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| Brad Harper |
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 4:14 pm |
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Oh, it's cheaper than you could go to Germany for a month.
Brad
Quote: And after a particularly bad environmental experience, one of them will
take an
expensive German vacation..
John
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| Courtney Goodin |
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 7:07 pm |
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"G. John Garrett, CAS" <jgarrett@world.std.comREMOVE> wrote in message
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Quote: William Sarokin wrote:
Courtney mentioned that the cause of the humidity interference is
dampness
on the mic capsule. It's a reasonable explanation, but it's not
accurate.
If it were so it would apply to every condenser mic every time it got
damp.
Maybe John and I (and many others I know) are extremely lucky or have
magical sets of Schoeps.
Well, for every Schoeps user that claims they have never had any problems
with their mic's in humid conditions you can find another user that has had
to switch to Sennheisers when their favorite Schoeps went south in the
jungle. Like I said, not all capsules are vulnerable, it depends on the
gap, the age of the diaphragm and the humidity. But the Sennheiser RF
condensers never seem to have a problem in high humidity situations. That
is because they work on a completely different principal than the Standard
Condenser mic (Sennheiser's MKH series use RF FM Modulation using the
capsule's varying capacitance to modulate an RF carrier). They were
designed to eliminate the problems of lowered impedance between the
Diaphragm and the backplane because of high humidity. See Hugh Robjohns'
"Brief History of the Microphone" at
http://www.rycote.com/products/pdf/A%20Brief%20History%20of%20Microphones.pdf
for a more complete explination.
And I firmly believe that it is not the capsule contacts that cause the
problem in high humidity. In fact when my MK41 or MK5 contacts are acting
up I unscrew them and breathe on them to allow moisture to condense and
improve their conductivity. This clears up the problem for a while till they
dry out.
and John, congratulations on your "Magic Set of Six". you are a lucky devil.
---Courtney |
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| William Sarokin |
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 7:45 pm |
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I surrender  |
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| Brad Harper |
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 8:42 pm |
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Well to get back to the original question, I would not use a shotgun for an
interior surrounded by tile. It compleately negates the directional
caracteristics of the interference tube. I would instead use a cardioid or
hyper-cardioid; Schoeps, Sennheiser, Neumann, AKG or whatever your
preference.
Brad Harper
"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message
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| Nick |
Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 12:11 am |
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"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message
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btw, any users of the Schoeps non-modular systems out there? The CCM's?
Since they don't have interchangeable heads, how are they performing in
harsh conditions (include harsh rf?). Just curious. I haven't worked
with
them.
I use CCM's and I have not encountered any humidity problems over the years
even in harsh environments. I have, however, suffered from serious RF
problems lately. Especially working in and around the microsoft campus,
their is an ever increasing amount of wireless data flying around everywhere
and I can hear it in every one of my condenser mics except a 416. I wonder
if the schoeps RF immunity mod will be an option for the CMM's. I bet there
is not even one millimeter of free space inside that housing... So probably
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| Kurt Albershardt |
Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 12:32 am |
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Nick wrote:
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I use CCM's and I have not encountered any humidity problems over the years
even in harsh environments. I have, however, suffered from serious RF
problems lately. Especially working in and around the microsoft campus,
their is an ever increasing amount of wireless data flying around everywhere
and I can hear it in every one of my condenser mics except a 416. I wonder
if the schoeps RF immunity mod will be an option for the CCM's.
I am VERY interested in an answer to this question. |
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| William Sarokin |
Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 10:36 am |
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"Nick" <none@none.com> wrote in message>
Quote: I use CCM's and I have not encountered any humidity problems over the
years
even in harsh environments. I have, however, suffered from serious RF
problems lately.
I contacted Schoeps about your question and received this response:
Dear Mr. Sarokin,
regarding RF sensitivity the CCM series lies in between the former CMC6
series and the actual series that has started delivery from first of May on.
So the need for an emprovement is not such as with the CMC6.
We will devellop the next version of the CCM series as well but we can not
tell yet when this will take place.
With best wishes
Bernhard Vollmer
SCHOEPS GmbH
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Hi Mr Vollmer,
There have been a few queries on RAMPS about the CCM series. Will the same
'fix' be applied to those microphones?
Billy Sarokin |
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| G. John Garrett, CAS |
Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 9:56 pm |
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Courtney Goodin wrote:
Quote: Well, for every Schoeps user that claims they have never had any problems
with their mic's in humid conditions you can find another user that has had
Now you're exaggerating.
Quote: to switch to Sennheisers when their favorite Schoeps went south in the
jungle. Like I said, not all capsules are vulnerable, it depends on the
gap, the age of the diaphragm and the humidity. But the Sennheiser RF
condensers never seem to have a problem in high humidity situations. That
is because they work on a completely different principal than the Standard
Condenser mic (Sennheiser's MKH series use RF FM Modulation using the
capsule's varying capacitance to modulate an RF carrier). They were
designed to eliminate the problems of lowered impedance between the
Diaphragm and the backplane because of high humidity. See Hugh Robjohns'
"Brief History of the Microphone" at
http://www.rycote.com/products/pdf/A%20Brief%20History%20of%20Microphones.pdf
for a more complete explination.
And I firmly believe that it is not the capsule contacts that cause the
problem in high humidity. In fact when my MK41 or MK5 contacts are acting
up I unscrew them and breathe on them to allow moisture to condense and
improve their conductivity. This clears up the problem for a while till they
dry out.
and John, congratulations on your "Magic Set of Six". you are a lucky devil.
I went probably 10 years with my first Schoeps and no problems with humidity.
Then it began giving me fits. When I cleaned the contacts, the problem went
away. A few years later I had another capsule start fizzing and it had been on a
very smoky set for quite a while. I sent it off to get the ultrasonic dip n
dunk, and its been fine ever since too. So I don't think its luck, but some do
call me a devil ;-p
Best,
John |
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| Nick |
Posted: Thu May 06, 2004 11:04 pm |
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"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Nick" <none@none.com> wrote in message
I use CCM's and I have not encountered any humidity problems over the
years
even in harsh environments. I have, however, suffered from serious RF
problems lately.
I contacted Schoeps about your question and received this response:
Dear Mr. Sarokin,
regarding RF sensitivity the CCM series lies in between the former CMC6
series and the actual series that has started delivery from first of May
on.
So the need for an emprovement is not such as with the CMC6.
We will devellop the next version of the CCM series as well but we can not
tell yet when this will take place.
With best wishes
Bernhard Vollmer
SCHOEPS GmbH
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Hi Mr Vollmer,
There have been a few queries on RAMPS about the CCM series. Will the
same
'fix' be applied to those microphones?
Billy Sarokin
Thanks for that info, Billy. |
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| Charles Tomaras |
Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 2:02 pm |
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"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
"Nick" <none@none.com> wrote in message
I use CCM's and I have not encountered any humidity problems over the
years
even in harsh environments. I have, however, suffered from serious RF
problems lately.
I contacted Schoeps about your question and received this response:
Dear Mr. Sarokin,
regarding RF sensitivity the CCM series lies in between the former CMC6
series and the actual series that has started delivery from first of May
on.
So the need for an emprovement is not such as with the CMC6.
We will devellop the next version of the CCM series as well but we can not
tell yet when this will take place.
With best wishes
Bernhard Vollmer
SCHOEPS GmbH
Billy,
Did you get any information about having existing CMC6 amps modified to meet
the new RFI specs of the new amps?
Charlie - Seattle |
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| William Sarokin |
Posted: Sun May 09, 2004 5:29 pm |
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"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> > Billy,
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Did you get any information about having existing CMC6 amps modified to
meet
the new RFI specs of the new amps?
Hi Charles,
Not yet. Schoeps has come out with a new CMC6 which should be available
now, but they didn't have any info yet on modifying existing amps. As soon
as I hear something I'll let you know.
Billy |
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| Frank Kruse |
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 3:07 am |
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I can ask the Schoeps people at the AES convention today...
"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<H9znc.40439$wY.40278@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>...
Quote: "Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> > Billy,
Did you get any information about having existing CMC6 amps modified to
meet
the new RFI specs of the new amps?
Hi Charles,
Not yet. Schoeps has come out with a new CMC6 which should be available
now, but they didn't have any info yet on modifying existing amps. As soon
as I hear something I'll let you know.
Billy |
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| Frank Kruse |
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 9:53 am |
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the people at the Schoeps booth told me that *all* new CMC-6 are
extremely RF-tight. You can ID them by the gold plated bottom when you
look at the XLR connector. They could do a modification for old CMC-6
modules but with a possible high pricetag because they have to replace
the whole electronics. Also the RF-proofing has only be done to the
CMC-6.
frank.
frank@wildtrax.de (Frank Kruse) wrote in message news:<96ec8d22.0405100107.32a85105@posting.google.com>...
Quote: I can ask the Schoeps people at the AES convention today...
"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message news:<H9znc.40439$wY.40278@nwrdny03.gnilink.net>...
"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> > Billy,
Did you get any information about having existing CMC6 amps modified to
meet
the new RFI specs of the new amps?
Hi Charles,
Not yet. Schoeps has come out with a new CMC6 which should be available
now, but they didn't have any info yet on modifying existing amps. As soon
as I hear something I'll let you know.
Billy |
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| Charles Tomaras |
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 2:10 pm |
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"Frank Kruse" <frank@wildtrax.de> wrote in message
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Quote: the people at the Schoeps booth told me that *all* new CMC-6 are
extremely RF-tight. You can ID them by the gold plated bottom when you
look at the XLR connector. They could do a modification for old CMC-6
modules but with a possible high pricetag because they have to replace
the whole electronics. Also the RF-proofing has only be done to the
CMC-6.
frank.
You'd think they might give existing owners a bit of a price break
considering it's a fix for their own engineering failings and they aren't
even changing the model number. |
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| William Sarokin |
Posted: Mon May 10, 2004 4:43 pm |
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"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote in message > You'd think they
might give existing owners a bit of a price break
Quote: considering it's a fix for their own engineering failings and they aren't
even changing the model number.
It's funny, I bought all my Schoeps stuff when the one distributor was
charging list price, take it or leave it. Then they changed distributors
and the price dropped in half, but I didn't buy any because I had all I
needed. Now I want to buy one of the new ones and the price is back where
it started. Kind of funny. I've gotten my money's worth though, so I can
only complain a little. Same problem with Audio Ltd stuff here in the US.
In Europe it costs 1/2 of what it does here. It's a good thing my rates
have doubles in the last couple of years...
..... I hope nobody believed that last line...
Billy  |
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