I have to record a scene with dialogue between 2 characters set in a gym
shower area. They will not be clothed as far as I know, so obviously I
cannot use Lavs, so which shotgun would you recommend to reduce room
reverb
the most?
Oh, and shooting 2 miniDV cameras at the same time, medium and CU.

Would you guys also recommend putting up multiple sound blankets on
C-Stands?
Not sure if one camera will be doing 270 degree coverage. it will be on a
"glidecam".

Thanks,

kspaz

I have to record a scene with dialogue between 2 characters set in a gym
shower area. They will not be clothed as far as I know, so obviously I
cannot use Lavs, so which shotgun would you recommend to reduce room
reverb
the most?
Oh, and shooting 2 miniDV cameras at the same time, medium and CU.

Would you guys also recommend putting up multiple sound blankets on
C-Stands?
Not sure if one camera will be doing 270 degree coverage. it will be on a
"glidecam".

Thanks,

kspaz

No reason why you can't use a Schoeps. I do it all the time. Check out
the
shower scene in 'House of D' opening the Tribeca Film festival this week.

Maybe it's just my personal preference, but I find that the rear pickup
lobe
on interference tube microphones (the 416, 816, Neumann KMR82, etc)
magnifies the 'boominess' of a reverberant room. I love those mics, but
in
a gym or locker room (or shower scene) I'd go with the Schoeps hyper head.
I've heard some folks like the little Neumann cardiod in those situations
too, but the one time I tried one, I went right back to my Schoeps.
Billy

But Shoeps are notorious for going down in Humid environments.

"Courtney Goodin" <cmgoodin@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:_zvkc.58124$ao3.33427@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...

But Shoeps are notorious for going down in Humid environments.

I've said it a million times. If you keep the contacts reasonably clean
there are no humidity problems.
Billy

Hello All
If your going into a humid enviroment, You may want to try putting a
NON-LUBED condom on the mic....
Thoughts anyone ????

Allen Sklar
Audio By Allen LLC
Tempe AZ

"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<IJvkc.7390$wY.3401@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>...
"Courtney Goodin" <cmgoodin@pacbell.net> wrote in message
news:_zvkc.58124$ao3.33427@newssvr25.news.prodigy.com...

But Shoeps are notorious for going down in Humid environments.

I've said it a million times. If you keep the contacts reasonably clean
there are no humidity problems.
Billy

"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Usjkc.40846$2v.4865@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...

No reason why you can't use a Schoeps. I do it all the time. Check out

the

shower scene in 'House of D' opening the Tribeca Film festival this week.


Everyone has different tastes in Mics, And if you love the Shoeps sound you
could certainly try them.
But Shoeps are notorious for going down in Humid environments. They may work
great for a while, but I would have a backup plan of a Sennheiser if they
suddenly transition into Snap crackle Pop hell.

Courtney Goodin wrote:
Schoeps mics work in humid conditions. You have to do actual MAINTENANCE
on them
from time to time though. The concentric connectors between
capsule/cut1/preamp/etc have to be cleaned once in a while. Atmospheric
dirt,
fog machine products, etc will seep into the connector. When it gets damp
[humidity] the dirt becomes a series resistor, and adds noise to the
circuit.
Just clean your dang mic once in a while ;-p
I'm stayin' out of the rest of this thread...

Best,
John

This is always the problem when you ask anyone for a preference in

...sigh. I'll give The Speech again. I have used Schoeps mics
successfully in many humid environments from coast to coast and beyond.
Last night [and the night before] I was in el Yunque, the Carribbean
National Forest, recording Coquis with a matched Schoeps pair. Saturday
about the time I was set up to roll the sky opened up. Earlier in the
day I was in the rain forest with an archaeologist and my Schoeps
hypercardioid. It was hot. It was humid. It rained. No Problems.

Schoeps mics work in humid conditions. You have to do actual MAINTENANCE
on them from time to time though. The concentric connectors between
capsule/cut1/preamp/etc have to be cleaned once in a while. Atmospheric
dirt, fog machine products, etc will seep into the connector. When it
gets damp [humidity] the dirt becomes a series resistor, and adds noise
to the circuit. Just clean your dang mic once in a while ;-p

I second John's comments. Any of the main mics we use (Schoeps, Sennheisers
and Neumanns) will do a great job. I usually favor the Schoeps because of
its modular system and extremely convenient accessories such as the GVC
swivel mount. It's usually my first call mic, but I have no qualms about
going to any of my other mics if the situation calls for it. So I am not
writing based on my particular love of the Schoeps sound over any other
comprable mic, (and I do not work for, represent, take kickbacks from, or in
any way have anything to do with the Schoeps company or any of it's dealers
except for giving them large gobs of money on occasion), but I've seen many
posts here from people saying that Schoeps mics crap out in high humidity.
That is just not true. There is minimal (and I mean minimal, like once a
year) maintanence required. That's the price for having a modular system.
If you don't need that flexibility, you'll do very well with the other mics.
But the Schoeps require a little care. If you give it to them they're very
dependable. As I mentioned in other posts, the only time I switch to other
mics is out of rfi necessity (usually when I'm being hit by a modulus video
transmitter that comes within inches of the mic).

Courtney mentioned that the cause of the humidity interference is dampness
on the mic capsule. It's a reasonable explanation, but it's not accurate.
If it were so it would apply to every condenser mic every time it got damp.
Maybe John and I (and many others I know) are extremely lucky or have
magical sets of Schoeps. It's not a bad idea though to have any condenser
mic capsule cleaned by the factory every 3-4 years. While all capsules are
protected by fine wire meshes, over time, dust, film smoke, fullers earth,
hairspray, and numerous other film set contaminants will settle on the
capsule and muddy the sound.

Most of us don't think twice about mic problems, because we carry pretty
large inventories. If a mic starts to misbehave for any reason we ask for a
quick 'time out' and swap it. If you're a younger mixer with a small
budget, the question is probably 'which mic' for starters. This thread has
probably given you a lot to chew on.

btw, any users of the Schoeps non-modular systems out there? The CCM's?
Since they don't have interchangeable heads, how are they performing in
harsh conditions (include harsh rf?). Just curious. I haven't worked with
them.

All the best,
Billy Sarokin

"G. John Garrett, CAS" <jgarrett@world.std.comREMOVE> wrote in message
news:c76v1b$91t$1@pcls4.std.com...

Courtney Goodin wrote:
Schoeps mics work in humid conditions. You have to do actual MAINTENANCE

This is always the problem when you ask anyone for a preference in
microphones. It is like the Coke vs Pepsi or MAC vs PC comparison. There
are passionate people that like each type of microphone for whatever
reasons they deem important to them. Their reasons or preference may be
completely different from those of another person. So you will never get a
definitive answer.
I am just indicating my personal preference based on the sound of the mic to
My ears in My setup. "Your mileage may vary".

The conductivity of the Shoeps contacts in the capsule connector can be a
source of noise, but that is not what we are talking about when the capsule
fails in humid conditions. Condensation on the diaphragm shorts out or
changes the capacitance of the microphone enough to render it un-usable. It
doesn't happen with all shoeps capsules, so John has had good luck with his.
But the problems I warned of have nothing to do with maintenance of the
removable capsule contacts.

The contacts have been a problem since the original design of the
interchangeable head mics back in the 70's. The little metal contacts in
the nylon guides in the pre-amp side of the connector were just gold plated
with a thin coat of gold. Since the concentric rings on the capsule grind
across this contact everytime you screw on and off a new capsule, the
plating wears off eventually leaving a nickel surface contacting the gold of
the capsule rings.

It is now known that an electrical current passing through these dis-similar
metals will promote oxidation and corrosion. and the different metals
combined with the patina of corrosion becomes an erratic capacitor of its
own, regardless of how "Clean" you try to keep them. In fact "cleaning"
them with solvent based cleaners can further erode the plating. When that
starts, you need to replace the contacts in the Preamp. "cleaning" will
only temporarily improve the contacts until the solvent evaporates and the
erratic conductivity returns.

Courtney mentioned that the cause of the humidity interference is dampness
on the mic capsule. It's a reasonable explanation, but it's not accurate.
If it were so it would apply to every condenser mic every time it got damp.
Maybe John and I (and many others I know) are extremely lucky or have
magical sets of Schoeps. It's not a bad idea though to have any condenser
mic capsule cleaned by the factory every 3-4 years. While all capsules are
protected by fine wire meshes, over time, dust, film smoke, fullers earth,
hairspray, and numerous other film set contaminants will settle on the
capsule and muddy the sound.