Main Page | Report this Page
 
   
Movies Forum Index  »  Movie Production (Sound) Forum  »  MBox noise
Page 4 of 5    Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next
Author Message
Noah Timan
Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 3:32 pm
Guest
I think I've posted about this in past threads, but I bought a case
last year that I like very much and which I feel is a really nice
compromise to all of the issues involved. It's made by a company
called "Storm" and incorporates lots of similar design characteristics
to Pelicans. It's cut to legal FAA carry-on size, which helpfully
pre-empts any debates about whether or not it can go on the plane with
you. It's big enough to fit some basic ENG or documentary equipment
(in mine I've got a mixer, two microphones, and three wireless). It's
got wheels and a handle and isn't terribly heavy or difficult to move
around.

This way, I can keep the more valuable and more delicate items with me
and not have to wince while I watch the baggage handlers unload the
plane, without having to "mule" the whole kit and kaboodle around. I
check all the heavier, bulkier, less expensive items (boom pole,
cables, porta braces, batteries, adapters, blah blah blah). I agree
with Charlie that proper packing will probably prevent any damages,
even if the item is thrown and dropped off the belt fifteen feet, but
it's nice to have the main components of your gear there and not have
to worry about loss and/or damage, however remote the possibility. In
my experience, the airlines are also usually amenable to letting me
bring another small bag that has things like a laptop and a book, in
addition to the Storm case.

The one downside is that it usually takes an extra five minutes at the
security gate to explain what everything is, but I've never had much
of a hassle, other than TSA guys screwing up the pick'n'pluck.

Regards,

Noah Timan

(working email is my name at earth link)
G. John Garrett, CAS
Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 7:51 pm
Guest
I heard about this incident when it happened...I'm surprised you didn't ask them
if they knew who Faraday was :-p

There's a great article in USA today about how our crack federal security
bureaucrats are blowing each others' cover regularly. And I read there's a
report out saying the amount of stuff that "gets past" security is the same as
it always was. Nice clothes, your Highness....
http://www.usatoday.com/travel/news/2004-05-03-airport-security_x.htm?csp=28

John

Peter wrote:

Quote:
I was stopped at security for having a transmitter with a battery. The
original explanation offered said this was not allowed if there was
checked baggage in which a remote-controlled explosive might be located.
I did ask if this was policy and if I could be given a list with
disallowed equipment for future reference. They asked me to wait a
minute for the list. Shortly after two burly armed guards arrived and
told me not to question the security agent or I would have to be
detained and would miss my flight. That was all the answer I got (or
needed.) They kept my 9-volt battery and seemed satisfied. I have flown
since with transmitter AND battery but packed separately. I guess this
makes it okay.
Peter
G. John Garrett, CAS
Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 8:29 pm
Guest
Bzzzt! wrote:

Quote:

So a show of hands of those who had problems
requesting a handcheck of carry on items?
I've had zero problems on the East Coast/Chicago.

Dave Marks


No problems for me, but haven't reqested it much lately. I do recall at Heathrow
a few years ago having to give an inspector a "bag" lesson as they insisted on
either visually or X-ray inspecting our 16mm exposed neg. They did settle for a
tactile inspection and the AC and I had to talk the guy through it. He didn't
drop the core, either.

John
G. John Garrett, CAS
Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 8:41 pm
Guest
Imagoatfarmer wrote:

Quote:
Unfortunately for all Americans, terrorists discovered that they could
get on board with box cutters. In retrospect, we all wonder why the
hell a passenger needs a boxcutter and why did security let them on?
Yes, a passenger carrying a wireless transmitter could set off a bomb.
But so can a cell phone. The rules and regulations vary from airport
to airport and from inspector to inspector. The TSA uses that to
their advantage. A terrorist doesn't want to get caught. He wants to
know that he can get on a plane carrying a frozen banana, he won't get
caught because no one has ever hijacked a plane with a frozen banana.
And TSA wants travellers to know, get on the plane with something
unusual (like a frozen banana) -- you just might miss your flight
because you could use a frozen banana as a bludgeon. The "not
knowing" gives TSA the Las Vegas edge. In my carry on is my back up
Schoeps, a couple of cables, power supply, and Walkman headphones. If
my checked luggage doesn't make it, I can get useable sound.
Somewhere, someday, I expect to have to check my bag because TSA
doesn't recognise my gear. It will be a pain in the ass. I will be
pissed. But I know if I was a bad guy, I couldn't take it on the
plane.

I got a chuckle out of this, sorry. The crack federal security bureaucrats don't
have a flying clue what they're looking at in my cases as it is, and wouldn't
recognize something dangerous if it was packed on top with a ribbon around it.
Sure, -some- of them probably get the idea that its some kind of "TV stuff" or
something, but unless you know what the function of each and every item in my
case is, you don't know if there's a threat there at all, and wasting my
goodwill and taxpayers' money to put on a show and make people feel safe. People
get on planes every day with lethal tools in their carry on bags. The conceit
here is that the TSA is not in business to admit that most of those people will
never be motivated to deploy those tools in a lethal manner, they're there for
the show.

John
Nick
Posted: Mon May 03, 2004 11:45 pm
Guest
"G. John Garrett, CAS" <jgarrett@world.std.comREMOVE> wrote ...

Quote:
The crack federal security bureaucrats don't
have a flying clue what they're looking at in my cases as it is, and
wouldn't
recognize something dangerous if it was packed on top with a ribbon around
it.
Sure, -some- of them probably get the idea that its some kind of "TV
stuff" or
something, but unless you know what the function of each and every item in
my
case is, you don't know if there's a threat there at all, and wasting my
goodwill and taxpayers' money to put on a show and make people feel safe.
People
get on planes every day with lethal tools in their carry on bags. The
conceit
here is that the TSA is not in business to admit that most of those people
will
never be motivated to deploy those tools in a lethal manner, they're there
for
the show.

John


That is so true. We are absolutely no safer today in an airplane then we
ever were. It's smoke and mirrors.
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:50 am
Guest
"Nick" <none@none.com> wrote in message
news:c77am9$f97m$1@ID-61248.news.uni-berlin.de...
Quote:

"G. John Garrett, CAS" <jgarrett@world.std.comREMOVE> wrote ...

The crack federal security bureaucrats don't
have a flying clue what they're looking at in my cases as it is, and
wouldn't
recognize something dangerous if it was packed on top with a ribbon
around
it.
Sure, -some- of them probably get the idea that its some kind of "TV
stuff" or
something, but unless you know what the function of each and every item
in
my
case is, you don't know if there's a threat there at all, and wasting my
goodwill and taxpayers' money to put on a show and make people feel safe.
People
get on planes every day with lethal tools in their carry on bags. The
conceit
here is that the TSA is not in business to admit that most of those
people
will
never be motivated to deploy those tools in a lethal manner, they're
there
for
the show.

John


That is so true. We are absolutely no safer today in an airplane then we
ever were. It's smoke and mirrors.


The single biggest improvement for safety was the reinforced cockpit door.
Had those been in place a few years ago...the World Trade Towers would still
be standing.
Steve King
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 10:35 am
Guest
"G. John Garrett, CAS" <jgarrett@world.std.comREMOVE> wrote in message
news:c77007$jri$1@pcls4.std.com...
Quote:
Imagoatfarmer wrote:

Unfortunately for all Americans, terrorists discovered that they could
get on board with box cutters. In retrospect, we all wonder why the
hell a passenger needs a boxcutter and why did security let them on?
Yes, a passenger carrying a wireless transmitter could set off a bomb.
But so can a cell phone. The rules and regulations vary from airport
to airport and from inspector to inspector. The TSA uses that to
their advantage. A terrorist doesn't want to get caught. He wants to
know that he can get on a plane carrying a frozen banana, he won't get
caught because no one has ever hijacked a plane with a frozen banana.
And TSA wants travellers to know, get on the plane with something
unusual (like a frozen banana) -- you just might miss your flight
because you could use a frozen banana as a bludgeon. The "not
knowing" gives TSA the Las Vegas edge. In my carry on is my back up
Schoeps, a couple of cables, power supply, and Walkman headphones. If
my checked luggage doesn't make it, I can get useable sound.
Somewhere, someday, I expect to have to check my bag because TSA
doesn't recognise my gear. It will be a pain in the ass. I will be
pissed. But I know if I was a bad guy, I couldn't take it on the
plane.

I got a chuckle out of this, sorry. The crack federal security bureaucrats
don't
have a flying clue what they're looking at in my cases as it is, and
wouldn't
recognize something dangerous if it was packed on top with a ribbon around
it.
Sure, -some- of them probably get the idea that its some kind of "TV
stuff" or
something, but unless you know what the function of each and every item in
my
case is, you don't know if there's a threat there at all, and wasting my
goodwill and taxpayers' money to put on a show and make people feel safe.
People
get on planes every day with lethal tools in their carry on bags. The
conceit
here is that the TSA is not in business to admit that most of those people
will
never be motivated to deploy those tools in a lethal manner, they're there
for
the show.

John

And, your solution is?????

Steve King
Eric Toline
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:00 pm
Guest
Re: Traveling with sound gear

Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, May 4, 2004, 11:35am
(EDT-1) From: steve@REMOVETHISSPAMBLOCKsteveking.net (Steve King)
"G. John Garrett, CAS" <jgarrett@world.std.comREMOVE> wrote in


The conceit here is that the TSA is not in business to admit that most
of those people will never be motivated to deploy those tools in a
lethal manner, they're there for the show.
John


And, your solution is?????
Steve King<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Do away with the inefective TSA and pass the cost savings on to the
flying customer. Making flying enjoyable again. Hopefully the new
President will do something about the TSA and their "take off all your
clothes" policy.

Eric
Steve King
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 3:07 pm
Guest
"Eric Toline" <Audioetc@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:1681-4097E868-373@storefull-3257.bay.webtv.net...

Re: Traveling with sound gear

Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, May 4, 2004, 11:35am
(EDT-1) From: steve@REMOVETHISSPAMBLOCKsteveking.net (Steve King)
"G. John Garrett, CAS" <jgarrett@world.std.comREMOVE> wrote in


The conceit here is that the TSA is not in business to admit that most
of those people will never be motivated to deploy those tools in a
lethal manner, they're there for the show.

And, your solution is????

Steve King


And, your solution is?????
Steve King<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

Do away with the inefective TSA and pass the cost savings on to the
flying customer. Making flying enjoyable again. Hopefully the new
President will do something about the TSA and their "take off all your
clothes" policy.

Eric
shooter
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 7:50 pm
Guest
"Making flying enjoyable again."

For who, the terrorists? For the 3000 people on the four planes and
the twin towers?
It may be difficult to travel now but it's difficult for 'them' too.
And that suits me fine. I still get there...all in one piece. The
system certainly isn't perfect but it's what we have for now because
we have to, or else.
Eric Toline
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 10:02 pm
Guest
Re: Traveling with sound gear

Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, May 4, 2004, 6:50pm
(EDT-3) From: shooter@comcast.net (shooter)
"Making flying enjoyable again."

For who, the terrorists? For the 3000 people on the four planes and the
twin towers?
It may be difficult to travel now but it's difficult for 'them' too. And
that suits me fine. I still get there...all in one piece. The system
certainly isn't perfect but it's what we have for now because we have
to, or else.<<<<<<<<<<<<<<

It seems that you're willing to put up with the inmates running the
asylum. Who was it who said "Those who give up freedom for security
deserve neither"

Eric
Steve King
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 10:36 pm
Guest
"Eric Toline" <Audioetc@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:7552-40986747-552@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net...
Quote:

Re: Traveling with sound gear

Group: rec.arts.movies.production.sound Date: Tue, May 4, 2004, 6:50pm
(EDT-3) From: shooter@comcast.net (shooter)
"Making flying enjoyable again."

Let's get rid of the Police and the FBI, too. That'll save some big bucks
and really kick up the freedom meter.

Quote:

For who, the terrorists? For the 3000 people on the four planes and the
twin towers?
It may be difficult to travel now but it's difficult for 'them' too. And
that suits me fine. I still get there...all in one piece. The system
certainly isn't perfect but it's what we have for now because we have
to, or else.

I'm with you. I find the current practices only mildly inconvenient.


Quote:
It seems that you're willing to put up with the inmates running the
asylum. Who was it who said "Those who give up freedom for security
deserve neither"

Crap.

I carry a nice little torch from the fire, when I have to take a leak in the
woods at night. I'm unlikely to be able to kill a bear with it, but the
bear doesn't know that. It is the same principle that most violence
prevention measures depend upon, and most of the time it works.

Steve King
Karl Lohninger
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 10:43 pm
Guest
"Eric Toline" <Audioetc@webtv.net> wrote:
Quote:
It seems that you're willing to put up with the inmates running the
asylum. Who was it who said "Those who give up freedom for security
deserve neither"

Eric



I'm very much with Benjamin!

Karl
Nick
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 11:58 pm
Guest
"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:
Quote:

That is so true. We are absolutely no safer today in an airplane then we
ever were. It's smoke and mirrors.


The single biggest improvement for safety was the reinforced cockpit door.
Had those been in place a few years ago...the World Trade Towers would
still
be standing.



Yeah, you're right, the reinforced cockpit door is a good thing for sure.
They have their own publicized weaknesses, but they are better then what
they replaced.
shooter
Posted: Wed May 05, 2004 7:54 am
Guest
Karl Lohninger <midoil@comcast.net> wrote in message news:<BCBDBEEB.12AC5%midoil@comcast.net>...
Quote:
"Eric Toline" <Audioetc@webtv.net> wrote:
It seems that you're willing to put up with the inmates running the
asylum. Who was it who said "Those who give up freedom for security
deserve neither"

Eric



I'm very much with Benjamin!

Karl

We've always had limits on our freedoms. I know I can safely drive
100mph on the freeways but 'the man' won't let me. That's the way it
is here, despite what they do on the autobahn. Without limits you'd
have anarchy. The TSA has added a half hour to each trip I take, big
deal.
 
Page 4 of 5    Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5  Next   All times are GMT - 5 Hours
The time now is Fri Nov 21, 2008 7:10 pm