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StormChaser
Posted: Wed Feb 06, 2008 7:03 pm
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The crushing smash of the foot of 16:9
forever flattened 4:3.

The fist raising, finger-throwing revenge may be
in this Sharp REAliS SX7 SXGA projector.

http://www.projectorcentral.com/canon_realis_sx7_review.htm

Since 4:3 screens are slowly being replaced
by 16:9 or 2:35.1 where will the 4:3 be displayed?

A projector this bright and clear could revive the square
masterpieces we all treasure.

There is nothing more smouldering than a B/W close-up
of Betty Davis with a cigarette dangling from her lips and
a fragile expression on her face on a 10 ft screen.

Mark


(...except a nitrate print of her doing the same.)
peterh5322
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 1:17 am
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On 2008-02-06 21:03:37 -0800, StormChaser <ringprint@surfglobal.net> said:

Quote:
Since 4:3 screens are slowly being replaced
by 16:9 or 2:35.1 where will the 4:3 be displayed?

1.33:1 squeezed 2X, slightly blown-up, and printed full height within a
2.35:1 frame, for best illumination, or 1.33:1, significantly
blown-down and printed within the 1.85:1 frame which is itself a subset
of 1.33:1.

Of course, 1.33:1 is really 1.37:1 for sound, but it is really 1.33:1
for silent.
--
CinemaScope® - The Modern Miracle You See Without Special Glasses!
--
Peter
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:13 am
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peterh5322 <peterh5322@rattlebrain.comminch> wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-02-06 21:03:37 -0800, StormChaser <ringprint@surfglobal.net> said:

Since 4:3 screens are slowly being replaced
by 16:9 or 2:35.1 where will the 4:3 be displayed?

1.33:1 squeezed 2X, slightly blown-up, and printed full height within a
2.35:1 frame, for best illumination, or 1.33:1, significantly
blown-down and printed within the 1.85:1 frame which is itself a subset
of 1.33:1.

Of course, 1.33:1 is really 1.37:1 for sound, but it is really 1.33:1
for silent.

However, it will be cropped to 1.33:1 for video, or masked into the
godawful 1:1.78 "16:9" fomrat that is currently fashionable for video
but is incompatible with any standard film format.
--scott


--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Kimba W Lion
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 10:41 am
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StormChaser <ringprint@surfglobal.net> wrote:

Quote:
The crushing smash of the foot of 16:9
forever flattened 4:3.

Funny... My 16:9 TV does 4:3 just fine.

I don't get your point. If you have separate screen and projector, then
your screen is X inches high, and it will display a 4:3 picture X inches
high. W:H ratio of the screen is irrelevant. Any physical screen cannot be
a perfect fit for all available program material. You make the most of the
space you have and then you watch the picture, not the blank area.
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 11:48 am
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Kimba W Lion <kimbawlion> wrote:
Quote:
StormChaser <ringprint@surfglobal.net> wrote:

The crushing smash of the foot of 16:9
forever flattened 4:3.

Funny... My 16:9 TV does 4:3 just fine.

I don't get your point. If you have separate screen and projector, then
your screen is X inches high, and it will display a 4:3 picture X inches
high. W:H ratio of the screen is irrelevant. Any physical screen cannot be
a perfect fit for all available program material. You make the most of the
space you have and then you watch the picture, not the blank area.

Which is why we have curtains and masking.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
StormChaser
Posted: Thu Feb 07, 2008 6:31 pm
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On Feb 7, 12:17 am, peterh5322 <peterh5...@rattlebrain.comminch>
wrote:
Quote:
On 2008-02-06 21:03:37 -0800, StormChaser <ringpr...@surfglobal.net> said:

Since 4:3 screens are slowly being replaced
by 16:9 or 2:35.1 where will the 4:3 be displayed?

1.33:1 squeezed 2X, slightly blown-up, and printed full height within a
2.35:1 frame, for best illumination, or 1.33:1, significantly
blown-down and printed within the 1.85:1 frame which is itself a subset
of 1.33:1.

Of course, 1.33:1 is really 1.37:1 for sound, but it is really 1.33:1
for silent.
--
CinemaScope® - The Modern Miracle You See Without Special Glasses!
--
Peter

Yep, Peter.
except no one looks at the soundtrack.
So it is 1.33:1.

Besides, you grew up with the Academy Ratio.
You're just going to ditch it for the 16:9
blonde bimbo down the street?

Mark
(Screens were brighter in the 1920's because
they had not yet been perforated with holes
for sound.)
Fredrik Sandstrom
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 2:25 am
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StormChaser <ringprint@surfglobal.net> writes:

Quote:
On Feb 7, 12:17 am, peterh5322 <peterh5...@rattlebrain.comminch
wrote:
Of course, 1.33:1 is really 1.37:1 for sound, but it is really 1.33:1
for silent.

Yep, Peter.
except no one looks at the soundtrack.
So it is 1.33:1.

No, the _picture_ is 1.37:1 (Academy ratio).

--
Fredrik Sandström
fs@iki.fi
J. Theakston
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 11:49 am
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On Feb 7, 11:31 pm, StormChaser <ringpr...@surfglobal.net> wrote:
Quote:
Besides, you grew up with the Academy Ratio.
You're just going to ditch it for the 16:9
blonde bimbo down the street?

Mark
(Screens were brighter in the 1920's because
they had not yet been perforated with holes
for sound.)

What? Are you being ironic?

Almost every theatrical film in the last 50 years has been wide, so
what does it matter? You and I who watch films made from before 1980
are the minority, so what say do we have?

J. Theakston
StormChaser
Posted: Fri Feb 08, 2008 4:50 pm
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On Feb 8, 4:49 pm, "J. Theakston" <tomservoro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 7, 11:31 pm, StormChaser <ringpr...@surfglobal.net> wrote:

Besides, you grew up with the Academy Ratio.
You're just going to ditch it for the 16:9
blonde bimbo down the street?

Mark
(Screens were brighter in the 1920's because
they had not yet been perforated with holes
for sound.)

What? Are you being ironic?

Almost every theatrical film in the last 50 years has been wide, so
what does it matter? You and I who watch films made from before 1980
are the minority, so what say do we have?

J. Theakston

Actually, I was referring to the television screen.
(Not the part in parenthesis of course).
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 11:10 am
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J. Theakston <tomservorobot@yahoo.com> wrote:
Quote:
On Feb 7, 11:31 pm, StormChaser <ringpr...@surfglobal.net> wrote:
Besides, you grew up with the Academy Ratio.
You're just going to ditch it for the 16:9
blonde bimbo down the street?

What? Are you being ironic?

Almost every theatrical film in the last 50 years has been wide, so
what does it matter? You and I who watch films made from before 1980
are the minority, so what say do we have?

Widescreen films are NOT 16:9, or even close. Most are wider than that,
and they have to either be cropped or letterboxed to fit properly on the
newfangled 16:9 video format.

16:9 is somewhere in-between modern "flat" and "scope" film formats and
it is not right for either.
--scott
--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
Peter
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 3:43 pm
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On 2008-02-09 07:10:39 -0800, kludge@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) said:

Quote:
16:9 is somewhere in-between modern "flat" and "scope" film formats and
it is not right for either.

16:9 is 1.7777...

1.75, the closest standard film A/R, was popular in Europe, and with a
few American producers, but it eventually died-out in favor of 1.66:1
and 1.85:1

Many films were shot with 1.66:1 plates for both 1.66:1 and 1.85:1
presentations. 1.37:1 was impossible, of course, for these hard-matted
(in the camera) productions, unless these were letterboxed, as they
often were for television release.
--
CinemaScope®: The Modern Miracle You See without Special Glasses!
--
Peter
StormChaser
Posted: Sat Feb 09, 2008 6:20 pm
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On Feb 9, 10:10 am, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Quote:
J. Theakston <tomservoro...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Feb 7, 11:31 pm, StormChaser <ringpr...@surfglobal.net> wrote:
Besides, you grew up with the Academy Ratio.
You're just going to ditch it for the 16:9
blonde bimbo down the street?

What? Are you being ironic?

Almost every theatrical film in the last 50 years has been wide, so
what does it matter? You and I who watch films made from before 1980
are the minority, so what say do we have?

Widescreen films are NOT 16:9, or even close. Most are wider than that,
and they have to either be cropped or letterboxed to fit properly on the
newfangled 16:9 video format.

16:9 is somewhere in-between modern "flat" and "scope" film formats and
it is not right for either.
--Scott
--
"Cuesta un Nagra. Crest suisse, et tres, tres precis."

That may be true but the term 16:9 is not for us but rather the
retailers
who needed a phrase that the proletariat could understand and retain.
Not an easy task.
Scott Dorsey
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 10:10 am
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StormChaser <ringprint@surfglobal.net> wrote:
Quote:

That may be true but the term 16:9 is not for us but rather the
retailers
who needed a phrase that the proletariat could understand and retain.
Not an easy task.

So call it 1:1.78.
--scott

--
"C'est un Nagra. C'est suisse, et tres, tres precis."
J. Theakston
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:16 am
Guest
On Feb 9, 10:10 am, klu...@panix.com (Scott Dorsey) wrote:
Quote:
Widescreen films are NOT 16:9, or even close. Most are wider than that,
and they have to either be cropped or letterboxed to fit properly on the
newfangled 16:9 video format.

Seeing as about half of the films shot these days are for 1.85, I
doubt that 1.78 (which is 16x9) really makes that much of a difference
in composition. And if someone really cares, they can always mask a
sliver on the image on the top and bottom.

Quote:
16:9 is somewhere in-between modern "flat" and "scope" film formats and
it is not right for either.

Wrong. It's a ratio that's actually less than both.

J. Theakston
J. Theakston
Posted: Sun Feb 10, 2008 11:20 am
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On Feb 9, 2:43 pm, Peter <peterh5...@rattlebrain.comminch> wrote:
Quote:
Many films were shot with 1.66:1 plates for both 1.66:1 and 1.85:1
presentations. 1.37:1 was impossible, of course, for these hard-matted
(in the camera) productions, unless these were letterboxed, as they
often were for television release.

Or zoomed in on, as many 16mm prints (and later telecine transfers)
were.

The actual hard matte on most films is about 1.5, to accommodate for
continental screens that were less than 1.85, but I've seen a number
of US productions that were matted to 1.8 or so, leaving other cinemas
not able to do anything but close up their masking.

J. Theakston
 
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