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| Darren |
 Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2007 11:59 pm |
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2008 is the 50th anniversary of "The Big Country." I understand that it was
or has been "restored"for the occasion.
News was the stereophonic soundtrack may no longer exist.
How is the soundtack being restored for this film? In mono or stereo?
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| Peter |
| Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2007 5:57 am |
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On 2007-11-11 19:59:36 -0800, "Darren" <dnemeth01@charter.net> said:
Quote: News was the stereophonic soundtrack may no longer exist.
How is the soundtack being restored for this film? In mono or stereo?
Probably the score, only, if that.
I don't remember the dialog being stereo, not withstanding this being a
big budget, wide gauge (TLA) production. |
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| veyoung52@yahoo.com |
| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:03 pm |
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On 11 Nov, 22:59, "Darren" <dnemet...@charter.net> wrote:
Quote: 2008 is the 50th anniversary of "The Big Country." I understand that it was
or has been "restored"for the occasion.
News was the stereophonic soundtrack may no longer exist.
How is the soundtack being restored for this film? In mono or stereo?
Darren
Some years back when I was in Dayton for the Cinerama films I met a
gentleman who claimed to be writing the biography of Jerome Moross,
composer of "The Big Country" score. He claimed he had interviewed
Moross' widow who categorically stated that there was never a multi-
channel recording of that film. Can't confirm if that's true...have
not yet found a Moross biography. |
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| Peter |
| Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2007 12:24 pm |
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On 2007-11-13 08:03:08 -0800, "veyoung52@yahoo.com" <veyoung52@yahoo.com> said:
Quote: Some years back when I was in Dayton for the Cinerama films I met a
gentleman who claimed to be writing the biography of Jerome Moross,
composer of "The Big Country" score. He claimed he had interviewed
Moross' widow who categorically stated that there was never a multi-
channel recording of that film.
Most scores were recorded in 3-channel even if the film was going to
have a mono finish.
IIRC, there were no 4-track mag prints of this title, so the print
master would have been mono.
Given that, the M&E track most likely was mono, too. |
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| Martin Hart |
| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 10:49 pm |
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United Artists Records released a piss poor soundtrack album in 1958,
(about 20 minutes worth of music, some of which wasn't even used in the
film), and it was a mono recording with the stereo version being some
sort of rechanneling to simulate a stereo sound. I was short on cash the
day I bought the album so I had to settle for the mono version. I
regretted that for ages and about 15 years later I finally bought the
stereo version. IT WAS AWFUL.
Since 1958, the year that "The Big Country" was released, nobody seems
to have heard the original music recordings in a genuine stereo
performance. I have to agree with those that say it wasn't recorded in
stereo or multi-track.
I have heard of prints of "The Big Country" carrying four-track mag
sound, or at least with four mag stripes. I don't know what to make of
this other than I'll stick to my conclusion that there were never stereo
recordings made for the film.
Marty
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The American WideScreen Museum
http://www.widescreenmuseum.com/ |
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| Peter |
| Posted: Wed Nov 14, 2007 11:42 pm |
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On 2007-11-14 18:49:09 -0800, Martin Hart <oldtornperf@nospam.net> said:
Quote: I have heard of prints of "The Big Country" carrying four-track mag
sound, or at least with four mag stripes. I don't know what to make of
this other than I'll stick to my conclusion that there were never stereo
recordings made for the film.
Possibly much later prints, printed on 4-track mag in order to get
Dolby NR on an essentially mono mix.
I wonder where the TBC music track was recorded? In Europe?
I'll bet the M&E track was mixed in the U.S., and the print master was as well. |
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| in TechnicolorŪ |
| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 1:13 am |
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"Peter" <peterh5322@rattlebrain.comminch> wrote in message
news:2007111419423716807-peterh5322@rattlebraincomminch...
Quote: On 2007-11-14 18:49:09 -0800, Martin Hart <oldtornperf@nospam.net> said:
I have heard of prints of "The Big Country" carrying four-track mag
sound, or at least with four mag stripes. I don't know what to make of
this other than I'll stick to my conclusion that there were never stereo
recordings made for the film.
Possibly much later prints, printed on 4-track mag in order to get Dolby
NR on an essentially mono mix.
I wonder where the TBC music track was recorded? In Europe?
I'll bet the M&E track was mixed in the U.S., and the print master was as
well.
It has always bothered me the number of productions from that era that
didn't produce stereo mixes or releases. |
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| veyoung52@yahoo.com |
| Posted: Thu Nov 15, 2007 6:38 am |
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"It has always bothered me the number of productions from that era
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didn't produce stereo mixes or releases"
Especially, it seems, United Artist releases: in that same year 1958,
what about stereo tracks for "the Vikings," "I Want to Live," and "The
Defiant Ones."?
in Technicolor(R) wrote:
Quote: "Peter" <peterh5322@rattlebrain.comminch> wrote in message
news:2007111419423716807-peterh5322@rattlebraincomminch...
On 2007-11-14 18:49:09 -0800, Martin Hart <oldtornperf@nospam.net> said:
I have heard of prints of "The Big Country" carrying four-track mag
sound, or at least with four mag stripes. I don't know what to make of
this other than I'll stick to my conclusion that there were never stereo
recordings made for the film.
Possibly much later prints, printed on 4-track mag in order to get Dolby
NR on an essentially mono mix.
I wonder where the TBC music track was recorded? In Europe?
I'll bet the M&E track was mixed in the U.S., and the print master was as
well.
It has always bothered me the number of productions from that era that
didn't produce stereo mixes or releases. |
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| Robert DiMucci |
| Posted: Sat Jan 19, 2008 1:37 am |
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Peter wrote:
Quote: On 2007-11-14 18:49:09 -0800, Martin Hart <oldtornperf@nospam.net> said:
I have heard of prints of "The Big Country" carrying four-track mag
sound, or at least with four mag stripes. I don't know what to make of
this other than I'll stick to my conclusion that there were never stereo
recordings made for the film.
Possibly much later prints, printed on 4-track mag in order to get Dolby
NR on an essentially mono mix.
I wonder where the TBC music track was recorded? In Europe?
I'll bet the M&E track was mixed in the U.S., and the print master was
as well.
All of the CD releases of The Big Country's actual music tracks have
been in mono. The first such release, on the Screen Archives
Entertainment label, says the following in the liner notes:
"Recording sessions for the score were held at the Samuel Goldwyn Studio
sound stages ... the accompanying compact disc of the music was mastered
from a direct digital transfer of the final monaural-mix studio tapes
from those sessions."
While this doesn't prove that stereo recordings were not made, if they
were, they are no longer extant. A re-release of the soundtrack last
year on the La-La-Land label also used a monaural source.
Bob DiMucci |
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| Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2008 6:07 am |
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On Jan 18, 10:31 pm, Robert DiMucci <rdimu...@erols.com> wrote:
Quote: Peter wrote:
On 2007-11-14 18:49:09 -0800, Martin Hart <oldtornp...@nospam.net> said:
I have heard of prints of "The Big Country" carrying four-track mag
sound, or at least with four mag stripes. I don't know what to make of
this other than I'll stick to my conclusion that there were never stereo
recordings made for the film.
Possibly much later prints, printed on 4-track mag in order to get Dolby
NR on an essentially mono mix.
I wonder where the TBC music track was recorded? In Europe?
I'll bet the M&E track was mixed in the U.S., and the print master was
as well.
All of the CD releases of The Big Country's actual music tracks have
been in mono. The first such release, on the Screen Archives
Entertainment label, says the following in the liner notes:
"Recording sessions for the score were held at the Samuel Goldwyn Studio
sound stages ... the accompanying compact disc of the music was mastered
from a direct digital transfer of the final monaural-mix studio tapes
from those sessions."
While this doesn't prove that stereo recordings were not made, if they
were, they are no longer extant. A re-release of the soundtrack last
year on the La-La-Land label also used a monaural source.
Bob DiMucci- Hide quoted text -
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As the above person mentioned, the original sessions were recorded on
Stage 7 at Goldwyn. The session recordings were three-track multi-
track (stereo) recordings. This is not an indication that the final
soundtrack was in stereo. It just gives more latitude to the music
mixer in the final composite mix.
When I worked on the laserdisc we had a dat copy of the score for the
isolated music track. The source was a quarter inch reel to reel tape.
A copy of the log came with the dat. It was dated '58, when the tape
was made for Jerome Moross, and it said 'mono copy made from stereo'.
We used a 35mm fullcoat mono master for the soundtrack on the
laserdisc. Hopefully this source was used for the restored version. |
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