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Oleg Kaizerman
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 4:56 pm
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that's a grate time to change for US brand :-)

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Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
Quote:
only complain a little. Same problem with Audio Ltd stuff here in the US.
In Europe it costs 1/2 of what it does here. It's a good thing my rates
have doubles in the last couple of years...

.... I hope nobody believed that last line...
Billy :-(

Eric Toline
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 6:23 pm
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Re: shotgun for shower scene

Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Mon, May 10, 2004, 10:43pm
(EDT+4) From: bigmaho@verizon.net (William Sarokin)

It's a good thing my rates have doubles in the last couple of years...
.... I hope nobody believed that last line... Billy
Sad<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Not in this lifetime Billy.

Eric
Frank Kruse
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:06 am
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The Schoeps guys told me that for the vast majority the problem is a
non-issue. I, myself have never experienced this to be honest. So they
donīt want to call this a official issue. Thatīs why he didnīt want to
tell me a price tag for the mod also becuase he was an enigineer and
not a sales dept- guy. He said it will not cost as much as buying a
new cmc-6 but will be more than free. He also said that the RF-issue
came up at he same time as "particular zaxcom machines entered the
market". I guess he ment either the digital wireless or the deva. So I
guess this issue happend to recordists that while using schoeps mic
exposed heavy RF similar to a GSM phone close to the mic (wireless
boom). He said that they had major problems even creating the
described effect in their lab. They had to buy very expensive RF and
HF- generators that generate huge fields that you usually never
encounter in reality just to find out what complaining people where
talking about. The new version of the cmc-6 is even better than a
competitorīs mix that they knew had a very good reputation for
RF-imunity (guess what mix he was talking about).

frank.

"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message news:<5MudnfKFC_gyfALd4p2dnA@comcast.com>...
Quote:
"Frank Kruse" <frank@wildtrax.de> wrote in message
news:96ec8d22.0405100753.57188440@posting.google.com...
the people at the Schoeps booth told me that *all* new CMC-6 are
extremely RF-tight. You can ID them by the gold plated bottom when you
look at the XLR connector. They could do a modification for old CMC-6
modules but with a possible high pricetag because they have to replace
the whole electronics. Also the RF-proofing has only be done to the
CMC-6.

frank.

You'd think they might give existing owners a bit of a price break
considering it's a fix for their own engineering failings and they aren't
even changing the model number.
Frank Kruse
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 5:11 am
Guest
Maybe it helps you calm down by saying that over here almost every US
product is more expensive that in the states allthough the euro is so
strong. for example the fr2 has a street price of 1200$ here it costs
1500euro.
I guess thatīs simply the rules of the market. Makes no sense to
protest about prices. If I find something too expensive I simply donīt
buy it.

frank.

"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<uATnc.25800$vz5.9440@nwrdny01.gnilink.net>...
Quote:
"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message > You'd think they
might give existing owners a bit of a price break
considering it's a fix for their own engineering failings and they aren't
even changing the model number.

It's funny, I bought all my Schoeps stuff when the one distributor was
charging list price, take it or leave it. Then they changed distributors
and the price dropped in half, but I didn't buy any because I had all I
needed. Now I want to buy one of the new ones and the price is back where
it started. Kind of funny. I've gotten my money's worth though, so I can
only complain a little. Same problem with Audio Ltd stuff here in the US.
In Europe it costs 1/2 of what it does here. It's a good thing my rates
have doubles in the last couple of years...

.... I hope nobody believed that last line...
Billy Sad
William Sarokin
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 8:44 am
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"Frank Kruse" <frank@wildtrax.de> wrote in message
news:96ec8d22.0405110306.40d78339@posting.google.com...
Quote:
The Schoeps guys told me that for the vast majority the problem is a
non-issue.

Grrrr...... I've had the problem for years with video transmitters and neon
lights.

.. He also said that the RF-issue
Quote:
came up at he same time as "particular zaxcom machines entered the
market". I guess he ment either the digital wireless or the deva.

The Zaxcom brought it to a head because when the problem was only with video
xtrs you could move the video transmitter. In scenes with Neon lights I had
to switch to Sennheisers, but they were few and far between. The Digital
transmitters raised the ante because it was an either/or situation.

Quote:
He said that they had major problems even creating the
described effect in their lab. They had to buy very expensive RF and
HF- generators that generate huge fields that you usually never
encounter in reality just to find out what complaining people where
talking about.

.... GRRRR!!!!! Not true. I went to Zaxcom and we were able to duplicate
the problem with a common AM signal generator. That's when we realized that
the problem wasn't just with the Zaxcom transmitters. The Schoeps were very
sensitive to AM RFI (which includes AM radio, video transmission, neon
lightsm etc). AM signal generators are very common on the surplus market
for $300+. Of course you can spend up to $100,000 for the ultimate in test
gear, but I contacted Schoeps and told them their mics were sensitive to AM
rfi at -60db, modulated with a 1k tone at 300-800 mHz. And they're not
'huge fields' (!), we're talking <10 mw (that's less then 10/millionths of a
watt). Here's a link to all they needed to diagnose the problem (for
$500!). I'm surprised they didn't have one already.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25407&item=3814331744&rd=1

Funny, a few threads back I was passionately supporting Schoeps. Now....
Anyway, I'm glad they fixed the problem. They had to. There was a weakness
in their mics that would have cost them market share. They should be
thanking Zaxcom (and actually, me) for identifying it for them and bringing
it to their attention.

And thanks Frank for passing on their comments from AES/Berlin and for your
other reports.

Billy Sarokin
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 11:32 am
Guest
"Frank Kruse" <frank@wildtrax.de> wrote in message
news:96ec8d22.0405110306.40d78339@posting.google.com...
Quote:
The Schoeps guys told me that for the vast majority the problem is a
non-issue. I, myself have never experienced this to be honest. So they
donīt want to call this a official issue. Thatīs why he didnīt want to
tell me a price tag for the mod also becuase he was an enigineer and
not a sales dept- guy. He said it will not cost as much as buying a
new cmc-6 but will be more than free. He also said that the RF-issue
came up at he same time as "particular zaxcom machines entered the
market".

I can honestly say I've had occasional RF issues over the years with my
Schoeps CMC6's when I have been near large RF sources. I just wrote it off
as part of doing business until the Zaxcom stereo transmitter brought it to
the forefront for me and I realized it's only going to get worse as time
passes.

Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA
Frank Kruse
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 12:56 pm
Guest
yes AM was the problem. I forgot to mention that. The Schoeps man told
me that they mainly checked for FM and couldnīt find much and then
switched to AM where they found the issue. Anyway, itīs fixed now.
Remember that *only* the CMC-6 models have this special treatment.

frank.

"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<AF5oc.29966$L8.21899@nwrdny02.gnilink.net>...
Quote:
"Frank Kruse" <frank@wildtrax.de> wrote in message
news:96ec8d22.0405110306.40d78339@posting.google.com...
The Schoeps guys told me that for the vast majority the problem is a
non-issue.

Grrrr...... I've had the problem for years with video transmitters and neon
lights.

. He also said that the RF-issue
came up at he same time as "particular zaxcom machines entered the
market". I guess he ment either the digital wireless or the deva.

The Zaxcom brought it to a head because when the problem was only with video
xtrs you could move the video transmitter. In scenes with Neon lights I had
to switch to Sennheisers, but they were few and far between. The Digital
transmitters raised the ante because it was an either/or situation.

He said that they had major problems even creating the
described effect in their lab. They had to buy very expensive RF and
HF- generators that generate huge fields that you usually never
encounter in reality just to find out what complaining people where
talking about.

... GRRRR!!!!! Not true. I went to Zaxcom and we were able to duplicate
the problem with a common AM signal generator. That's when we realized that
the problem wasn't just with the Zaxcom transmitters. The Schoeps were very
sensitive to AM RFI (which includes AM radio, video transmission, neon
lightsm etc). AM signal generators are very common on the surplus market
for $300+. Of course you can spend up to $100,000 for the ultimate in test
gear, but I contacted Schoeps and told them their mics were sensitive to AM
rfi at -60db, modulated with a 1k tone at 300-800 mHz. And they're not
'huge fields' (!), we're talking <10 mw (that's less then 10/millionths of a
watt). Here's a link to all they needed to diagnose the problem (for
$500!). I'm surprised they didn't have one already.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=25407&item=3814331744&rd=1

Funny, a few threads back I was passionately supporting Schoeps. Now....
Anyway, I'm glad they fixed the problem. They had to. There was a weakness
in their mics that would have cost them market share. They should be
thanking Zaxcom (and actually, me) for identifying it for them and bringing
it to their attention.

And thanks Frank for passing on their comments from AES/Berlin and for your
other reports.

Billy Sarokin
Jim Rillie
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:03 pm
Guest
William Sarokin wrote:

Quote:
"

" we're talking <10 mw (that's less then 10/millionths of a
watt)"
Billy Sarokin


Typo William?

Jim Rillie

Quote:




William Sarokin
Posted: Tue May 11, 2004 7:43 pm
Guest
ooops, 10/1000. sorry. Still slightly less than 'huge'. My bad.
Billy

"Jim Rillie" <jrillie@ns.sympatico.ca> wrote in message
news:5Ieoc.17672$dr1.484592@news20.bellglobal.com...
Quote:


William Sarokin wrote:

"

" we're talking <10 mw (that's less then 10/millionths of a
watt)"
Billy Sarokin


Typo William?

Jim Rillie






=Rob€rto
Posted: Wed May 12, 2004 1:04 pm
Guest
On 11 May 2004 04:11:43 -0700, frank@wildtrax.de (Frank Kruse) wrote:

Quote:
Maybe it helps you calm down by saying that over here almost every US
product is more expensive that in the states allthough the euro is so
strong. for example the fr2 has a street price of 1200$ here it costs
1500euro.
I guess thatīs simply the rules of the market. Makes no sense to
protest about prices. If I find something too expensive I simply donīt
buy it.

Import it yourself, simple. I know a lot of mixers who order their
gear over the Internet, straight from the US.

Works very well, especially with bigger amounts :-)

R







--
Http://www.xs4all.nl/~tuig/index.html
Frank Kruse
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 4:46 am
Guest
downside is that dependig on the product you will pay high customs on
web-orders, also you will not get service on grey-imports etc. If I
buy a product here (germany) the law grants me 2 years of full
warrantee. I prefer to support my lokal dealer is the price is fair.

frank.

=Rob?rto <schand@paal.com> wrote in message news:<46t4a0550fs9v2unr77nhs1hpdmjg1inhq@4ax.com>...
Quote:
On 11 May 2004 04:11:43 -0700, frank@wildtrax.de (Frank Kruse) wrote:

Maybe it helps you calm down by saying that over here almost every US
product is more expensive that in the states allthough the euro is so
strong. for example the fr2 has a street price of 1200$ here it costs
1500euro.
I guess thatīs simply the rules of the market. Makes no sense to
protest about prices. If I find something too expensive I simply donīt
buy it.

Import it yourself, simple. I know a lot of mixers who order their
gear over the Internet, straight from the US.

Works very well, especially with bigger amounts :-)

R
Pietari Koskinen
Posted: Thu May 13, 2004 6:51 am
Guest
Frank Kruse wrote:
Quote:
downside is that dependig on the product you will pay high customs on
web-orders

But not more than the "official" importer pays anyway.

Quote:
also you will not get service on grey-imports etc.

Not local warranty service, that's sure. But you get all the other paid
service of course (at least here).

Pietari
Frank Kruse
Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 5:40 am
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Pietari Koskinen <pietari.koskinen@welho.com> wrote in message news:<40A36F4B.5040806@welho.com>...
Quote:
Frank Kruse wrote:
downside is that dependig on the product you will pay high customs on
web-orders

But not more than the "official" importer pays anyway.

Thatīs what I mean! So why buy in the US in the first place?

Quote:

also you will not get service on grey-imports etc.

Not local warranty service, that's sure. But you get all the other paid
service of course (at least here).

I donīt want to pay for service if the warranty hasnīt expired yet.

Frank.
Oleg Kaizerman
Posted: Fri May 14, 2004 6:08 am
Guest
Quote:
Thatīs what I mean! So why buy in the US in the first place?

usually if you don't wont to be robed ,you buy the US( and sometimes

japanis ) gear in states , if you have to pay taxes and shipment its the
same tax and shipping you are paying to your local distributor and since
there is no competition for the same product you pay fortune for his e mail
bill , never sow European distributors charging less even the $ went down
40% in last 2 years . the same is for European products which on US market
that's the beauty of free triad Smile
if you have foliar with the equip its cost you shipping back ,if not -you
can go to vacation on money you saved

of course there is always exceptions , dissent local dealer , damping prices
, or just laziness

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Oleg Kaizerman (gebe) Hollyland
 
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