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Chris Smith
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:34 am
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Tell me, are other technical arenas as fraught with bullshit as ours?
<a href="http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2">look</a>
Stiletto2
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 4:24 am
Guest
Holy crap, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.
Ray Collins
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:35 am
Guest
I guess Beech trees are rare. I'm absoluteluy sure there are not many
of those knobs in existance so I guess they are rare as well.

Reminds me of a post guy, who was riding an EQ til he just got it
"right". Spent a half hour just gettig it "right" Just when he had it
"right" he noticed the EQ was not punched in. Wink We sometimes hear
what we want to hear.

I'd bet Tung oil would sound far better than that lacquer. :-)

Chris Smith wrote:
Quote:
Tell me, are other technical arenas as fraught with bullshit as ours?
a href="http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2">look</a
Brian Simmons
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 8:54 am
Guest
Can't be for real,surely!This has gotta be an April first posting!

BS
Charles Tomaras
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 10:55 am
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"Chris Smith" <audiovideo@aggressive.com> wrote in message
news:fb858fd2.0404032234.55744ff7@posting.google.com...
Quote:
Tell me, are other technical arenas as fraught with bullshit as ours?
a
href="http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2">look</a

I haven't paid that much for knob in years.
Andy Hambleton
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:00 pm
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stiletto2@aol.com (Stiletto2) wrote in message news:<20040404062408.03164.00000448@mb-m27.aol.com>...
Quote:
Holy crap, that's the most ridiculous thing I've ever seen.

Yeah, what a crock! Everyone knows that MAPLE knobs sound better than
beech. And that business about C-37 lacquer is just laughable in the
face of the proven acoustic properties of polyurethane when properly
applied to exterior control surfaces.

Andy
yak
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 12:35 pm
Guest
Just another case of audiophile knob-polishing.

In article <40701cee$1_1@dowco.com>,
Ray Collins <rcol@intergate.bc.ca*remove> wrote:

Quote:
I guess Beech trees are rare. I'm absoluteluy sure there are not many
of those knobs in existance so I guess they are rare as well.

Reminds me of a post guy, who was riding an EQ til he just got it
"right". Spent a half hour just gettig it "right" Just when he had it
"right" he noticed the EQ was not punched in. Wink We sometimes hear
what we want to hear.

I'd bet Tung oil would sound far better than that lacquer. :-)

Chris Smith wrote:
Tell me, are other technical arenas as fraught with bullshit as ours?
a
href="http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&P
roduct_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2">look</a
G. John Garrett, CAS
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 1:14 pm
Guest
Chris Smith wrote:

Quote:
Tell me, are other technical arenas as fraught with bullshit as ours?
a href="http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Product_Code=NOB_C37_C&Category_Code=VOLUME&Product_Count=2">look</a

If you think that makes your stereo sound better you should definitely try the
low-mass LED lamp replacements. The low mass decouples the emitter from the
circuit board thus reducing acoustic feedback to the circuit board by over 20dB,
plus if you're replacing tungsten pilot or indicator lamps, the filament
resonances are completely gone! The resulting decrease in intermodulation
distortion is stunning, not to mention the 60Hz [50Hz in Europe] component
reintroduced from the AC powered pilot lamp back to critical audio components on
the chassis.

Don't all y'all get in line at once, there's plenty for just about everyone, but
when we run out the back order situation isn't too bad.....

:-p
John
Brad Harper
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:36 pm
Guest
Well, I hate to open myself up to criticism, but I have to chime in here.



Over the last couple of years I have become a bit of an audiophile in the
headphone realm. There is a group called http://www.head-fi.org/ and this
stuff is addictive as hell. I would recommend that you stay clear of the
site because before you know it you will have dropped $3000.00 on a
headphone rig with a wish list of another $2500.00 and you will no longer be
able to listen to 95% of the crap you used to call music. I have progressed
through several different headphone amplifiers and rolled many different
op-amps and tubes trough all of them hunting for that perfect balance.



My current main rig is a Meridian 588 cd player with a Virtual Dynamics
Power 1 power cable. This feeds a German made Audio Valve RKV MK2 tube
amplifier via Virtual Dynamic Reference interconnects. Finally, the
headphones are Sennheiser HD650s with a ZU Mobius headphone cable. I could
have bought some nice new radio mics for what I have in this system, but it
is absolutely worth every penny to me.



I was never a believer in people being able to hear differences in
interconnect cables, much less power cables, but I believe it now. I was
able to balance the sound of the components in this system by trying
different cables until I found ones that I liked. Fortunately, most all
high-end cable manufactures allow for a trial period, so you can return them
after a couple of weeks if you don't like them.



As far as burning in cables, this does make a difference as well but only if
the cable is burned in and then allowed to stay in the same position without
much movement. Over a period of 100+ hours of use you can really hear some
manufactures cables open up. The cables that we tend to use for production
(Canare and Mogami) have to be rolled up as well as connected and
disconnected many times a day so they are extremely flexible, thin cables
that do not really benefit that much from burn in. The cables that benefit
the most are heavy, solid conductor cables that are not to be moved around.
Yes, solid core. The power cables and interconnects in my system are very
heavy gauge, individually jacketed solid core cable. You bend them into
place, burn them in for a couple hundred hours, and leave them alone.



I know all this seems a bit fanatical, and it is. That's why I'm a sound
mixer.
Stiletto2
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 9:58 pm
Guest
Not to be an enabler, but have you seen the Orpheus Line from Sennheiser?
http://www.djmart.com/seorelcihe.html

Tom Curley
Jeff Wexler
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:01 pm
Guest
On 4/4/04 7:36 PM, in article Gu4cc.189682$po.1006134@attbi_s52, "Brad
Harper" <bradharper@comcast.net> wrote:

Quote:
Well, I hate to open myself up to criticism, but I have to chime in here.

snip

I was never a believer in people being able to hear differences in
interconnect cables, much less power cables, but I believe it now.

I feel like I have just sat in on a confessional.
I still have a hard time believing ANY of this stuff.

I remember in the early 70's buying a very expensive matched pair of
extremely esoteric loudspeakers from Jonas Miller (a high end audiophile
store no longer in business). I pulled up to the place in my van and the
salesperson while helping me load up noticed some cables on the floor and
remarked that they would probably be a terrific match for my new speakers.
He did feel that the choice of large alligator clips as connectors could be
problematical, but he did like the color coding to the obviously beefy
cable.

What he was looking at, of course, were battery jumper cables I had in my
van to help a friend jumpstart his car. I never did try them with the
speakers...

Regards, Jeff Wexler
Eric Pierce
Posted: Sun Apr 04, 2004 11:27 pm
Guest
You have a very sly wit, Brad ;')

Here's a great article on speaker wire:
http://home.earthlink.net/~rogerr7/wire.htm#thetruth

Eric



Brad Harper wrote:
Quote:
Well, I hate to open myself up to criticism, but I have to chime in here.



Over the last couple of years I have become a bit of an audiophile in the
headphone realm. There is a group called http://www.head-fi.org/ and this
stuff is addictive as hell. I would recommend that you stay clear of the
site because before you know it you will have dropped $3000.00 on a
headphone rig with a wish list of another $2500.00 and you will no longer be
able to listen to 95% of the crap you used to call music. I have progressed
through several different headphone amplifiers and rolled many different
op-amps and tubes trough all of them hunting for that perfect balance.



My current main rig is a Meridian 588 cd player with a Virtual Dynamics
Power 1 power cable. This feeds a German made Audio Valve RKV MK2 tube
amplifier via Virtual Dynamic Reference interconnects. Finally, the
headphones are Sennheiser HD650s with a ZU Mobius headphone cable. I could
have bought some nice new radio mics for what I have in this system, but it
is absolutely worth every penny to me.



I was never a believer in people being able to hear differences in
interconnect cables, much less power cables, but I believe it now. I was
able to balance the sound of the components in this system by trying
different cables until I found ones that I liked. Fortunately, most all
high-end cable manufactures allow for a trial period, so you can return them
after a couple of weeks if you don't like them.



As far as burning in cables, this does make a difference as well but only if
the cable is burned in and then allowed to stay in the same position without
much movement. Over a period of 100+ hours of use you can really hear some
manufactures cables open up. The cables that we tend to use for production
(Canare and Mogami) have to be rolled up as well as connected and
disconnected many times a day so they are extremely flexible, thin cables
that do not really benefit that much from burn in. The cables that benefit
the most are heavy, solid conductor cables that are not to be moved around.
Yes, solid core. The power cables and interconnects in my system are very
heavy gauge, individually jacketed solid core cable. You bend them into
place, burn them in for a couple hundred hours, and leave them alone.



I know all this seems a bit fanatical, and it is. That's why I'm a sound
mixer.

Bryan Beasleigh
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:14 am
Guest
Mark the cables as bidirectional and charge an extra 50%

On Sun, 04 Apr 2004 18:08:29 -0400, SEE-SIGFILE@rcn.com (Jay Rose CAS)
wrote:

Quote:
A friend of mine does speaker design and research (he's behind the
acoustic lens concept on the new B&O DSP-driven speakers), and had a dozen
heavy gauge cables made up with spade lugs for an a/b/x speaker test. Test
was over, he looked at these nearly-new cables and decided to put them in
poly bags and sell them through the local high-end stereo dealer.

Dealer said "we can take them, but you'll have to open all the bags first
and apply some white shrink tubing to one end."

"Why?"

"So you can write an arrow on each cable, to indicate which direction the
signal should flow."


Alternating current. Two-conductor wire, no telescoping shield. But the
dealer's customers were convinced it made a difference which end was
hooked up to the amplifier.
vinod subramanian
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 12:55 am
Guest
what the &^(*& is that about!!??

-vin
vinod subramanian
Posted: Mon Apr 05, 2004 1:33 am
Guest
Weight:
60Kg

Crossover:
2-way at 250Hz, in external box, bi-wiring and bi-amping allowed.
Point to point wiring with 99.99% silver solid-core wire.

Price:
$19,500 USD

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http://www.referenceaudiomods.com/images/products/mantrasound/dulcet/xover_inside_l.jpg

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and this looks tremendously impressive. how much do replacement
cable-ties cost ? $150 a pair?
 
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