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William Sarokin
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:23 am
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"Rob?rto" <Immer@Olijk.com> wrote in message
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Quote:
On Sat, 10 Apr 2004 22:29:47 GMT, "William Sarokin"
bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote:


XP includes a DVD/RAM driver. My XP recognizes my Panasonic LF-D201
drive
and will read and write to it. The one caveat is that it won't recognize
Deva 2, FAT 16 disks. I had to load an older version of 'Write DVD'
inorder
to read my Deav DVD's with an XP PC.

Not here. I have a Panasonic DVD RAM -R RW and a LG DVD RAM -/+ R RW
and both needed a DVD RAM driver from the installation CD ROM.
System is XP pro, all packs and updates.


I'll never figure out the mysteries of XP. When I installed my DVD/RAM
drive, XP created 2 drives in the PC. One is a read only and the other a
read/write. As I said though, I needed an external driver (and an older one
at that) to be able to read Fat 16 DVD's. I'm curious if XP 'saw' your
drives at all without the external drivers? And also, can you read/write
Fat 16? (Does it give you the option to format as Fat 16)? Fat 16 will
soon be a moot point but it would be nice to maintain backward compatiblity
if an older disk shows up.
Billy
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 9:54 am
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"William Sarokin" <bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote in message
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Quote:


I'll never figure out the mysteries of XP. When I installed my DVD/RAM
drive, XP created 2 drives in the PC. One is a read only and the other a
read/write. As I said though, I needed an external driver (and an older
one
at that) to be able to read Fat 16 DVD's. I'm curious if XP 'saw' your
drives at all without the external drivers? And also, can you read/write
Fat 16? (Does it give you the option to format as Fat 16)? Fat 16 will
soon be a moot point but it would be nice to maintain backward
compatiblity
if an older disk shows up.
Billy



Unrecognized or improperly recognized hardware on an XP system is generally
the result of either motherboard incompatibilites or lack of or improper
driver support from the hardware manufacturer. Many early revision
motherboard designs can cause these sorts of issues, and with the lack of
mainstream popularity of DVD/RAM hardware I'm not surprised that properly
implemented drivers from these manufactures are far and few between. I would
urge everyone to contact your PC Manufacturer or motherboard maker and be
sure you have the latest bios and firmware revisions for your motherboard
and other hardware devices. If you are using onboard (built on the
motherboard) firewire ports, try disabling them at bootup in the bios and
give a newer PCI firewire card a shot. XP's specs have pretty much been set
in stone for many years now. I'm fairly certain it's not the OS actually
causing these issues but is instead the result of poor hardware
implementation and support for XP from the hardware manufacturer.

Charles Tomaras
Seattle, WA
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 11:28 am
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"vinod subramanian" <vinod@soundtrane.com> wrote in message
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Well the cantar also did not have that in the beginning, only after
requests from customers this came in the software-updates.
So, don;t be surprised if next month the next firmware will have this
option. ( to late, i know )

hey,that's heartening to know more than one machine does/did not have
this facility. ;)


You can buy dvd ram readers here for 70 Euro, i would defenitly get
one of these if you use a PD6.

well, if it is only 70 euro, i am definitely getting one.

About the USB2 for data, i'm not that into the specs, but i know that
USB is far more power & CPU hungry then FW.
But USB is also giving me much less problems then FW, thats true.

i'm not so sure about the characteristics of the USB -vs- 1394. It
just seemed like another option that is common enough.

Both USB and Firewire have their own dedicated controller chips so I don't
think it's a CPU issue. USB2.0 = 480mbps transfer rate, Firewire 400 =
400mbps transfer rate. I can't imagine they would use the older and much
much slower USB 1.X implementation on any recorders.
vinod subramanian
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 12:47 pm
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Quote:
Yep, here in Holland you find the Panasonic/Mashita DVD RAM SW-9581 in
the sale for 70 euro ex vat. These recorders are dumped, so if you
want me to send you one, just mention it.
i think UPS will be almost more expensive than the actual burner
itself :-)


thanks a lot my friend. i think i should buy one while i am in London.


Quote:
Is the PD6 yours ?

no, it belongs to a friend of mine who is a rental guy.

-vin
Rob€rto
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:14 pm
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 10:28:58 -0700, "Charles Tomaras"
<tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:

Quote:
Both USB and Firewire have their own dedicated controller chips so I don't
think it's a CPU issue. USB2.0 = 480mbps transfer rate, Firewire 400 =
400mbps transfer rate. I can't imagine they would use the older and much
much slower USB 1.X implementation on any recorders.

Well, all the data transfers i do here, with Lacie, Maxtor and
external housing containing a burner never make these figures on FW
use. The highest i get is 10 mbps max.
USB2 does make the high rate, since USB does not use a translation
Chip like the Oxford.

But USB is a complete other protocol then FW, that's for sure.


R





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Rob€rto
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 1:17 pm
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 08:54:37 -0700, "Charles Tomaras"
<tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:

Quote:
Unrecognized or improperly recognized hardware on an XP system is generally
the result of either motherboard incompatibilites or lack of or improper
driver support from the hardware manufacturer


Hmm, Xp was famous for it's lack of USB support in the beginning, and
that has changed over the years.
But the fact that you need to install a driver is something very
normal, with almost every OS.

R





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Rob€rto
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 2:25 pm
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On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 15:23:45 GMT, "William Sarokin"
<bigmaho@verizon.net> wrote:

Quote:
I'll never figure out the mysteries of XP. When I installed my DVD/RAM
drive, XP created 2 drives in the PC. One is a read only and the other a
read/write. As I said though, I needed an external driver (and an older one
at that) to be able to read Fat 16 DVD's. I'm curious if XP 'saw' your
drives at all without the external drivers?

Not sure about that. i do know that XP asked me to put in a driver CD
when i installed the birner/reader.

Quote:
And also, can you read/write
Fat 16? (Does it give you the option to format as Fat 16)?

I do my FAT formatting ( Cantar is FAT32 ) with Partition Magic.
FAT16 is not someting i use, so i can't tell you how that is doing
here. ( isn;t the deva 2 yet upgraded to F32 ? )

Quote:
Fat 16 will
soon be a moot point but it would be nice to maintain backward compatiblity
if an older disk shows up.

FAT16 will do good on win 98 Se i'll guess..

R







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Peter
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 3:08 pm
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Mac OSX reads FAT16. FAT32 and UDF DVD-RAM directly from the OS. I use
an off-the-shelf IDE internal drive in a Firewire/USB 1/2 enclosure with
no problems.
P

In article <c96j701p8s6udsoeccqipf92s0vblpa18h@4ax.com>,
Rob?rto <Immer@Olijk.com> wrote:

Quote:
Hmm, Xp was famous for it's lack of USB support in the beginning, and
that has changed over the years.
But the fact that you need to install a driver is something very
normal, with almost every OS.

R
Http://www.xs4all.nl/~tuig/index.html
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 5:53 pm
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"Peter" <pkurland@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Mac OSX reads FAT16. FAT32 and UDF DVD-RAM directly from the OS. I use
an off-the-shelf IDE internal drive in a Firewire/USB 1/2 enclosure with
no problems.
P

Peter..any idea why there still is no way to read an NTFS disc on the Mac?
It sure would simplify cross platform life because of the limitations of FAT
32. I had kind of hoped that OSX would be able to read NTFS.
Peter
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:29 pm
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Actually, check https://sourceforge.net/projects/ntfsosx/
There is a third party utility for reading NTFS volumes in OSX. I
haven't tried it personally. I think you can also access NTFS formatted
data with the Windows network implementation in OSX, but I haven't had
occasion to use it. I do network frequently with XP.
Peter


In article <85GdnYImoK7pR-TdRVn-sA@comcast.com>,
"Charles Tomaras" <tomaras@tomaras.com> wrote:

Quote:
"Peter" <pkurland@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mac OSX reads FAT16. FAT32 and UDF DVD-RAM directly from the OS. I use
an off-the-shelf IDE internal drive in a Firewire/USB 1/2 enclosure with
no problems.
P

Peter..any idea why there still is no way to read an NTFS disc on the Mac?
It sure would simplify cross platform life because of the limitations of FAT
32. I had kind of hoped that OSX would be able to read NTFS.

Philip Perkins
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:45 pm
Guest
I agree that a recorder made for location work should be able to "play
out" its recordings as a tape deck would--there are going to be times
where that is necessary, especially in these early days. I was
looking at the Fostex FR2 and found the same thing--to play back
recordings you have to open each file individually and play it back
seperately.
This sucks and should be changed ASAP. I hear that the Cantar can do
a play out--I assume a Deva can too? HHB?

Philip Perkins
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 6:47 pm
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"Peter" <pkurland@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Quote:
Actually, check https://sourceforge.net/projects/ntfsosx/
There is a third party utility for reading NTFS volumes in OSX. I
haven't tried it personally. I think you can also access NTFS formatted
data with the Windows network implementation in OSX, but I haven't had
occasion to use it. I do network frequently with XP.
Peter

Thanks Peter. I'll keep it bookmarked and check back in a while when it's a
little closer to reality. I've had a few occasions in the last few months to
transfer large multitrack audio files from my Windows box to a friends Mac
based Pro-tools machine and have had to reformat an external drive to FAT 32
to do the transfer with all of the inherent contiguous file size
limitations.
William Sarokin
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 7:10 pm
Guest
"Rob?rto" <Immer@Olijk.com> wrote in message> I do my FAT formatting (
Cantar is FAT32 ) with Partition Magic.
Quote:
FAT16 is not someting i use, so i can't tell you how that is doing
here. ( isn;t the deva 2 yet upgraded to F32 ? )

Zaxcom wrote Fat 32 code a while ago, but I don't think anyone made the
change. I can't remember the exact issue, but Howy at Zaxcom recommended
that we stay with Fat 16 until the next generation machines came out.
Billy
Kurt Albershardt
Posted: Sun Apr 11, 2004 8:04 pm
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Charles Tomaras wrote:
Quote:
"Peter" <pkurland@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote in message
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Mac OSX reads FAT16. FAT32 and UDF DVD-RAM directly from the OS. I use
an off-the-shelf IDE internal drive in a Firewire/USB 1/2 enclosure with
no problems.


Peter..any idea why there still is no way to read an NTFS disc on the Mac?
It sure would simplify cross platform life because of the limitations of FAT
32. I had kind of hoped that OSX would be able to read NTFS.

2.4.x linux kernels can mount NTFS partitions in read-only mode. Read-write support is part of 2.6 so I don't think it should take too long for someone to manage an OS X port.
Rob€rto
Posted: Mon Apr 12, 2004 5:03 am
Guest
On Sun, 11 Apr 2004 16:08:33 -0500, Peter
<pkurland@REMOVEearthlink.net> wrote:

Quote:
Mac OSX reads FAT16. FAT32 and UDF DVD-RAM directly from the OS. I use
an off-the-shelf IDE internal drive in a Firewire/USB 1/2 enclosure with
no problems.
P

Okay, so i write next time, you need drivers on almost all OS'es,
except the Well known & widely spread Mac OSX :-)

But i wonder, how fast are your Data rates with these FW bridged
ext.boxes in combination with HD's ?
Over here both LAcie & Maxtor ext fw HD's are utterly slow compared to
USB2, or IDE.


R









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