
suppose you string together enough of those you can get anything
published.
I was just deeply disappointed.

I don't remember that review. I'll have to look for it. I don't read Film
Comment often, and the critics often have sensibilities I don't particularly
understand. I think I've mentioned that I've spoken with several people
who very much dislike the Film Comment staff. You might have picked that up
from reading a_f_b also.

Quote:
I'm not sure how to make the distinction either, but it's not so hard to find
sentimentality, especially on televistion.

I'm even more bothered by the self-righteousness of police procedurals
than sentimentality! Particularly because I know someone wrongly
convicted
of a crime. I wonder if someone has studied the jury conviction rate
since
the advent of all those Law and Orders and CSI's. (For the record, the
latest Law and Order is actually quite well balanced and well done,
like the
early days of the original L&O.)

I haven't seens those programs. In some ways my first problem with TV shows
is formal: they just look so bad, particularly the overuse of handheld cameras
and close-ups. An example of weighing form vs. content might be Dragnet, which
is more than a little self-righteous but formally accomplished.

Paul
Guest
Posted: Thu Jul 14, 2005 8:21 pm
Paul Gallagher wrote:

Quote:
I don't remember that review. I'll have to look for it. I don't read Film
Comment often, and the critics often have sensibilities I don't particularly
understand. I think I've mentioned that I've spoken with several people
who very much dislike the Film Comment staff. You might have picked that up
from reading a_f_b also.

The change in editorship certainly affected its tone, I think. The
Gavin
Smith era seems to have a lot more foreign correspondents, which is
probably good. But overall it just doesn't excite me anymore. Maybe
that
has more to do with me than the magazine ....
Paul Gallagher
Posted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 8:34 pm
Guest
In <1121394100.538444.128800@g49g2000cwa.googlegroups.com> septimus@millenicom.com writes:


Quote:
The change in editorship certainly affected its tone, I think. The
Gavin
Smith era seems to have a lot more foreign correspondents, which is
probably good. But overall it just doesn't excite me anymore. Maybe
that
has more to do with me than the magazine ....

I don't find Film Comment particularly interesting. The foreign correspondents
are often the most interesting writers now, I think. Film Comment was once a
major influence on me. The issues from the 1970's were a large part of my
film education.

Something I noticed, and, if I remember correctly, Mike D'Angelo commented on
this in rec.arts.movies.past-films: a clear example of what's wrong with Film
Comment occured when the Farrelly's brother's _My, Myself, and Irene_ was put
on the cover, but at the same time the editor condescended to the film in his
editor's note. They're publishing what they think will sell, not what they want
they want to write about, and it shows. Whether we'd want to read what they
want to want to write about is another matter...

Paul
 
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