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Darren
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:35 pm
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I saw two films at two different movie palaces. Both opened the curtains
then started the film.

What is the proper way to do this?

I think that starting the film then opening the curtsins gives a more
dramatic effect.

Who is right?


Darren
J. Theakston
Posted: Sat Jan 26, 2008 11:35 pm
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On Jan 26, 11:49 pm, "Lincoln Spector" <notmyr...@address.com> wrote:
Quote:
"Darren" <dnemet...@charter.net> wrote in message

news:h1Tmj.130$uZ.127@newsfe05.lga...>I saw two films at two different movie palaces. Both opened the curtains
then started the film.

What is the proper way to do this?

I think that starting the film then opening the curtsins gives a more
dramatic effect.

That's how it's supposed to be done. But so few theaters have curtains these
days that the operators don't always know the procedure.

Expanding on this-- the idea is that your screen is never exposed
unless there's something being projected onto it.

J. Theakston
Lincoln Spector
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 12:49 am
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"Darren" <dnemeth01@charter.net> wrote in message
news:h1Tmj.130$uZ.127@newsfe05.lga...
Quote:
I saw two films at two different movie palaces. Both opened the curtains
then started the film.

What is the proper way to do this?

I think that starting the film then opening the curtsins gives a more
dramatic effect.
That's how it's supposed to be done. But so few theaters have curtains these

days that the operators don't always know the procedure.

Lincoln
Neil Midkiff
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 1:40 am
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Darren wrote:
Quote:
I saw two films at two different movie palaces. Both opened the curtains
then started the film.

What is the proper way to do this?

I think that starting the film then opening the curtsins gives a more
dramatic effect.

I've been told that showing a blank screen to the audience was always considered
a breach of etiquette in the classic days of movie palaces. A blank white
rectangle also would look out of place amid the exotic decorations of the rest
of the auditorium, which were an important part of the filmgoing experience.

We're lucky to have the chance to see it done absolutely right at the Stanford
Theatre in Palo Alto.

http://stanfordtheatre.org/stf/

The heavy red curtain opens (an "Austrian" curtain rising upward) to reveal
lighter-weight beige curtains, on which the projection begins with the studio
logo. The lighter curtains then open in the middle (traveling horizontally from
the center to the sides) to reveal the screen as the main title begins.

-Neil Midkiff
Peter
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 2:18 pm
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On 2008-01-26 20:49:23 -0800, "Lincoln Spector" <notmyreal@address.com> said:

Quote:
What is the proper way to do this?

I think that starting the film then opening the curtsins gives a more
dramatic effect.
That's how it's supposed to be done. But so few theaters have curtains these
days that the operators don't always know the procedure.

The curtain should begin opening at the last black frame of the
Twentieth Century-Fox Film Corp logo, and should be as nearly fully
opened as possible by the first note of the horns in the Fox Fanfare.
The operator should "lead" this point by several frames.

It is AGAINST THE LAW for the curtain not to be fully open during the
dissolve to the A CinemaScope Production/Picture extension.
--
CinemaScopeŽ: The Modern Miracle You See without Special Glasses!
--
Peter
Martin Hart
Posted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 6:00 pm
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In article <h1Tmj.130$uZ.127@newsfe05.lga>, dnemeth01@charter.net
says...
Quote:
I saw two films at two different movie palaces. Both opened the curtains
then started the film.

What is the proper way to do this?

I think that starting the film then opening the curtsins gives a more
dramatic effect.

Who is right?


Darren



Here's way more than you ever wanted to know about the use of the
curtain in a real theatre, or here at my house.

http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/widescreen/roadshow_presentation.htm
or
http://tinyurl.com/2btsve

Marty
G Bell
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 12:55 am
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"Lincoln Spector" <notmyreal@address.com> writes:


Quote:
"Darren" <dnemeth01@charter.net> wrote in message
news:h1Tmj.130$uZ.127@newsfe05.lga...
I saw two films at two different movie palaces. Both opened the curtains
then started the film.

What is the proper way to do this?

I think that starting the film then opening the curtsins gives a more
dramatic effect.
That's how it's supposed to be done. But so few theaters have curtains these
days that the operators don't always know the procedure.

Filmhouse in Edinburgh open the curtains as the opening logo or
calssification certicate is showing which I think is the right place.
They shut them after the adverts and previews, which catches younger
people out who start sniggering thinking the management have made a
boo-boo! Also it lets them move the black screen covering so the screen
is the proper size for the aspect ratio of the film they are showing.
Hate the multiplexes where you have excess screen to the sides when showing
a non-2.35:1 ratio film.

Graham
veyoung
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 6:35 pm
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For my money, it all depends on the theatre AND the film.

Theatre Example: William Goldman's Midtown theatre in Philly installed 70mm
projection in late 1955 and ran the first three Todd-AO features as
full-blown all-seats-reserved, 10-shows-weekly, advanced-prices roadshow
events without benefit of any curtains or masking whatsoever....screen too
large. Same with the Times Square Paramount after the VistaVision install,
although during that period no films were actually "roadshown" there, it was
nevertheless a first-run "class" "premiere" venue. Both houses displayed
color light effects on their otherwise blank screens.

Film Example: I wonder how theatres handled (or mishandled) "Duel In The
Sun" in 1946 which had both a Prelude AND an overture, the latter being
mostly music, but which also included off-screen narration by Orson Welles
whose famous booming voice could have possibly been diluted by layers of
curtain fabric. Did anybody open and/or raise the curtains then?




"Darren" <dnemeth01@charter.net> wrote in message
news:h1Tmj.130$uZ.127@newsfe05.lga...
Quote:
I saw two films at two different movie palaces. Both opened the curtains
then started the film.

What is the proper way to do this?

I think that starting the film then opening the curtsins gives a more
dramatic effect.

Who is right?


Darren

Guest
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2008 9:56 am
The original post made no mention of the films being shown - I have
mentioned in a previous post that many contemporary films either begin
w/o logos or titles or have important sound effects (musical or
otherwise) during the logos; I personally would not ever show a blank
screen even if the logos contained important material - figure out
some way around it (not being a projectionist I am not sure what that
would be).

As for not ever showing a blank screen: at the long gone Harford
Loew's Poli there would sometimes be previews in CScope. The curtain
would be closed, lighted, & opened and lights faded for the 'flat'
preview, then closed and opened for the scope preview; while closed
the masking for the scope preview would have been dropped. As the
scope preview ended the curtains were again closed, the masking
raised, then opened for the flat preview. As the previews ended,
regardless of the AR of the coming feature, the curtains would be
closed, lighted, and opened again and the lights faded, with of course
the scope masking being dropped if necessary. I have no idea how much
of this was done either backstage or in the booth or some combination
thereof and I sometimes wondered if guys were bumping into each other!
Scott Norwood
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:58 am
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In article <o2a1q3l0gmgdfr9fvejgf8nfg933fj8n10@4ax.com>,
<Roo@theatresupport.com> wrote:
Quote:

Dunno about the Hartford theatre, but in at least some of the grand
old dames, scope masking did move up and down. The theatre design was
for the old academy ratio, and there was even a problem fitting
wide-screen, and then scope exacerbated the problem.

Top masking appears to have been popular in neighborhood and
small-town theatres from the beginning of Cinemascope. I've worked
in several like this. A 1.66:1 (more-or-less) proscenium seems to
have been common. One actually had a 1.75:1 screen installed circa
1955 with top and side masking for scope (the sides only moved out
by about a foot, and moved in for Academy). This was redone a few
years ago and I belive that it is now a common-height system.

--
Scott Norwood: snorwood@nyx.net, snorwood@redballoon.net
Cool Home Page: http://www.redballoon.net/
Lame Quote: Penguins? In Snack Canyon?
Scott Norwood
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:59 am
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In article <MPG.220a4c13e5e872309896a4@newsgroups.comcast.net>,
Martin Hart <oldtornperf@nospam.net> wrote:
Quote:

Just a minor correction. The 'scope screen maskings moved in and out,
not up and down. The method of presentation that you describe was used
by virtually every theatre, regardless of size, in the U.S. until
General Cinema Corporation showed everyone how to save money. A dozen
blue flood lamps cost considerably less than fifty feet of drapes.

....until someone realized that the company could save even more money
by dispensing with the blue lamps and just showing advertising slides
on the screen between shows....

--
Scott Norwood: snorwood@nyx.net, snorwood@redballoon.net
Cool Home Page: http://www.redballoon.net/
Lame Quote: Penguins? In Snack Canyon?
Martin Hart
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 10:56 am
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In article <8bcdb23a-fc35-4a00-9808-
7bbefa4d747b@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, ep45guy@yahoo.com says...


<SNIP>

Quote:
As for not ever showing a blank screen: at the long gone Harford
Loew's Poli there would sometimes be previews in CScope. The curtain
would be closed, lighted, & opened and lights faded for the 'flat'
preview, then closed and opened for the scope preview; while closed
the masking for the scope preview would have been dropped. As the
scope preview ended the curtains were again closed, the masking
raised, then opened for the flat preview. As the previews ended,
regardless of the AR of the coming feature, the curtains would be
closed, lighted, and opened again and the lights faded, with of course
the scope masking being dropped if necessary. I have no idea how much
of this was done either backstage or in the booth or some combination
thereof and I sometimes wondered if guys were bumping into each other!

Just a minor correction. The 'scope screen maskings moved in and out,
not up and down. The method of presentation that you describe was used
by virtually every theatre, regardless of size, in the U.S. until
General Cinema Corporation showed everyone how to save money. A dozen
blue flood lamps cost considerably less than fifty feet of drapes.

Marty
--
The American WideScreen Museum
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/
Scott Norwood
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 11:10 am
Guest
In article <jM6dnXwfw-vzez3anZ2dnUVZ_t_inZ2d@rcn.net>,
Robert DiMucci <rdimucci@erols.com> wrote:
Quote:

Sadly, about half of modern multiplexes are designed this way, with the
result that academy-ratio films are shown on larger screens than scope
films.

Agreed that there is no excuse for this in a new build. I was referring
to venues which were designed and built prior to 1950, where there were
no other options when they converted to show widescreen and scope formats.

The worst example of this that I have seen in a new (well, ten years ago)
venue is one that uses a common _width_ screen, so Academy is about twice
as tall as scope. This is a college and not a commercial venue, but it's
still pretty bad.

--
Scott Norwood: snorwood@nyx.net, snorwood@redballoon.net
Cool Home Page: http://www.redballoon.net/
Lame Quote: Penguins? In Snack Canyon?
Guest
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:47 pm
On Wed, 30 Jan 2008 08:56:23 -0600, Martin Hart
<oldtornperf@nospam.net> wrote:

Quote:
In article <8bcdb23a-fc35-4a00-9808-
7bbefa4d747b@q77g2000hsh.googlegroups.com>, ep45guy@yahoo.com says...


SNIP

As for not ever showing a blank screen: at the long gone Harford
Loew's Poli there would sometimes be previews in CScope. The curtain
would be closed, lighted, & opened and lights faded for the 'flat'
preview, then closed and opened for the scope preview; while closed
the masking for the scope preview would have been dropped. As the
scope preview ended the curtains were again closed, the masking
raised, then opened for the flat preview. As the previews ended,
regardless of the AR of the coming feature, the curtains would be
closed, lighted, and opened again and the lights faded, with of course
the scope masking being dropped if necessary. I have no idea how much
of this was done either backstage or in the booth or some combination
thereof and I sometimes wondered if guys were bumping into each other!

Just a minor correction. The 'scope screen maskings moved in and out,
not up and down. The method of presentation that you describe was used
by virtually every theatre, regardless of size, in the U.S. until
General Cinema Corporation showed everyone how to save money. A dozen
blue flood lamps cost considerably less than fifty feet of drapes.

Marty

Dunno about the Hartford theatre, but in at least some of the grand
old dames, scope masking did move up and down. The theatre design was
for the old academy ratio, and there was even a problem fitting
wide-screen, and then scope exacerbated the problem. Since there was
no spare real estate at the sides, scope masking had to trim the top
and/or bottom to present the proper aspect ratio. IIRC, one of the
Lamb designed theatres where I projected had this system.
Robert DiMucci
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 5:04 pm
Guest
Scott Norwood wrote:
Quote:
In article <o2a1q3l0gmgdfr9fvejgf8nfg933fj8n10@4ax.com>,
Roo@theatresupport.com> wrote:

Dunno about the Hartford theatre, but in at least some of the grand
old dames, scope masking did move up and down. The theatre design was
for the old academy ratio, and there was even a problem fitting
wide-screen, and then scope exacerbated the problem.


Top masking appears to have been popular in neighborhood and
small-town theatres from the beginning of Cinemascope. I've worked
in several like this. A 1.66:1 (more-or-less) proscenium seems to
have been common. One actually had a 1.75:1 screen installed circa
1955 with top and side masking for scope (the sides only moved out
by about a foot, and moved in for Academy). This was redone a few
years ago and I belive that it is now a common-height system.

Sadly, about half of modern multiplexes are designed this way, with the

result that academy-ratio films are shown on larger screens than scope
films.
 
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