Courtney,

For the first round, I sent the disk with the directories as they
would come off the 7 series boxes. Our CF and internal hard drives use
the same directory structure.

It would be interesting to know if the stand-alone burners for CF would
copy the directory structure from the CF or just dump everything to the
root. It would _seem_ logical that would be the eaisest thing for them
to do...but as we know reality can vary wildly...

No one that I know of makes a 640mb CF but a 512 would fill most of a
CD. With cost of CD-r's so low, it might make more sense to do one dump
per disc rather than complicate things for the DV-40.

Glenn,
Will we be able to use any firewire drive off the shelf or will Howy have to
write drivers for each unit?
Billy

The Deva will be compatible with most DVD drives. Kurt is correct that
most of these drives use the same Oxford chip. We will qualify drives
as the need comes up. The Lacie multi drive is the first one we have
worked with.

Well, here is some news from the European side using a HD recorder
with FW output, but most of these external housings where you put a
off-the-shelf-burner-in ( the best solution to keep updated for a low
price imo ) do have some rather strange IDE > FW translation chips in
it. Ever heard of the Genesis ?
the problem is that it is difficult to find out what sort of chip is
in the empty housing you buy.

LAcie is using the Oxford, but Lacie does not sell a empty house where
you can put a new burner in. That's why i keep writing that everyone
should get an internal burner, than you can forget this hassle.


R





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You make an excellent point about the variety of bridge chips so it will
always be necessary to make a real world test.

And internal burners seem
like a great idea, so as to avoid powering and cabling issues, not to
mention saving space. But internal burners have a number of major
drawbacks. One, if the burner, which has effectively the only moving
parts needed for recording (other than the drive spindle on non-solid
state media) goes down, then the whole record chain is unusable until
repairs can be made.

Perhaps if the recorder has an internal burner but can be used with
alternative outboard equipment, you get the best of both worlds.

As to the LaCie housings, maybe eBay or someone has cheap LaCie drives
which have 'old-fashioned' 20 or 40 gig capacity. It would take moments
to load a 80 gig drive (or bigger) into them.

I have a 40 G Lacie FW powered hd, but that is so slow ( it needs an
hour for 40 G over the FW output ) that it is nice for daily cantar
dumps, but that's it.

R

Is this a limitation of the drive? Or is that a limitation of the
outputting speed of the recorder? I understand that Deva II doesn't
mirror much faster to SCSI HD than to SCSI DVD-RAM, even though the HD
is potentionally much faster. Is this hour you mention taken in Cantar
output, or is it the same from that drive into your computer as well?

On Wed, 28 Apr 2004 17:58:55 -0500, Peter
pkurland@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote:


Is this a limitation of the drive? Or is that a limitation of the
outputting speed of the recorder? I understand that Deva II doesn't
mirror much faster to SCSI HD than to SCSI DVD-RAM, even though the HD
is potentionally much faster. Is this hour you mention taken in Cantar
output, or is it the same from that drive into your computer as well?


It is the same to the Win Xp running CPU's as well. When i saw how
slow this all was, i started to hang these FW drives to all computers
i have running at home and in my home studio, but everywhere it is
slow.

CAN WE PLEASE CHANGE THE SUBJECT LINE OF THIS THREAD ALREADY?

YES, I'M YELLING.

The Deva time code continues to run with power off and picks up at the
correct time when power is switched on.

It seems quite odd to me that keeping time code accurate with the
power off is so important to Roberto yet his favorite recorder the
Cantar does not have this capability at all. When power is off time
code is lost.

Please continue to hold the Deva to a higher standard. The Deva II set
the standard and the Deva IV and V are about to push the limit.
Deliveries begin in MAY.

Please excuse my ignorance, but I don't know what 7 series boxes use, so
can you explain further what that directory structure is? Subfolders?
Filenames of what length? what filename extension? etc. What format FAT16,
FAT32, etc.

It would be interesting to know if the stand-alone burners for CF would
copy the directory structure from the CF or just dump everything to the
root. It would _seem_ logical that would be the eaisest thing for them
to do...but as we know reality can vary wildly...


The ones I looked at (and read the manuals for) Each Created a new uniquely
named Folder for each Flash Card copied, then copied the flash cards
contents to that folder (including any subfolders). They do this because
these stand-alone CF copiers were designed for use with digital cameras, and
most digital cameras always create a folder with a common name in the root
in which they store your pictures. If you copied several CF cards to 1 CD-R
(as a photagrapher might) that would create illegal duplicate folder names
in the root directory. So their solution is create a new unique folder name
for each CF card copied and put that in the root. It uses Multi-session
protocol for burning several CF cards to a single disk.

No one that I know of makes a 640mb CF but a 512 would fill most of a
CD. With cost of CD-r's so low, it might make more sense to do one dump
per disc rather than complicate things for the DV-40.



Yeah, I am already buying up 512MB flash cards when they are on sale for
less than $90. The 1 Gig Cards are about $200.
and new firmware on the Alera CD-Burner will automatically span disks if it
fills up a 800MB CD-, burning the remaining files from a Larger CF card to
the next disk. See: FAQ on Digital photo-copy Cruiser at
http://www.aleratech.com/.

snip
I will try to drop Masaki a note and ask him if the DV40 is capable of
finding files in non-standard folders. His response on our folders
seemed to indicated that our structure was no problem.

Just checked it, and indeed it was as i thought, it is a Cantar user
option to dump it at once, or to dump it in more sessions, 3, or 30 of
you like.

Rob?rto <Immer@Olijk.com> wrote in message news:

Just checked it, and indeed it was as i thought, it is a Cantar user
option to dump it at once, or to dump it in more sessions, 3, or 30 of
you like.

But each session must be on a separate disc, which makes things clunky
and confusing for post. Not the end of the world, and not really that
different from 1/4" short ends, but nonetheless I think it is better
and more efficient to mirror to _one_ disc throughout the day rather
than have to burn several individual ones (and tie up the machine
while doing it).

By the way, another neat stand-alone CD-Burner is the RoadStor from
Micro-Solutions http://www.roadstor.com/.
It is battery powered and also plays back DVD's.