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Kurt Albershardt
Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 8:40 am
Guest
Rob€rto wrote:
Quote:

I don't know how much data you dump in the end of the day, but
over here my biggest score was 1.6 G on a Shooting day. ( in BWF-M
mode, ). That amount was burned here on an external burner in 5
minutes, with a 4 x LG DVD RAM +- R RW burner.

Precisely what I am thinking, and the drives get faster every few months. I once again predict this will soon be a non-issue.
John B., Indianapolis
Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 10:15 am
Guest
Rob€rto wrote:
Quote:
On 30 Apr 2004 16:42:51 -0700, this_isnot_it@yahoo.com (Noah Timan)
wrote:

==== SNIP ====

It is getting a bit strange to see how some specs are used to compare
machines, while the actual specs cannot even be tested, measured, or
even used...


You mean like some people constantly do for anything Zaxcom?

John B.
Rob€rto
Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 10:30 am
Guest
On Sat, 01 May 2004 11:15:45 -0500, "John B., Indianapolis"
<johntakethisout@indytakethisout.net> wrote:


Quote:
You mean like some people constantly do for anything Zaxcom?

Ahum Smile ( no comment )

In this specific case, the Cantar burner is also not available for me,
so i cannot really give hard facts. I can only see what happens in a
nice and controlled environment ( my home ) with external burners and
try to packet-write to a DVD -+r with some burning software.

R





--
Http://www.xs4all.nl/~tuig/index.html
Courtney Goodin
Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 11:24 am
Guest
"Kurt Albershardt" <kurt@nv.net> wrote in message
news:1083422361.179867@nnrp1.phx1.gblx.net...
Quote:

The "RoadStor" and the Alera machine are not designed as just outboard
Drives, although they both work via USB2 as such. They are important to our
work because they are stand alone Compact Flash to CD burners that operate
without connection to any other device. For those new File recoding
Machines like the SD744T , Deva Fusion, Fostex FR-2 and others that record
on Compact Flash Media, this will work on the sound cart as a Daily Disk
Burner without connection to the Recorder or a host PC. Just plug in a
filled CF card and press a button to burn the BWF files to the CD (or DVD in
the future). It doesn't need a firewire\1394 connection to perform this
task. Outboard Firewire Burners (CD-R and DVD-R) that don't have the built
in copy firmware are available from Lacie and many other Chinese
manufacturers if you are in need of something for Mirroring on a DEVA.
---Courtney
Glen Trew
Posted: Sat May 01, 2004 10:24 pm
Guest
Quote:
I think full size DVD-RAM is where it's at for now but DVD-R is where
it's going to go...

Best Wishes

Glenn Sanders

This may turn out to be true, but I'm not convinced yet. The cost of DVD-RAM
is low enough (and dropping) that it will not be a factor if there is any
preference at all for DVD-RAM. I doubt that any production would choose a
lessor media over a preferred one just to save $5 per day.

I think DVD-RAM will be preferred for several reasons:

1) It is more robust because [most] are built into a protective cover.

2) DVD-RAM is infinately re-writeable. This could allow it to actually
become less expensive than DVD-R after a few recycles.

3) There are already thousands of them in storage, and there's probably no
reason to not return them to service. Some productions have already figured
this out.

The good news is that you don't have to decide in advance if you get a
firewire multi-format drive that will do DVD-RAM, DVD-R, and CD-R. We have
them in the Remote Audio DirectDrive 12V powered enclosure, Firewire
version.

Glen Trew
Rob€rto
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 4:45 am
Guest
On Sat, 1 May 2004 23:24:04 -0500, "Glen Trew"
<glen@nixthistrewaudio.com> wrote:


Quote:
I think DVD-RAM will be preferred for several reasons:

1) It is more robust because [most] are built into a protective cover.

2) DVD-RAM is infinately re-writeable. This could allow it to actually
become less expensive than DVD-R after a few recycles.

3) There are already thousands of them in storage, and there's probably no
reason to not return them to service. Some productions have already figured
this out.

The good news is that you don't have to decide in advance if you get a
firewire multi-format drive that will do DVD-RAM, DVD-R, and CD-R. We have
them in the Remote Audio DirectDrive 12V powered enclosure, Firewire
version.

You forget one serious point, and that is that it does not develop in
the same ( writespeed ) way as the others do. Most DVD RAM users are
Deva 2 users, and that is a 4 tracker on SCSI, not on a FW>IDE chip
based box.
DVD + R is already at 8 speed, whilst DVD -R is still at 4, and RAM
stays at 3 x. RAM is mainly populair in Japan, in the rest of the
world it is hardly used.
DVD + R will go to 16 ( theoretical max, otherwise the DVD gets
launched ), not sure about - R, and then it will be Blueray, Flash, or
something simular.


Also, what sort of FW ide Chip is in that box you sell ?

R
Rob€rto
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 5:42 am
Guest
On Tue, 04 May 2004 12:45:57 +0200, Rob€rto <Stelletje@Knoeiers.com>
wrote:


Quote:
DVD + R is already at 8 speed, whilst DVD -R is still at 4,

Oops, also dvd - r is at 8 already ( these things get faster every
minute Smile )

R
David
Posted: Tue May 04, 2004 12:09 pm
Guest
Rob rto <Stelletje@Knoeiers.com> wrote in message news:<eb0f90pqgbqdu6nfdgsjcdakbggc59ip31@4ax.com>...
Quote:
On Tue, 04 May 2004 12:45:57 +0200, Rob€rto <Stelletje@Knoeiers.com
wrote:


DVD + R is already at 8 speed, whilst DVD -R is still at 4,

Oops, also dvd - r is at 8 already ( these things get faster every
minute Smile )

R


Actually its already at 12x (Plextor) and 16x is due out this fall.

Davie
John Rowley
Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 3:20 am
Guest
Hi Martin

Ric Creaser, sound recordist from Melbourne (formerly Sydney) designed
these with an engineering colleague. He's put a lot of thought and work
into them. Also, most importantly, they sound good. I've heard them
interior but not exterior. Also, I haven't done AB tests between Sanken /
Countryman / DPA / etc. We'll certainly be distributing them this side of
the water, but I understand (as I suggested to Ric) Coffey Sound in LA will
be the US importers. Other US dealers may supply, but that's up to John
Coffey. It may be a month or two before full production runs, but I can see
networks and freelancers demanding them. Incidentally (for other
manufacturers), I think they're patented all over the place. Regards.

John Rowley
info@soundequip.com.au
www.soundequip.com.au

"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:ysijc.14741$qq6.7967@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Quote:
Someone mentioned that they say a cool lapel mic that takes the shape, (or
hides in) a button or broach from Australia.
Any ideas who makes it?
As an Aussie, I'm eagerly waiting to see something like this from our own.
Rode told me a few years ago that they were investigating the possibility
of
making a killer lapel and shotgun.
Maybe this is the start.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Noah Timan" <this_isnot_it@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cd345c55.0404241811.7ffd15d4@posting.google.com...
Audioetc@webtv.net (Eric Toline) wrote in message
news:<4076-408A14BB-5@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>...

I'm sure I left a lot of other interesting stuff out that will be
filled
in by others who were more sober than I was.

Actually, you got the bulk of it, I think. Last year, the main draw
was a bulk of new products we had never seen before in prototype
status. This year, rather than new things, it was more of a chance to
see last year's prototypes advanced to almost-finished status.

The Deva seemed to me to be far and away the most flexible, intuitive,
and user-friendly of all the new recorders in terms of dealing with
inputs, routing, adjustments, and access (and breadth) of features.
Of great interest to me is how the preamps sound, for when the machine
is used as a standalone over-the-shoulder recorder -- I did not get a
chance to listen at the show (usually not a great environment for such
things anyway). Aaton clearly sets up a pretty stiff challenge for
this with the amazing-sounding preamps on the Cantar, although Aaton
does not offer nearly the same kind of flexibility and routing with
the inputs or intuitive function and system controls.

Zaxcom had two external faderboards -- one which looked to take the
place of a cart mixer entirely, and the other which looked to serve in
over-the-shoulder applications. I had trouble personally envisioning
how the smaller board could be used in an over-the-shoulder
application without being clumsy -- it looked like it would extend
horizontally over the top of the machine and attach in a way I didn't
thoroughly comprehend -- but it did bear the disclaimer of being a
work in progress. Of course, the Deva does have four rotary faders on
it already, which would be sufficient for most OTS situations.

I was delighted to see that Zaxcom also had a quad box for its ENG
receivers. For folks like me who tend to fill in gaps between
features with over the shoulder work -- or occasionally work on wacky
features where OTS work becomes necessary here and there -- this
offers the opportunity to use their wireless in a bag situation as
well as in a cart situation. (I wasn't looking forward to buying two
different receivers for each application). The only stumbling block
was that it seemed that each receiver needed three connection points
to the quad rack -- two individual antenna connections and a DC
connector in the rear. This seems time-consuming, especially in the
hurry I usually need to be in when making these changes. Better still
would be a single connector, a la Audio Limited, that allows for quick
removal of the reciever so it can be moved from one configuration to
another (cart to bag or vice versa) in seconds. I, for one, have
found this to be necessary on many occasions in the field. I'm sure
Zaxcom's got quite enough to do at the moment as it is, but maybe it's
something to think about for the future.

The Cantar was there with an internal DVD drive -- great progress as
the last version's suggested process of backing up the hard drive with
CD-Rs didn't make sense for most of our purposes. The fader board, as
noted by others, did not make the trip. The problem with the internal
drive, as it currently exists, is that it does not work with DVD-RAM
-- only DVD +/- R/RW -- and does not mirror. I was told it would take
about 25 minutes to burn a DVD, which would have to be done at the end
of the day -- not a possibility for most of us, as we have discussed
many times in the past, and which the other recorders have eliminated
with the mirroring process offered. The only suggestion made was that
one could burn several DVDs during downtime through the day that could
eliminate the pileup at the end of the day, but this doesn't seem like
a good idea. The Aaton representatives mentioned they're looking into
DVD-RAM drives that can fit in the tiny drive bay, so hopefully this
problem will be addressed in the future.

I didn't spend any time with the PortaDrive -- the size, weight, and
lack of a firewire I/O all scare me.

Fostex didn't have a booth, but LSC showed off their new toys, which
included a nifty external DVD drive and housing for the PD6 for cart
applications, the DV-824, which is a new studio-based DVD 8-track
recorder, and the FR-2, which is ready to go without TC (not yet ready
to go with TC).

The Sound Devices 744T looks almost done. It could probably fit in a
coat pocket. Improved (!) mic preamps from the 442, good and easy
track configurations and routing, parallel path outputs to internal
and external drives, lots of bells and whistles -- looks like a pretty
great little machine. Multiple units can be interconnected for eight,
twelve, sixteen tracks and so forth. Not yet present are filename
editing and metadata entry capabilities, which could be a stumbling
block for some feature work, depending upon the standards that are
developed for filenames and data (still in the early stages of
progress, it seems). Jon Tatooles indicated that these are
considerations for future firmware upgrades. In the meantime, stick a
302 on top of it and you've got the world's tiniest top-of-the-line
over the shoulder mixer/recorder rig. It's going to make life a lot
easier for documentary soundmen everywhere, that's for sure.

In terms of other brand-new stuff, there was relatively little to see.
Though their lavaliers still sound terrific, I wasn't too knocked out
with DPA's zeppelin -- the one they had on display looked way too big
for anything other than a long shotgun. The representative I spoke to
indicated that they would be issued in two sizes, but I'm still
doubtful these two sizes would fit all mics -- a shorter version for a
short shotgun is still going to be too long for something like a
Schoeps, Neumann 150, CS-1, etc. This effectively forces the
microphone further away from the subject, due to all the extra space
on the front end of the zeppelin, and in noisy environments like
Manhattan exteriors, damns your signal to noise ratio to hell.

Also, while I have put a windjammed-Rycote out in torrential rain
plenty of times and come back with a dry microphone, I'm not so sure
the polyester cover that is the DPA Zep offers the same sort of
protection. I looked at the device with Ty Ford and he made the
excellent point that it may also fare poorly in on-set collisions with
grip and electric stands and equipment.

Clear advantages are the weight (boom ops are going to love it) and
compact size (great, as Charlie said, for those days when you choose
to leave the zep case behind on false promises that there will be no
exteriors). But the price point kind of nullifies those. I don't
want to be one of those Glen-Trew-$20-boom-stand guys, and I can
appreciate extensive research and development costs, but I have a hard
time accepting that a device made from polyester and a few aluminum
struts should cost $850 (unless someone's going to look really
fabulous in it).

Sanken showed the new "stereo" lav (its purposes escaped me a little
bit, but there must be some broadcast or music recording situation
that calls for it that I am unaware of) and a neat 5.1 mic (again,
nothing I need, but a very interesting design).

Petrol had a really simple, cheap, and good rain cover for an
over-the-shoulder rig (designed particularly for their "Eargonizer"
bag, but applicable for any bag). A big window, thorough coverage,
enough room underneath for hands -- forty bucks. Great.

Ambient also had an interesting ENG bag that looked good and flexible
for a number of systems. They also introduced a mount for a
Lectrosonics-style "butt plug" transmitter that sits between
microphone and the top of the boom pole to eliminate cable traveling
down or in the pole, but it definitely made the pole very front-heavy.

Audio Ltd. had a new Tx with remote operation and a better battery
door, and a new frequency band allocation that should eliminate some
interference problems, but still no entry or apparent interest in the
digital wireless sweepstakes.

Sennheiser had a live MKH-418 up for testing this year with an MS
decoder. It seems to me that the side ports are awfully far back on
the barrel, maybe making it subject to picking up handling or mount
noise. Anyone have experience with this? I tried listening to the
mic and panning it around the convention floor for a minute to get a
sense of its abilities, but after getting a funny look from Karl
Winkler I put it back in the clips.

Upstairs at the South Hall, I saw a little wireless video camera for
about $200 with a receiver. The whole rig was really tiny, and looked
like it would be great for those situations where the cart can't be in
the room one is shooting in -- slap it on the ceiling and watch the
ever-so-fascinating events of set transpire from wherever you need to
be. This particular model started breaking up as soon as it was out
of line-of-sight, so it wasn't the one, but anyone know of a similar
device that will work through walls? Ray, I know you mentioned
finding one there. How does it work around the corner, in the next
room, downstairs, etc?

Thanks to Kurt and Eric for coralling all of us at Firefly, where a
good time seemed to be had by all.

Regards,

Noah Timan

(working email is my name at earth link)

Martin Harrington
Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 6:31 am
Guest
John,
Next time you see Ric, could you say hi to him from me, and let me know when
the mics are ready for sale.
I'll stab at a guess and say that you'll be covering the sales in Sydney,
after all, that's where all the soundo's are, (grin).

--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"John Rowley" <info@soundequip.com.au> wrote in message
news:409ca69b$0$32558$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Quote:
Hi Martin

Ric Creaser, sound recordist from Melbourne (formerly Sydney) designed
these with an engineering colleague. He's put a lot of thought and work
into them. Also, most importantly, they sound good. I've heard them
interior but not exterior. Also, I haven't done AB tests between Sanken /
Countryman / DPA / etc. We'll certainly be distributing them this side of
the water, but I understand (as I suggested to Ric) Coffey Sound in LA
will
be the US importers. Other US dealers may supply, but that's up to John
Coffey. It may be a month or two before full production runs, but I can
see
networks and freelancers demanding them. Incidentally (for other
manufacturers), I think they're patented all over the place. Regards.

John Rowley
info@soundequip.com.au
www.soundequip.com.au

"Martin Harrington" <lendan@bigpond.net.au> wrote in message
news:ysijc.14741$qq6.7967@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Someone mentioned that they say a cool lapel mic that takes the shape,
(or
hides in) a button or broach from Australia.
Any ideas who makes it?
As an Aussie, I'm eagerly waiting to see something like this from our
own.
Rode told me a few years ago that they were investigating the
possibility
of
making a killer lapel and shotgun.
Maybe this is the start.
--
Martin Harrington
www.lendanear-sound.com
"Noah Timan" <this_isnot_it@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:cd345c55.0404241811.7ffd15d4@posting.google.com...
Audioetc@webtv.net (Eric Toline) wrote in message
news:<4076-408A14BB-5@storefull-3254.bay.webtv.net>...

I'm sure I left a lot of other interesting stuff out that will be
filled
in by others who were more sober than I was.

Actually, you got the bulk of it, I think. Last year, the main draw
was a bulk of new products we had never seen before in prototype
status. This year, rather than new things, it was more of a chance to
see last year's prototypes advanced to almost-finished status.

The Deva seemed to me to be far and away the most flexible, intuitive,
and user-friendly of all the new recorders in terms of dealing with
inputs, routing, adjustments, and access (and breadth) of features.
Of great interest to me is how the preamps sound, for when the machine
is used as a standalone over-the-shoulder recorder -- I did not get a
chance to listen at the show (usually not a great environment for such
things anyway). Aaton clearly sets up a pretty stiff challenge for
this with the amazing-sounding preamps on the Cantar, although Aaton
does not offer nearly the same kind of flexibility and routing with
the inputs or intuitive function and system controls.

Zaxcom had two external faderboards -- one which looked to take the
place of a cart mixer entirely, and the other which looked to serve in
over-the-shoulder applications. I had trouble personally envisioning
how the smaller board could be used in an over-the-shoulder
application without being clumsy -- it looked like it would extend
horizontally over the top of the machine and attach in a way I didn't
thoroughly comprehend -- but it did bear the disclaimer of being a
work in progress. Of course, the Deva does have four rotary faders on
it already, which would be sufficient for most OTS situations.

I was delighted to see that Zaxcom also had a quad box for its ENG
receivers. For folks like me who tend to fill in gaps between
features with over the shoulder work -- or occasionally work on wacky
features where OTS work becomes necessary here and there -- this
offers the opportunity to use their wireless in a bag situation as
well as in a cart situation. (I wasn't looking forward to buying two
different receivers for each application). The only stumbling block
was that it seemed that each receiver needed three connection points
to the quad rack -- two individual antenna connections and a DC
connector in the rear. This seems time-consuming, especially in the
hurry I usually need to be in when making these changes. Better still
would be a single connector, a la Audio Limited, that allows for quick
removal of the reciever so it can be moved from one configuration to
another (cart to bag or vice versa) in seconds. I, for one, have
found this to be necessary on many occasions in the field. I'm sure
Zaxcom's got quite enough to do at the moment as it is, but maybe it's
something to think about for the future.

The Cantar was there with an internal DVD drive -- great progress as
the last version's suggested process of backing up the hard drive with
CD-Rs didn't make sense for most of our purposes. The fader board, as
noted by others, did not make the trip. The problem with the internal
drive, as it currently exists, is that it does not work with DVD-RAM
-- only DVD +/- R/RW -- and does not mirror. I was told it would take
about 25 minutes to burn a DVD, which would have to be done at the end
of the day -- not a possibility for most of us, as we have discussed
many times in the past, and which the other recorders have eliminated
with the mirroring process offered. The only suggestion made was that
one could burn several DVDs during downtime through the day that could
eliminate the pileup at the end of the day, but this doesn't seem like
a good idea. The Aaton representatives mentioned they're looking into
DVD-RAM drives that can fit in the tiny drive bay, so hopefully this
problem will be addressed in the future.

I didn't spend any time with the PortaDrive -- the size, weight, and
lack of a firewire I/O all scare me.

Fostex didn't have a booth, but LSC showed off their new toys, which
included a nifty external DVD drive and housing for the PD6 for cart
applications, the DV-824, which is a new studio-based DVD 8-track
recorder, and the FR-2, which is ready to go without TC (not yet ready
to go with TC).

The Sound Devices 744T looks almost done. It could probably fit in a
coat pocket. Improved (!) mic preamps from the 442, good and easy
track configurations and routing, parallel path outputs to internal
and external drives, lots of bells and whistles -- looks like a pretty
great little machine. Multiple units can be interconnected for eight,
twelve, sixteen tracks and so forth. Not yet present are filename
editing and metadata entry capabilities, which could be a stumbling
block for some feature work, depending upon the standards that are
developed for filenames and data (still in the early stages of
progress, it seems). Jon Tatooles indicated that these are
considerations for future firmware upgrades. In the meantime, stick a
302 on top of it and you've got the world's tiniest top-of-the-line
over the shoulder mixer/recorder rig. It's going to make life a lot
easier for documentary soundmen everywhere, that's for sure.

In terms of other brand-new stuff, there was relatively little to see.
Though their lavaliers still sound terrific, I wasn't too knocked out
with DPA's zeppelin -- the one they had on display looked way too big
for anything other than a long shotgun. The representative I spoke to
indicated that they would be issued in two sizes, but I'm still
doubtful these two sizes would fit all mics -- a shorter version for a
short shotgun is still going to be too long for something like a
Schoeps, Neumann 150, CS-1, etc. This effectively forces the
microphone further away from the subject, due to all the extra space
on the front end of the zeppelin, and in noisy environments like
Manhattan exteriors, damns your signal to noise ratio to hell.

Also, while I have put a windjammed-Rycote out in torrential rain
plenty of times and come back with a dry microphone, I'm not so sure
the polyester cover that is the DPA Zep offers the same sort of
protection. I looked at the device with Ty Ford and he made the
excellent point that it may also fare poorly in on-set collisions with
grip and electric stands and equipment.

Clear advantages are the weight (boom ops are going to love it) and
compact size (great, as Charlie said, for those days when you choose
to leave the zep case behind on false promises that there will be no
exteriors). But the price point kind of nullifies those. I don't
want to be one of those Glen-Trew-$20-boom-stand guys, and I can
appreciate extensive research and development costs, but I have a hard
time accepting that a device made from polyester and a few aluminum
struts should cost $850 (unless someone's going to look really
fabulous in it).

Sanken showed the new "stereo" lav (its purposes escaped me a little
bit, but there must be some broadcast or music recording situation
that calls for it that I am unaware of) and a neat 5.1 mic (again,
nothing I need, but a very interesting design).

Petrol had a really simple, cheap, and good rain cover for an
over-the-shoulder rig (designed particularly for their "Eargonizer"
bag, but applicable for any bag). A big window, thorough coverage,
enough room underneath for hands -- forty bucks. Great.

Ambient also had an interesting ENG bag that looked good and flexible
for a number of systems. They also introduced a mount for a
Lectrosonics-style "butt plug" transmitter that sits between
microphone and the top of the boom pole to eliminate cable traveling
down or in the pole, but it definitely made the pole very front-heavy.

Audio Ltd. had a new Tx with remote operation and a better battery
door, and a new frequency band allocation that should eliminate some
interference problems, but still no entry or apparent interest in the
digital wireless sweepstakes.

Sennheiser had a live MKH-418 up for testing this year with an MS
decoder. It seems to me that the side ports are awfully far back on
the barrel, maybe making it subject to picking up handling or mount
noise. Anyone have experience with this? I tried listening to the
mic and panning it around the convention floor for a minute to get a
sense of its abilities, but after getting a funny look from Karl
Winkler I put it back in the clips.

Upstairs at the South Hall, I saw a little wireless video camera for
about $200 with a receiver. The whole rig was really tiny, and looked
like it would be great for those situations where the cart can't be in
the room one is shooting in -- slap it on the ceiling and watch the
ever-so-fascinating events of set transpire from wherever you need to
be. This particular model started breaking up as soon as it was out
of line-of-sight, so it wasn't the one, but anyone know of a similar
device that will work through walls? Ray, I know you mentioned
finding one there. How does it work around the corner, in the next
room, downstairs, etc?

Thanks to Kurt and Eric for coralling all of us at Firefly, where a
good time seemed to be had by all.

Regards,

Noah Timan

(working email is my name at earth link)



John Rowley
Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 8:24 am
Guest
Glenn

You said :
Quote:
The smaller DVD-RAM disks will disappear in the near future as they do
not hold enough data per $ to compete with other DVD formats.

What evidence do you have for this? Have any manufacturers stopped making
drives that would accommodate the 8cm DVD-RAM? I don't mean guesses or
dreams, I mean empirical evidence. Does this mean Zaxcom will never use
DVD-RAM, either 8cm or 12cm?

John Rowley
info@soundequip.com.au
www.soundequip.com.au
William Sarokin
Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 11:47 am
Guest
"John Rowley" <info@soundequip.com.au> wrote in message
news:409cede4$0$25657$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Quote:
Does this mean Zaxcom will never use
DVD-RAM, either 8cm or 12cm?

Hi John,
All Deva's have external device support. So the type of media used is the
users choice. Personally, I think, for the time being, that the large DVD
RAM's have benefits - they format quickly, they're more robust than other
DVD formats and they are re-writable. DVD R is a write once format, and DVD
RW takes 20 minutes to pre format a disk. The smaller DVD/RAM disk have a
much smaller market. The large ones are commonly used for corporate backup
systems and personal PC's. There are many new multi format DVD drives
currently on the market that handle DVD/RAM as well as the other DVD
formats. The small ones were made for a discontinued camcorder and the
PD-6. There are a number of manufactyrers making or marketing 12cm DVD/RAM
drives. There are currently no manufacturers marketing 8cm DVD/RAM drives.
While I doubt Zaxcom or anyone else has a secret internal memo saying that
the format is being abandoned, it seems pretty obvious that it won't be
around for long.
I'm sure Fostex will be able to cope. They'll either stock a large supply
of disks to keep their users in stock, or they'll retrofit their machines to
some new format. That will never be an issue for either the Deva or the
Cantar because they record to internal hard drives and external devices that
can easily be swapped for whatever is newer, better, faster and has more
capacity. The HHB Portadrive might have a problem because it's external
interface is SCSI. Not many manufacturers are making new devices with SCSI
interfaces. Most devices these days are USB2 or Firewire.
Billy Sarokin
John Coffey
Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 7:55 pm
Guest
Billy:
Is that a fact that the manufactuers of the mini DVD Ram and the cameras
that used it are longer embracing that media? I am surprised to hear
that after all the fanfare about how everyone was going to be using it.

Man, changes are happening fast these days. It's more important than
ever to keep an eye towards the future at all times or your purchase
could be obsolete before you blink....

John Coffey C.A.S.
http://www.coffeysound.com
William Sarokin
Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:35 pm
Guest
Sorry all, If I were a Fox News reporter I'd be packing my bags. There
still is a Panasonic 8cm DVD/RAM camcorder in production as of Jan 2004. I
tried to verify if the actual drives are still being produced but no luck so
far (which does not mean that they aren't being produced).
Billy


"John Coffey" <coffeyman@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16262-409D8F79-70@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
Quote:
Billy:
Is that a fact that the manufactuers of the mini DVD Ram and the cameras
that used it are longer embracing that media? I am surprised to hear
that after all the fanfare about how everyone was going to be using it.

Man, changes are happening fast these days. It's more important than
ever to keep an eye towards the future at all times or your purchase
could be obsolete before you blink....

John Coffey C.A.S.
http://www.coffeysound.com
Glen Trew
Posted: Sat May 08, 2004 10:57 pm
Guest
While we're being fair and balanced, I'll point out again that the Fostex
PD-6 will soon have an internal hard drive for safety/redundancy and an
external docking drive, presumably a DVD-multiformat drive. Also, 8cm
DVD-RAM disks are in plentiful supply by a number of different
manufacturers. Lastly, while keeping an eye to the future is certainly
important, lets not discount the reality of the present, and for those who
need to buy a machine now, the Nagra V, Fostex PD-6, Aaton Cantar, and HHB
PortaDisk are the only choices available.

Glen Trew

"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message
news:Oyinc.27471$L8.8971@nwrdny02.gnilink.net...
Quote:
Sorry all, If I were a Fox News reporter I'd be packing my bags. There
still is a Panasonic 8cm DVD/RAM camcorder in production as of Jan 2004.
I
tried to verify if the actual drives are still being produced but no luck
so
far (which does not mean that they aren't being produced).
Billy


"John Coffey" <coffeyman@webtv.net> wrote in message
news:16262-409D8F79-70@storefull-3138.bay.webtv.net...
Billy:
Is that a fact that the manufactuers of the mini DVD Ram and the cameras
that used it are longer embracing that media? I am surprised to hear
that after all the fanfare about how everyone was going to be using it.

Man, changes are happening fast these days. It's more important than
ever to keep an eye towards the future at all times or your purchase
could be obsolete before you blink....

John Coffey C.A.S.
http://www.coffeysound.com


 
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