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three-eyed freak
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:47 am
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Watched this on TCM last night and I was surprised by the sudden
appearance of green lightening during the storm scene near the end.
Is this version not often shown, as I don't remember ever seeing color
before.

Also I read somewhere that Selznick had the AR enlarged during this
scene for more powerful effect on the audience.

Anybody know about this?
Theo Gluck
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 10:11 pm
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In article
<619bb4aa-c585-4af9-9df4-325bccb52e11@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
three-eyed freak <terrence.oreilly@shps.com> wrote:

Quote:
Watched this on TCM last night and I was surprised by the sudden
appearance of green lightening during the storm scene near the end.
Is this version not often shown, as I don't remember ever seeing color
before.

Also I read somewhere that Selznick had the AR enlarged during this
scene for more powerful effect on the audience.

Anybody know about this?


Yes. The storm sequence was shown originally with green effects. And I
believe I too read in the Ron Haver book on Selznick about some sort of
"Magnascope" apparatus to increase picture size during projection.

Theo
Studio City, CA
Martin Hart
Posted: Sat Feb 02, 2008 4:02 am
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In article <619bb4aa-c585-4af9-9df4-325bccb52e11
@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, terrence.oreilly@shps.com says...
Quote:
Watched this on TCM last night and I was surprised by the sudden
appearance of green lightening during the storm scene near the end.
Is this version not often shown, as I don't remember ever seeing color
before.

Also I read somewhere that Selznick had the AR enlarged during this
scene for more powerful effect on the audience.

Anybody know about this?


Selznick introduced a major increase in screen size, the greenish
tinting, and even an ersatz surround sound system during the storm
sequence.

Marty
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Ultrascope
Posted: Sun Feb 03, 2008 7:47 am
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There was a good description of the JENNY roadshow presentation
(larger screen, multichannel sound etc) in Ronald Haver's book DAVID
O. SELZNICK'S HOLLYWOOD. My copy has been lost, but maybe someone can
look it up. Took has an impressive still frame of the final panoramic
view.
Martin Hart
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 1:37 am
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In article <4940133b-867a-433b-ad1c-
30e9bae6e2ec@v46g2000hsv.googlegroups.com>, ultrascope@gmx.de says...
Quote:
There was a good description of the JENNY roadshow presentation
(larger screen, multichannel sound etc) in Ronald Haver's book DAVID
O. SELZNICK'S HOLLYWOOD. My copy has been lost, but maybe someone can
look it up. Took has an impressive still frame of the final panoramic
view.


I have a spare copy of "David O. Selznick's Hollywood" that I'd be glad
to sell. Shipping charges to Germany are a bit of a problem.

Marty
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http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/
J. Theakston
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:17 am
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On Feb 2, 3:02 am, Martin Hart <oldtornp...@nospam.net> wrote:
Quote:
In article <619bb4aa-c585-4af9-9df4-325bccb52e11
@i3g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>, terrence.orei...@shps.com says...

Watched this on TCM last night and I was surprised by the sudden
appearance of green lightening during the storm scene near the end.
Is this version not often shown, as I don't remember ever seeing color
before.

Also I read somewhere that Selznick had the AR enlarged during this
scene for more powerful effect on the audience.

Anybody know about this?

Selznick introduced a major increase in screen size, the greenish
tinting, and even an ersatz surround sound system during the storm
sequence.

I've never heard of the sound system before. Do you have a source for
this? Scott MacQueen made a Dolby stereo mix for the last reel for
repertory prints (in an effort to make up for the Magnascope effect
that nobody will do these days), but as far as I know, that was a
recent addition to the film.

Magnascope was the invention of Lorenzo del Riccio. It's not a
widescreen process. It's simply a magnification of the normal sized
image opening up to a larger screen for dramatic moments in a
picture. Del Riccio did invent a widescreen process in the late '20s
called MAGNAFILM, but there is no relation between the two processes
physically.

The last reel of PORTRAIT OF JENNY was tinted green and amber, but not
physically tinted-- the whole last reel is printed by Technicolor in
dye-transfer.

J. Theakston
Neil Midkiff
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:49 pm
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J. Theakston wrote:

Quote:
Magnascope was the invention of Lorenzo del Riccio. It's not a
widescreen process. It's simply a magnification of the normal sized
image opening up to a larger screen for dramatic moments in a
picture.

But what did exhibitors do if their ordinary screen filled the theatre
proscenium? Project the "dull parts" of the picture on something less than the
full screen area, then only fill the screen at the specified dramatic times?

I'm a frequent patron of the Stanford Theatre in Palo Alto, California, built in
1925, and its proscenium nicely frames a screen in an approximately 4:3 ratio,
with only a small amount of masking. Using Magnascope there could only spill
the image over onto the walls, unless something like the suggestion in my second
sentence above was done.

-Neil Midkiff
Martin Hart
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 8:53 pm
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In article <d709ffdb-ca13-46a5-b928-
8b0b5a6d00be@j20g2000hsi.googlegroups.com>, tomservorobot@yahoo.com
says...


<SNIP>

Quote:
On Feb 2, 3:02 am, Martin Hart <oldtornp...@nospam.net> wrote:
Selznick introduced a major increase in screen size, the greenish
tinting, and even an ersatz surround sound system during the storm
sequence.

I've never heard of the sound system before. Do you have a source for
this? Scott MacQueen made a Dolby stereo mix for the last reel for
repertory prints (in an effort to make up for the Magnascope effect
that nobody will do these days), but as far as I know, that was a
recent addition to the film.

Haver discusses the sound system in "David O. Selznick's Hollywood". I
never experienced any of this stuff myself, being of a far too tender
age.

Marty
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The American WideScreen Museum
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/
in Technicolor®
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:10 pm
Guest
I actually saw this title run at the Stanford Theatre about 15 years ago.
It was a gorgeous print. I do not remember any green tinting, but I vividly
remember the Technicolor portrait at the end.

Morgan


"Neil Midkiff" <nmidkiff@earthlink.net> wrote in message
news:13qfckjjf4hm29a@corp.supernews.com...
Quote:
J. Theakston wrote:

Magnascope was the invention of Lorenzo del Riccio. It's not a
widescreen process. It's simply a magnification of the normal sized
image opening up to a larger screen for dramatic moments in a
picture.

But what did exhibitors do if their ordinary screen filled the theatre
proscenium? Project the "dull parts" of the picture on something less
than the full screen area, then only fill the screen at the specified
dramatic times?

I'm a frequent patron of the Stanford Theatre in Palo Alto, California,
built in 1925, and its proscenium nicely frames a screen in an
approximately 4:3 ratio, with only a small amount of masking. Using
Magnascope there could only spill the image over onto the walls, unless
something like the suggestion in my second sentence above was done.

-Neil Midkiff
Steve Kraus
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 10:48 pm
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Quote:
I have a spare copy of "David O. Selznick's Hollywood" that I'd be glad
to sell. Shipping charges to Germany are a bit of a problem.

First you'd have to disclose if it's the original version (with the fancy
copper simulated King Kong program page) or the "now at popular prices"
version. I have only the latter. Magnificent book either way.
peterh5322
Posted: Mon Feb 04, 2008 11:55 pm
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On 2008-02-04 18:48:09 -0800, Steve Kraus
<screen@SPAMBLOCKfilmteknik.com> said:

Quote:
First you'd have to disclose if it's the original version (with the fancy
copper simulated King Kong program page) or the "now at popular prices"
version. I have only the latter. Magnificent book either way.

Almost all copies are the "remaindered", "popular prices" edition, not
the original edition.

There are at least the 1980 and 1988 editions.

The first edition likely costs $70 or more.

The popular-priced editions cost as little as $2.
--
CinemaScope® - The Modern Miracle You See Without Special Glasses!
--
Peter
Martin Hart
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:05 am
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In article <13qfjj93o3nft26@corp.supernews.com>,
screen@SPAMBLOCKfilmteknik.com says...
Quote:
I have a spare copy of "David O. Selznick's Hollywood" that I'd be glad
to sell. Shipping charges to Germany are a bit of a problem.

First you'd have to disclose if it's the original version (with the fancy
copper simulated King Kong program page) or the "now at popular prices"
version. I have only the latter. Magnificent book either way.


Magnificent indeed. There's even a third version, which was my
introduction to the full book in the first place. It's "David O.
Selznick's 'Gone With The Wind'". It's just the GWTW material from the
larger book and it still manages to be quite a hefty tome.

Marty
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http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/
Martin Hart
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:06 am
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In article <2008020419555116807-peterh5322@rattlebraincomminch>,
peterh5322@rattlebrain.comminch says...
Quote:
On 2008-02-04 18:48:09 -0800, Steve Kraus

The popular-priced editions cost as little as $2.

Not at my house, they don't.

Marty
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The American WideScreen Museum
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/
peterh5322
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 1:37 am
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On 2008-02-04 21:06:32 -0800, Martin Hart <thanksforthe@spam.org> said:

Quote:

The popular-priced editions cost as little as $2.

Not at my house, they don't.

Understood, but I recently picked up the first edition, without dust
jacket, for $5.98
--
CinemaScope® - The Modern Miracle You See Without Special Glasses!
--
Peter
J. Theakston
Posted: Tue Feb 05, 2008 5:21 am
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On Feb 4, 7:49 pm, Neil Midkiff <nmidk...@earthlink.net> wrote:
Quote:
But what did exhibitors do if their ordinary screen filled the theatre
proscenium? Project the "dull parts" of the picture on something less than the
full screen area, then only fill the screen at the specified dramatic times?

I'm a frequent patron of the Stanford Theatre in Palo Alto, California, built in
1925, and its proscenium nicely frames a screen in an approximately 4:3 ratio,
with only a small amount of masking. Using Magnascope there could only spill
the image over onto the walls, unless something like the suggestion in my second
sentence above was done.

Magnascope wasn't for every neighborhood theater, as I take it. It
was for the big-city houses that had ample space, and extra space for
a larger screen, like NY's Rivoli.

It's because of this that, like I said, not everyone can or will do
this effect. It was being done into at least 1953, as I recall, with
films like NIAGARA.

J. Theakston
 
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