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| Jim Feeley |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 4:25 am |
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Hi everyone,
I've been in lurk mode for quite a while. But I think some of you
still remember me. I've been around since the beginning (actually
voted on David Barr Yaffe's proposal to create RAMPS). RAMPS remains a
valuable resource. But I noticed this morning something like 275 posts
since yesterday afternoon, and almost all of them--including replies
to legit posts--were from scam artists (I'm trying to choose words
that won't get this post filtered by various usenet readers).
Could be this is a temporary situation. But if it lasts long enough,
RAMPS will lose a lot of value.
Perhaps we could consider shifting over to a mailing list. I co-
moderate two lists, one for documentary filmmakers and another for
professional video editors. Each has around 1500 members. I've created
and moderated other mailing lists in the past. Moderation takes very
little effort on my part.
Mailing lists aren't a perfect alternative to usenet. But if this
group is filled with adverts and nefarious links, we could consider
moving the list, and I'd be willing to help do that.
Just a thought for now...But what do you all think?
Jim |
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| Guest |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:19 am |
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I'm on several other pro level lists and they are great, 0 spam or
unwanted junk content. I'd say if it doesn't go away shortly ( and I
doubt it will ) then moving to a mail list is a very good thing.
Steve Oakley |
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| Guest |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 7:42 am |
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Dear Frieds,
We have detected that some spammers have managed to break our security
systems.
We deeply apologize for this. We will try to improve our security and
meanwhile we are blocking all our outgoing posts.
Please, contact us as soon as you detect this kind of things and we
will try our best to solve them.
VisualNet.com has been serving the Film, TV and Video industries for
more than 10 years.
Best regards,
The VisualNet Team
administration@visualnet.com
On 11 mar, 18:11, "Charles Tomaras" <toma...@tomaras.com> wrote:
Quote: ste...@practicali.com> wrote in message
news:be45fc1d-8970-49df-805d-f870a635fe13@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
I'm on several other pro level lists and they are great, 0 spam or
unwanted junk content. I'd say if it doesn't go away shortly ( and I
doubt it will ) then moving to a mail list is a very good thing.
Steve Oakley
Well...it seems like it all came from one place in one short flurry so I
don't think it's a RAMPS breaker. There are plenty of mail lists and web
based forums out there...but I'd hate to see this Usenet group go away, or
it's dedicated posters siphoned off to some non Usenet moderated area.
Charles Tomaras
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| Scott |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:24 am |
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| Charles Tomaras |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:40 am |
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"Jim Feeley" <jfeeley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2c149825-a0ea-46e7-b59c-c7d87a7bc044@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Quote: Hi everyone,
I've been in lurk mode for quite a while. But I think some of you
still remember me. I've been around since the beginning (actually
voted on David Barr Yaffe's proposal to create RAMPS). RAMPS remains a
valuable resource. But I noticed this morning something like 275 posts
since yesterday afternoon, and almost all of them--including replies
to legit posts--were from scam artists (I'm trying to choose words
that won't get this post filtered by various usenet readers).
Could be this is a temporary situation. But if it lasts long enough,
RAMPS will lose a lot of value.
Perhaps we could consider shifting over to a mailing list. I co-
moderate two lists, one for documentary filmmakers and another for
professional video editors. Each has around 1500 members. I've created
and moderated other mailing lists in the past. Moderation takes very
little effort on my part.
Mailing lists aren't a perfect alternative to usenet. But if this
group is filled with adverts and nefarious links, we could consider
moving the list, and I'd be willing to help do that.
Just a thought for now...But what do you all think?
Jim
Well, considering the nefarious posts all seem to have come within a few
hours, I'd say let's just see what happens for the next few days. I'd also
say to everyone to ignore any of the posts about "you know who" who has the
same name as someone else posting and had been accused of being a false
poster. Whoever that is is not stable and could somehow lash out like this. |
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| Marc |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 9:40 am |
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| Larry Fisher |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:08 am |
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Hi Jim and Charlie,
The prognosis is not good. Karl Winkler here says a number of other
technical sites that he used to frequent have been destroyed by this
crap. Let's try to keep the name in the new function.
Best Regards,
Larry Fisher
Lectrosonics
On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:40:27 -0700, "Charles Tomaras"
<tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Jim Feeley" <jfeeley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2c149825-a0ea-46e7-b59c-c7d87a7bc044@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Hi everyone,
I've been in lurk mode for quite a while. But I think some of you
still remember me. I've been around since the beginning (actually
voted on David Barr Yaffe's proposal to create RAMPS). RAMPS remains a
valuable resource. But I noticed this morning something like 275 posts
since yesterday afternoon, and almost all of them--including replies
to legit posts--were from scam artists (I'm trying to choose words
that won't get this post filtered by various usenet readers).
Could be this is a temporary situation. But if it lasts long enough,
RAMPS will lose a lot of value.
Perhaps we could consider shifting over to a mailing list. I co-
moderate two lists, one for documentary filmmakers and another for
professional video editors. Each has around 1500 members. I've created
and moderated other mailing lists in the past. Moderation takes very
little effort on my part.
Mailing lists aren't a perfect alternative to usenet. But if this
group is filled with adverts and nefarious links, we could consider
moving the list, and I'd be willing to help do that.
Just a thought for now...But what do you all think?
Jim
Well, considering the nefarious posts all seem to have come within a few
hours, I'd say let's just see what happens for the next few days. I'd also
say to everyone to ignore any of the posts about "you know who" who has the
same name as someone else posting and had been accused of being a false
poster. Whoever that is is not stable and could somehow lash out like this.
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| Jay Rose |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:14 am |
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On 2008-03-11 10:40:27 -0400, "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> said:
.... I'd say let's just see what happens for the next few days.
I'd vote for that also. Usenet has incredible value. I'd hate to
sacrifice all the things that make this group good just because some
spammer is crawling through a list.
--
Jay Rose CAS
tutorials and other sound goodies at dplay.com
email is "jay@" plus the dot-com in the previous line. |
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| Courtney Goodin |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 10:24 am |
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This last flurry of spam all seems to be cross-posting from VisualNet.com.
Every one of the new spam messages has their tag on the end.
A flurry of phone calls to them may help. I haven't found a way to block
them based on the words VisualNet in the body of the text though.
Anyone know how to kill them based on message content? Outlook Express News
reader doesn't offer such a rule.
---Courtney
"Jim Feeley" <jfeeley@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:2c149825-a0ea-46e7-b59c-c7d87a7bc044@e23g2000prf.googlegroups.com...
Quote: Hi everyone,
I've been in lurk mode for quite a while. But I think some of you
still remember me. I've been around since the beginning (actually
voted on David Barr Yaffe's proposal to create RAMPS). RAMPS remains a
valuable resource. But I noticed this morning something like 275 posts
since yesterday afternoon, and almost all of them--including replies
to legit posts--were from scam artists (I'm trying to choose words
that won't get this post filtered by various usenet readers).
Could be this is a temporary situation. But if it lasts long enough,
RAMPS will lose a lot of value.
Perhaps we could consider shifting over to a mailing list. I co-
moderate two lists, one for documentary filmmakers and another for
professional video editors. Each has around 1500 members. I've created
and moderated other mailing lists in the past. Moderation takes very
little effort on my part.
Mailing lists aren't a perfect alternative to usenet. But if this
group is filled with adverts and nefarious links, we could consider
moving the list, and I'd be willing to help do that.
Just a thought for now...But what do you all think?
Jim |
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| Charles Tomaras |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 12:11 pm |
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<steveo@practicali.com> wrote in message
news:be45fc1d-8970-49df-805d-f870a635fe13@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com...
Quote: I'm on several other pro level lists and they are great, 0 spam or
unwanted junk content. I'd say if it doesn't go away shortly ( and I
doubt it will ) then moving to a mail list is a very good thing.
Steve Oakley
Well...it seems like it all came from one place in one short flurry so I
don't think it's a RAMPS breaker. There are plenty of mail lists and web
based forums out there...but I'd hate to see this Usenet group go away, or
it's dedicated posters siphoned off to some non Usenet moderated area.
Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA |
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| Richard Crowley |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 1:07 pm |
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"Jim Feeley" wrote (from Google Groups)...
Quote: Hi everyone,
I've been in lurk mode for quite a while. But I think some of you
still remember me. I've been around since the beginning (actually
voted on David Barr Yaffe's proposal to create RAMPS). RAMPS
remains a valuable resource. But I noticed this morning something
like 275 posts since yesterday afternoon, and almost all of them--
including replies to legit posts--were from scam artists (I'm trying
to choose words that won't get this post filtered by various usenet
readers).
The same trash hit several of the other newsgroups I read.
These things come and go as a consequence of the openness
and immediacy of Usenet newsgroups. The sky is not falling.
There are no calls for mass exodus in other newsgroups. This
sort of phenomenon is transient and rare.
To be honest, after seeing the same trash in the other news-
groups I read before coming to this one, I didn't even notice
the messages you are referring to. I just sub-consciously
filter out the obviously out-of-place messages and skip
over them without a second glance.
Note that using a real newsreader client and an NNTP server
(vs. Google Groups website) makes it much easier to ignore
and skip over the trash you are objecting to. Google Groups
web portal is a last-resort method of accessing Usenet news-
groups and is NOT representative of how Usenet works.
Quote: Could be this is a temporary situation. But if it lasts long
enough, RAMPS will lose a lot of value.
It has never lasted more than a day or two in my experience
with dozens of Usenet newsgroups. It is too early to talk
about pulling the plug. None of the alternatives are as
efficient and convienent as NNTP.
Quote: Perhaps we could consider shifting over to a mailing list. I co-
moderate two lists, one for documentary filmmakers and another for
professional video editors. Each has around 1500 members. I've created
and moderated other mailing lists in the past. Moderation takes very
little effort on my part.
Distribution by email is OK for very small volume, but it
would be a killer for a forum like this one (and most of the
other audio and video related newsgroups I read daily).
I have opted out of some other forums that switched to
email. Usenet is so much more efficient than email lists
that at least to me it is worth putting up with the occasional
spam storm, at least IMHO.
How many messages per day to you moderate (vs. the
volume of legitimate messages on this NG per day)?
Would it still be "very little effort"? Some other quite
useful moderated newsgroups (like rec.video.pro) are
now dead because the moderators couldn't keep up
with the task. Others require a significant overhead
of managing panels of moderators to keep up with the
volume and turnaround times. I was just solicited for
membership on an appeals committee. Yuck! Do
we really need that kind of intrigue? Isn't it easier to
just ignore the trash?
Quote: Mailing lists aren't a perfect alternative to usenet. But if this
group is filled with adverts and nefarious links, we could
consider moving the list, and I'd be willing to help do that.
Just a thought for now...But what do you all think?
It may be necessary at some point, but I think it is premature
today. Email lists are a not a substitute for Usenet newgroups.
It is even worse today than 30 years ago when Usenet
newsgroups were invented as an adjunct to email. |
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| Stacy Brownrigg, CAS |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 2:03 pm |
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On Mar 11, 6:06 pm, Jeff Wexler <j...@jwsound.net> wrote:
Quote: In article
30a30cf7-64dd-4236-b22c-1135ebb72...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <sc...@farroutpro.com> wrote:
Why not set up this site run likehttp://jwsound.net/SMF/index.phpas
I havent seen any spam there
I like r.a.m.p.s. as a true usenet group and I also mention that a real
newsgroup reader client is a big help (rather than using a web portal
like Google). I will also add that my Discussion Group at jwsound.net is
a forum-type group which probably would not serve those who desire a
newsgroup like the present r.a.m.p.s. The reason for very little or no
spam on my group is that it is a members only group. You have to sign up
to be able to post anything and the signup procedure has a few security
measures in place --- nothing radical but it does prevent auto-posting
spam and so forth. Also, ultimately I moderate everything, even the
membership, so it doesn't get out of control. Lastly, my Discussion
Group, besides being fairly spam-free, has a somewhat different focus
and tone than r.a.m.p.s. --- that's why I like to participate in both
(as I know many others do as well).
Regards, Jeff Wexler
There are a lot of cross posts from here to Wexler/Deva/Lectro/etc
sites. Like most here, I visit each every day. None attract me more
than others, until a site is loaded with poop. At that point, I close
that tab and go to the next one. If we can't stop it with google, I
think everyone will go to Wexler/Deva/Lectro/etc sites. Is that bad? I
don't think so.
Wexler in '09 !!!
Stacy Brownrigg, CAS |
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| Jeff Wexler |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 6:06 pm |
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In article
<30a30cf7-64dd-4236-b22c-1135ebb729a1@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <scott@farroutpro.com> wrote:
I like r.a.m.p.s. as a true usenet group and I also mention that a real
newsgroup reader client is a big help (rather than using a web portal
like Google). I will also add that my Discussion Group at jwsound.net is
a forum-type group which probably would not serve those who desire a
newsgroup like the present r.a.m.p.s. The reason for very little or no
spam on my group is that it is a members only group. You have to sign up
to be able to post anything and the signup procedure has a few security
measures in place --- nothing radical but it does prevent auto-posting
spam and so forth. Also, ultimately I moderate everything, even the
membership, so it doesn't get out of control. Lastly, my Discussion
Group, besides being fairly spam-free, has a somewhat different focus
and tone than r.a.m.p.s. --- that's why I like to participate in both
(as I know many others do as well).
Regards, Jeff Wexler |
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| Douglas Tourtelot |
Posted: Tue Mar 11, 2008 8:10 pm |
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There are a lot of pretty valuable resources here on RAMPS that don't
frequent JW's site. Both are good but I would mourn the loss of either.
The stink will go away if we don't respond; not once.
D.
"Stacy Brownrigg, CAS" <stacysound@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:4d7fd75e-662f-4fac-b1f1-468b751175fc@n36g2000hse.googlegroups.com...
On Mar 11, 6:06 pm, Jeff Wexler <j...@jwsound.net> wrote:
Quote: In article
30a30cf7-64dd-4236-b22c-1135ebb72...@h11g2000prf.googlegroups.com>,
Scott <sc...@farroutpro.com> wrote:
Why not set up this site run likehttp://jwsound.net/SMF/index.phpas
I havent seen any spam there
I like r.a.m.p.s. as a true usenet group and I also mention that a real
newsgroup reader client is a big help (rather than using a web portal
like Google). I will also add that my Discussion Group at jwsound.net is
a forum-type group which probably would not serve those who desire a
newsgroup like the present r.a.m.p.s. The reason for very little or no
spam on my group is that it is a members only group. You have to sign up
to be able to post anything and the signup procedure has a few security
measures in place --- nothing radical but it does prevent auto-posting
spam and so forth. Also, ultimately I moderate everything, even the
membership, so it doesn't get out of control. Lastly, my Discussion
Group, besides being fairly spam-free, has a somewhat different focus
and tone than r.a.m.p.s. --- that's why I like to participate in both
(as I know many others do as well).
Regards, Jeff Wexler
There are a lot of cross posts from here to Wexler/Deva/Lectro/etc
sites. Like most here, I visit each every day. None attract me more
than others, until a site is loaded with poop. At that point, I close
that tab and go to the next one. If we can't stop it with google, I
think everyone will go to Wexler/Deva/Lectro/etc sites. Is that bad? I
don't think so.
Wexler in '09 !!!
Stacy Brownrigg, CAS |
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| Marc Wielage |
Posted: Wed Mar 12, 2008 1:31 am |
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On Tue, 11 Mar 2008 07:25:41 -0700, Jim Feeley commented:
Quote: I noticed this morning something like 275 posts
since yesterday afternoon, and almost all of them--including replies
to legit posts--were from scam artists (I'm trying to choose words
that won't get this post filtered by various usenet readers).
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It's not that hard to set up filters that will get rid of 90% of the spam and
crap. I agree, though, it's an annoyance, but this is one of the prices you
pay for the total freedom of speech on Usenet.
The only true way to combat this would be to form a moderated group, where
each and every message has to be approved by a human (or at least under a
very smart bot), and those require lots of time and effort to run.
--MFW |
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